Newbie needs advice
 

Hi everyone, I'm planning to buy this gun: TM Berreta M92F Chrome

I think it is an awesome gun and should serve me very well. Here is where I need advice:

According to Redwolf and other sites, it's rated for HFC134a gas, but I'd like to use Green Gas for more power, so i'm planning to upgrade with a Zeke metal frame and slide, but I can only find them in WGC.

This is what I got my eye on: Zeke metal slide and frame kit, Chrome

I'd like to know if it would be too risky ordering the kit? And considering I want more power and accuracy, what other upgrades would you guys suggest? Thanks.

I dunno about the gunsmithing part, but you could order both the kit and the gun from SpecArms during one of their monthly group orders to RedWolf. Will can bring in both guns and other restricted items, so you'd only have to order once.

Now I feel bad for directing business away from Randy. :(

Check out the FAQ's. You will find out that you risk the chance of seizure, and most liked it would. That includes the metal slide and the gun. check out the FAQ.

other then that, you have a good plan.

kinda the wrong section for this BTW... I've heard of Zeke slides cracking with Green Gas, FYI.

Yeah, there's like a replica all by itself. Customs doesn't care about valves and shit. So you need to get that from a local retailer, too.

Honestly though, MY advice would be maybe trying to find a stock metal Beretta (like KJW) that can run on green right out of the box. Or at least a different slide (ie not the Zeke one).

Actually my main concern was regarding ordering parts from outside Canada, sorry for not being clear. So should I just inquire with local retail shops? or would ordering online on WGC or Redwolf be safe enough?

Yeah, don't try to order a slide or frame as it will most likely get snagged by customs. Inquire through Canadian retailers.

Um ordering a metal slide by your self wouldn't be safe. I guess you can wait for a order organized by a ASC member and then ask them.

Okay thanks. Well what about other parts? Like springs? Valves? Barrels? etc.

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You might really be better off ordering a metal Beretta, mate. :| It might be cheaper. Both WA and HFC make full metal Berettas, quite good ones too if the reviews are to be believed. http://64.124.25.51/hfcm9.htm http://64.124.25.51/m9od.htm

Why not just get a KJW Beretta Siver version like Drake suggested? It won't have authentic Beretta trades but it's a solid full metal gun that will take green gas and propane out of the box. You'll save a lot of money too. Just add Hogue grips to it and you have a silver metal M9 that loves propane, kicks like a horse and looks like a million bucks :)

http://www.007airsoft.com/products/p...ages/20075.jpg

Thanks alot for all the suggestions and advice guys. I'll certainly look into the full metal versions, and definitely will not order those parts online.

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Best suggestion for you, for anything, is to order from a Canadian Retailer. No matter what you want, that's the safest bet.

And by far the cheaper option is to buy a gun that is already rated to do what you want instead of building one up.

A friend has the silver Beretta and I've fired it many times. It is a sweet gun and can take a beating. It's powerful, kicks hard, looks pimp, has realistic weight and is an all round awsome gun for gaming, plinking and siting infront of the TV reloading over and over with.

Don't waste your time with that TM pastic crap and spending oodles to upgrade it with an iffy kit, get it all at once with the KJW. If trades are what you want, they even make a version with trades but it costs like 1/3 and I don't know if it comes in silver. Personally, it hella ain't worth it spending what will end up being 50-100 bucks on some bloody numbers and a couple words. Metal is what counts for me.

Well I'm tryin to get a gun that is as accurate to the real steel as possible, and has enough power to actually shoot holes through cans while plinking. The KJW is a good contender, but how is its upgradeability? Is it easy to find high flow valves and springs for them? And are there grips with the berreta logo on them to replace the KJ ones?

If you want a gun for plinking, airsoft is NOT for you. I think you have the wrong idea about what they are capable of doing.

If you want to shoot accurately and punch holes in cans, you need an air pistol. If you want an airsoft gun to do those things, expect to lay out a LOT of cash.

I have looked into air pistols, but the thing is I still want to play little wargames with my buddies, and air pistols could literally kill, so for now I'm just looking for plinking until some of my buddies get their weapons as well. The holes through cans bit was just cause I saw a review at redwolf that said it could be possible with minimal upgrades. The thing is that last year I bought an EBB desert eagle cause I was pretty strapped for cash, but I really wanted to do some indoor target practice without running the risk of dammaging anything. This year its time to go for more power!

