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My TM MP5 has been through hell with me. Ranging from bearing my wieght when I tripped & fell and landed face first on concrete, broke my fall with my MP5, not a scratch and worked like nothing happened. Been dropped, bounced off trees, hung up on crap while running, never missed a beat and fired no matter what.

well a full metal AEG would be best, but even guns like armalites and MP5s/G3s could break around where the barrel meets the body if hit/dropped hard enough. Only really sturdy AEG i've ever seen has been the picture guarder made to promote there AK47 full steel kit. They showed a guy balancing on top of one, now that's tough.

I happened to use An SRC M16 (full metal) that i bought off Grim Fandango at Wasaga. I am Big, tall and through my body around. The gun took quite a pounding, even used it as a walking stick(very briefly) while traversing a rather steep incline. The gun came out in a lot better shape than me(been on the sidelines for a while).At the price i paid (375 if i remember right) this would be a decent gun for a first time AEG.

I'm about 280lbs and fell on my ICS MP5 (and I mean fell) while running through the bush half a sleep and didnt notice a log that my feet became intimate with, got back up and proceeded to shoot with it and have had no issues since.

The Systema M16A3 has to be the most solid and best built gun out there. Hell, it's meant to be an exact copy of the real steel and it is by far the most durable in rigidity and design of anything I've come across.

Electronics issues notwithstanding, if you want the good stuff, spend a couple thousand on the gun and a thousand more on mags and you're set.

I think the G36 is a fairly good candidate, especially the C since it's got such a short barrel assembly in proportion to how much is recessed into the body of the gun. Relatively soft and loose hand guard means more play and elasticity to absorb impacts against that part. The stock's just one solid piece of polymer with little to nothing to shatter or break (especially CA's, the catch mechanism is essentially all metal). No frakking body tabs like on Armalites, either.

Had to say that with the wife looking over my shoulder didn't you?

Edit: I too use a TM G36c and concur with the Saint.

Bah TM G36C stocks are weak they will crack/snap if you drop it or bash it into a tree.

The Sig552 is fairly durable once the plastic body is replaced, instead of the stock snapping all the energy from the impact is transfered to the body causing it to crack.

Uh? Search?

In all seriousness, there are probably an astounding number of opinions. With the SRCs, if you break it to bits, you won't cry nearly as hard.

Can't believe nobody's mentioned the P90. It's probably the most solid gun I've ever used, just because it's so centralized. There are no weak points. Carl dropped his out of a tree, and the only thing that broke was the scope mount, but that's because he had modified the whole thing anyway.

I beat people with the CA MP5. It works well.

Your best choice would probably be a non-TM hunk of plastic and a non-protruding barrel such as the armalites.

I'm sure I've read posts of you dragging new peoples' posts through the dirt for asking about AEG durability. Or mabey not. May have been you who said they are nothing compared to a real gun though. Which is hella true. I don't think there are any airsoft guns that can take the beating of a real one. Too many fragile internal componets. Gas guns would probably be your best for type or gun. On the lighter side.

The AK47 Spetz.

I second that :P

The (plastic) iron sights on the P90 are prone to breakage. Can't comment on the TR version though. I've seen AK's take a ton of beating.

i would say the g36 for its compact and sturdy body. the lack of snap points. sigs are agood choice the have a robust structure.

The full metal CA M15A4 has been my trusty weapon. Haven't dropped it, but certainly been with me through my lil trip in the forest making my own trail.

have to agree with Harley about the P90..For a plastic gun

in the past year I've
-landed on my p90 from a drop of about 5 ft into a trench (FR hill 3322 trench). During that fall it also was smashed quite hard into the wood posts of the trench.

-Dropped in onto a concrete floor and watched it bounce not once but twice (the butt plate popped off on the second bounce but was not damaged and was quickly put back into place).

-Smashed it into numerous buildings/structures at FR/DOps/SgtSplatters/renegades/PBnation in the past 12 months

-played with it in a thunderstorm where every component went from dry to soaking wet (Including me) and was still fully operational.

only issue I've had was a BB getting stuck next to the nozzle one time killing my FPS ...(Banged the side of gun several times to release said BB)

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So he likes the chunky stuff eh? M249 Maybe?