Actually that's one thing I love about plinking with airsoft; I put a plastic bottle on a a pole and i can shoot at that thing for half an hour before i need to replace it. More shooting, less, lining cans up! woo! Err, i mean, Yee-Haw.

You still thinking in the expensive 'don't get what you pay for' world of TM. The KJ comes with all the upgrades you want and the mags are better and do not leak at all, ever. Like I said, try and find one of the KJ's with trades or put other grips on it to cover KJ trades.

I'm confused between the M9 Full Metal and the M9 1A Full Metal though, is one more powerful than the other? Is one a better skirmisher than the other? Is it just the look? Upgradability?

You dont get it do you?
Airsoft guns are NOT accurate.
If you want one to punch holes in cans, the upgrades will be expensive. Like, in the hundreds of dollars extra.
If you then want to play against folks with that gun, you put them at risk of injuries (want to shoot someone with a gun that goes through cans???).
Is there a reason why you want to risk hurting people?
Did you read through the Information section yet?
Have you gone to a local game to see what folks use?

Its just a different model gun, thats all. One is the G.I. one is the Elite. Just look at the two guns beside each other and you'll see differences, most noteably and the only one that really stands out; is along the barrel there is a round kind of rise in the slide frame.


But Greylocks is right, you're looking for the wrong thing here. Because an airgun can punch holes in cans is because of two things; 1. The power behind the projectile 2. The weight of the round because its metal. If you were to stick a plastic BB ((if you could find one in .177 cal.)) in an airgun with it weighing .20g chances are that the round will still not penitrate the can. A cylinder is one of the strongest shapes (ever wonder why light houses are built like cylinders, its because when an on coming wave crashes against it, the weight of the blow is tranfered evenly around the structure, dissappating((sp?)) the brunt of the blow)), so you need to have a good punch to actually put a hole in the can.

Airsoft is designed for one thing and one thing only, war game simulation. They were not designed to punch holes in cans, or were they designed to most acurately recreate the gun they look like. But, people do use them to "plink" things as for target practice and such. If you want to put holes in something, get a peice of stryofoam from your local Home Depo ((go for the blue insulant stuff)) and staple it to the wall in your basement, and staple a paper target sheet on it. Once you do this, your EBB will even put holes in it. And the Foam should let the round stick in, or just fall to the floor.


Hey Greylocks, this is part of the reason I got out of competitive airgun shooting. Now its all about how much money you can spend on your gun. It used to be simple. Weight, Barrel Length, and Caliber. Now its... tightbores, and speed cockers, and jimmijawhozits... people seem to have been awed by this "upgrade" ability so much that they forget what they're playing with.

I understand. Personally I find few things more accurate than a really good air pistol. And by good, I mean far FAR better than Canadian Tire offerings.

Hey now... not all the stuff C.T. sells is bad... I bought my Walter P99 Nighthawk about 5 years ago, its pretty god damned accurate. And I bought it LONG before C.T. started selling them... :P..

-.- god I am so upset that my favorite airpistol is now with the likes of... C.T!... :(

By good I mean guns that shoot in the same hole at 25 yards, consistently.

Did C.T. take off their "soft air" line up? They don't appear on the website any longer, and I don't regularly vist C.T. unless i need a lightbulb or a hammer.

Yeah, they're cutting back on their soft air side of things. Too many kids using them to get in trouble. And now with them using pellet guns too, who knows what that will mean for C.T. being the once great place to get your young ones a god damn daisy...


Its sickening, it really REALLY is. You wait all your damn summers to finally get your FAC, and now you have to fight to keep your guns. And its just more and more shit being shovelled in your face. What happened? Thats what I want to know. What happened to the good ol' days of fathers being able to trust a kid with an airgun and the most he'd ever kill is a squirell!

Well, clearly the issue is violence in movies and video games!

Or gangs. I think its gangs.

*ponders*

Must be.

Alright... let's say it is the violence in games and movies, we'd better go back in time to undo all the mental damage that was done to kids by old westerns. Maybe we should outlaw cowboys and indians, or cops and robbers! There was just as much violence back then as there is now, only now its in colour! And with new super cool toys out there that have lables 18+ on them.... hmmm... yeah... must be the gangs... -.-

Violence is human nature, you can take away our guns, knives, waterguns, nerf guns. but the next day the kids would be fighting with sticks. its just what we do.