G36c, solid backbone and the stalk will not crack if it bumps into a tree...mine has bumped from the car roof to the road on several occassions only to suffer a little grazing TM's G36c is a no wiggle, no shack simple but tough replica of the real deal which, by the way, is considered the same in the real life application of this weapon...nuff said!

TM AK-47 all the way...ran into trees, walls,etc,etc.
Worth every single penny of my investment to install a CA metal body and a Guarder wood kit on it. Still my 'go to' gun after two years and fried over 20 thousand rounds of BBs later.

Guarder AK steel kits! I have one AKS-74 and I'm positive that If I fell on it I would hurt myself and the AK would be fine. Yes its expensive but its STEEL!! Somethings are worth the extra dough.

obiously, full metal is the way to go.
as usual, Ill recommend the ICS AK74m

not full metal, G36

RK-104
 

I have yet to do a review on my new RK104 from G&G. It will be forthcoming.

As anyone who was at the Wasaga season opener can attest, I am a pretty hard driver, and that day was my first day out with the RK.

I don't buy guns to resell. I consider them tools and treat them as such, with high expectations. I don't coddle them, and scratches are abundant on all my gear.

A partial list of what I did to it follows:

- I fell on it from kneeling
- I jammed the barrel in the dirt several times
- I smacked the foregrip/barrel off a tree as I was crawling with it cradled in my arms
- I dropped it from waist hight onto a concrete floor. Landed flat on it's left side.
- I rolled on it when I fell on approach to cover.
- I went through 1800 rounds total that day, 99% all of it on full auto.
- It got rained on fairly well at the end of the day

I weigh 240. If I didn't break it during that day, it aint gonna break.

Shoots 320 out of the box with 8.4V battery.

Anderson and Anderson has em in stock I believe for $535 plus shipping and tax.

Weakness in the ICS or any MP5 ver2 mechbox related design is that the fore-assembly (i.e. cocking tube forward) can break off relatively easily in the right circumstances at the arms that join the front end to the upper receiver. Both Vee and I have suffered this on our ICS bodies and I had to hunt down replacements from butcher sales.

Almost anything Classic Army is a great choice. The local indoor arena, Xtreme Tactics, rents out M15A4s and MP5A2s and have been running the same guns for over two years. Low serial numbers, EARLY models. They take more abuse in one week than most people put on their gun in a year. Sure stuff's broken on them like stocks and triggers, internals wear out, but all of them are using the same receivers they started with.

It's little surprise that my entire current arsenal, save my gas weapons, are ALL Classic Army. 8)

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Try the G&P M4. Good gun. And Greylocks, use the search button :lol: j/k

sorry, had to say it

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It'd be kinda hard to assemble and standardize such data (hitting a small tree is equal to falling on how many rocks?). I think the best way would be to use the AEGs as lightsabers against each other and see which one survives. :rolleyes:

Thompson M1a1.

CA33E really solid rifle (not like the TMg3sg1), CA g36K build really tought!

Doesn't that have alot of problems with the front half breaking straight off on first fall?

I suggest the CA M15A4 CQB though - Holds a 3300 mah battery in the crane stock, and the thing is solid! With the metal body and full metal RAS...

Not sure how you could break that. Shorter barrel too, all a nice package.

EDIT - Sorry, post by Kid. Not sure how this account is logged on...

As it's been said, the AK47 is a pretty sturdy AEG, but what has not been said is that it's not as much just with the stock furniture...

The stock WILL break if too much pressure is applied on it where it screws into the body... (drop or fall on the AEG in an unfortunate position)

Now, with a metal body and wood kit, you just solved the problem and added a fair bit of weight, which many find quite a good trade-off.


With that said, mine still has the stock furniture and always survived the games, but I really take care of my AK when on the field. I try to take the falls rather than have the AK absorb them for me ;)

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Might still be a good idea to carry on with the discussion, there may be others who are interested in the answers beyond yourself...

my ics m4 has taken several sever beatings from me and with the exception of a broken hand gaurd still works fign.

G&G m14? it seems like it has "to hell and back" reliability... i could be wrong though...

Models, techniques or companies started to repeat themselves several posts ago. It's been covered.

Yes, but no one has really come to a true agreement.

It woujld be nice if it could be narrowed down to less than every AEG ever created.

This thread will never come to a unanimous decision. There are way too many guns to choose from.

Interesting topic without a definitive answer = Many, many, many opinions = Nothing accomplished

Well, obviously the less protrution the barrel has, the less likely it is to snap

The less exposed individual parts a gun has, the less likely you are to lose them

The less moving parts a gun has, the less likely they are to break

Wood > Metal > plastic , properly finished wood will show less wear than a metal body, and plastic will scratch on gear

The P90 wins due to a lack of protruding or moving parts. Just a charging handle and the mag release. The boby will scratch if abused, but a coat of paint will solve that easily enough. Due to its design, it would take serious effort to break it if you tried, so I think the likelyhood of that happening on the field would be minimal.

I have a teamate with a CA CQB, and we have swung the thing by the barrel, dropped it down a hill, played in snow and rain, shot it, and accidently backed over and and it still looks good. Great gun. The same cannot be said of CA M16 models, which will have the tabs that hold on the barrel cover snap if dropped too much. See that personally, after the guy said he could swing his by the barrel too :-D

As far as AKs are concerned, a TM with a Guarder wood kit and a CA reciever is perfect. At OP: IJ I had the pleasure to talk with a Soviet collector with each of TMs AK models with wood kits and metal recievers (I think the spetz came with one though). Had em for 2-3 years of heavy abuse and they still looked gorgeous, with no body flex or rattle. Very solid, very nice.

Thats what I've seen of the models available. I've yet to see a M16 or variant without some issue or another, so I really don't know of a winner in that department.

Personally, I can't tell you what gun's the toughest, but I can assure you that the TM G36s are not all that strong. I've seen so many of those things in halfs, and people walk off the field with the body in two and inner barrel in hand.

Read this http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=30 or buy a real gun all aegs will break and all are weak when your smashing them on trees and running through swamps remember they are toys and airsoft is a game.

Real mature of you. Now I think I agree with Greylocks' comment about you being 15.

At least have your answer be more wise if you're trying to dis-credit someone.

And if you read properly, we are looking for a TOUGH AEG, not an invincible gun that would cut through trees. And real guns break too if you haven't noticed by now, try smashing a m16 into a tree. :smack:

Not only did you resurrect a thread I started, but you did not read any of it, did you?

When someone who has been around as long as I am asks a question that may seem obvious, trust me, it requires information you probably wont have yet. You have not earned the right to even try to spoonfeed anyone.

There are very few guns capable of dealing with what I asked for. Some come close, and the answers were provided.

So read the newbie guide yourself, you need it badly.

I second this. I can't even tell you the amount of suffering I put my p90 through. I wont post because it will just make p90 lovers cry. Suffice to say that it is tough.

Tough, yes. But as I said the information gathering point of this thread was completed a few weeks ago. The need was for a gun for a specific person, and the P90 is not on the list that was kept.

So unless there are any more little newbies (not you Man Solo) who feel they know something and want to quote the Newbie Guide, this should be left to die again. Thanks.

now dont all freak out cause it says paintball in url
 

i have not trried this...my friend uses the the .43? size ball...but they have an airsoft version..can even go under water...try this


http://rap4.com/paintball/os/rap4-airsoft-c-261.html

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I wonder what part of "All the information has been noted since March" is unclear.

Guys, stop repeating stuff, okay? It's OVER, it's DONE, it's DECIDED. Let it die now. Thanks.

Right, heaven forbid people should keep posting in a public thread and continue the exchange of information that others may find useful.

fat guns need loving too...but they gotta pay!

http://forums.battle-forum.com/hoste...gmire-3865.jpg

Definitely the ICS AK Grey, we've got a player here Droc, whom seems impressed with his, and it's built like a brick sh!t house.

M-4 S system.

True it's the gun I use the most lately, but man is thing made to take a beating.

As long as you don't mind a little weight in a gun, this would be my nomination.

If its deemed Dead worthy it should be closed or such is my opinion anyway [not like it counts for much here though, but on other boards such is the way of doing things]

I get more then enough frustration from spending hours reading through posts with a perfectly vallid and often original oppinion on the topic at hand only to find it HAS been closed, the only thing more irritating is when it isn't closed, I spend an hour or two wrighting and rewrghting my msg then have someone who is far more wise then I tell me to piss off cause the threads "dead".
Since that happend I am verry hessitent to speak up for fear of being silenced al over again... Sheesh

Thats my small outbirst I will try and reframe from doing it again
Sorry if I offended anyone it was not my intent, I was just stating a noobs perspective.

Anyone who starts a thread, and gets their answers, has the right to ask for it to stop.

If you want to start another thread asking what is the toughest AEG around, you can.

But my question has been answered since March.

Yeah sure... delete this thread and some noobs will write another one about '' WAth Teh moSt SoliD and ThOught AeG'' then we could flame him... and tell him the question was asked already. At least before you deleted your first post this thread made sense.
Do we have to delete every thread that have been answered?

This is rediculous! other people do the research and then you get the info and now you want it deleted.. theres no reason to delete this thread

Agreed, however you shouldn't have the right to delete others information
Please just close the thread there is valuable info in here that would undoubtadly help noobs in there first AEG choice, it would save the trouble of another durability discusion for another year atleast [until the next gen comes out whenever that happems].

What's disgusting is Greylocks demanding people search for their answers and refusing to spoon-feed them, then demanding the very information he makes them search for be deleted. Fucking hypocrite.

Thank you, Gryphon, this comment convinced me to delete the rest of what I asked. You can keep all the information you posted except for my question.
None of the answers you guys gave are gone.

Its a vaild question since no one has really collected information about used guns. We can all read reviews of new guns, but there is no information about long term use.
for example, we all know plastic M4s break, but what about long term use of metal recievers. Its nice to know how guns actually hold up to punnishment.

And seeing as Greylocks tends to make guides, with all due respect, he has always put info to use. For all you know, he was gathering information to summerize into a FAQ thread later...like many of his other FAQ threads.

Not only are you a hypocrite, you're a baby. "I'm taking my ball and going home!" Unbelievable.

I appreciate the perspective although I respectfully submit that isn't the case here. He stated quite clearly in his opening post (before he removed it like a petulant child) that he was gathering information for a friend. There was no point to having it deleted and every reason to leave it up, and given his rabid adherence to the principles of self-learning you would think he'd agree. Sadly he's demonstrated that's not the case.

I was planning to redo the question in a more manageable method. Your bitching came close to making me stop altogether.
Read the other thread. You can refuse to contribute to it too if you feel you won some kind of contest.
I have the same right as anyone here to see a thread I STARTED locked or removed.
Instead of bitching about the removal and calling me all kinds of things, you could have suggested what I'm about to do anyway.

Maybe you do have the right to delete your own thread. But that doesnt mean you should. And you of all people shouldnt. If you cant see how incredibly hypcritical it is of you to suggest deleting this thread, well..... Even if you are making a different thread, do you think that everyone who posted in this thread will post again in your new thread? I doubt it. Bottom line is this. You are suggesting deleting helpful information which could give answers to someone looking for a gun. If we delete all threads that have been answered, where are you going to tell people to get their information? The search function would be useless. You'll be out of a job.

I'll say this though. If this does get deleted, and someone comes along asking what a solid/indestructable gun would be, you have no right to post anything in that thread.

No one used to fight with Greylocks more then me, but you cannot find anyone else here who has taken as much time to write guides and information pages.
Besides, it was concluded thats the thread, in its current state, wasnt useful, since there were many biased oppinions and a real conclusion was had to make from the thread.
I find it hard to belive that the guy who works harder then anyone else to make informaton avaliable, is requesting to have the thread removed for the purpose of taking information away.
Drop it, stop looking for a fight.

Seconded