does adding a silencer onto a aeg do nething else besides filter the noise?
 

hi there. i was wonderin if i put in a silencer in my TM m733 commando, will that increase my fps, accuracy, or distance at all...even just a little??

it will if you use it to hide a longer inner barrel.

It's been rumoured that it will put your FPS down by 20. Multiple reports, I don't have a chrony though to test myself.

i cant imagine that. the only thing that should make a lower chrony result is that the chrony will be further from the inner barrel.

Yeah, doesn't sound right to me either.

The one user I can think of that told this on ASC was mguyver. Then a couple other guys tried it and mentioned it over msn.

If I could get the damn 'microphone chrony' to work, I would test it.

adding a simple silencer do nothing except changing the high pitch of the gun into a low pitch. On gas weapon its way more effective. I get a 100% sound reduction on my M24 when my silencer is used.

the only thing a silencer does is that it makes your gun longer.. period

The silencer will change the pitch. It will help disguising the position from the report of your weapon over long distances. It is kind of like thowing your voice, you can still hear something but you can not pinpoint exactly where it is coming from. It will not hide the "sewing machine" whine of the mech box. This being said it is best used on single fire.

It'll only add some unwanted weight... and make your gun longer like Vondnik said.

Unless you want to hide a longer inner barrel, it's worthless IMO

it CAN have the effect of slowing down your BB's, and i've noticed the effect (especially on my pistol).

Instead of the air coming out of the barrel being able to disperse in all directions, it's able to expand only slightly, and into the marginally larger diameter of the silencer. Granted, the foam or baffles "absorb" some of it, the BB's still pushing through what is effectively "denser" air.

It's a minimal effect, but it exists.

also, if there is too much space inside the supressor, firing the gun might result in the propelling air to 'bounce around' the inside of the silencer body, which makes the bb that flys through that less accurate
I remember reading that somewhere on some site before...but I cant find it

Not necessarily. My buddy put a SOCOM style silencer on his G36C and it took the 'ratta-tat-tat' to a 'pfft-pfft-pfft-pfft'.

Sigh, if only someone had a chrono and a gun w/suppressor.....

Oh wait, I do. Give me 15 minutes and I'll have an answer for you.

EDIT: Well, it looks like a suppressor does nothing as far as velocity goes. I tested my G36C with 2 different suppressors. A G&P MK23 style suppressor, and a GB-Tech which is modelled after the Surefire suppressor. Neither affected velocity whatsoever. Velocity remained at 334 +/- 3 with both of them. There was a little sound difference, but it was more the sound it made, not loudness. I didnt do an accuracy test though. I'll leave that to someone else.

Unless you hide a longer barrel, the ONLY thing that will happen (and is measurable) is a change in the sound (for AEG).
No real effect on the accuracy/range unless the silencer is badly mounted.
It's really a question of 'looks'.

maby its my silencer being wierd, but when i put it on my 5.1 hi-capa it shoots the bb at a 45 degree angle to the left of were im aiming

That's quite an angle.

Check that silencer. It sounds like the BB is hitting some of the foam, or maybe clipping the end.

Lol, yeah. The bb's are definitely hitting the end of the suppressor. Hitting the foam wouldnt make that big of an angle. You'll want to try realigning that suppressor.

If you want to make your supressor even quieter take the solid piece of foam that usually comes in them and cut it into sections. I forgot to mention you'll need an old spring for this as well since the sections will need some way to hold themselves in position and this also keeps the foam away from the bb path. Take the sections (basically half inch thick rings) and even them out across the spring, which you may have to stretch out). This will trap sound in each of the gaps starting at the first one all the way to the end, less and less each time.

How well this works depends on your surpressor, the type of foam etc.

And lastly for those who think silencers do not work, don't forget you as the operator of the gun won't notice the actual difference because it's right beside your head when you fire. Have someone fire your gun in your direction but off to the side of your head. You'll hear the difference being on the other end.

If you're one of those spray and pray guys then you could be moving the AEG too fast and they're clipping the inside of the silencer before they exit. I see that happen almost daily. Your hop up or a dirty barrel could also be the cause of the bb hitting the inside.

go pipe insulation, the only working supressors ive seen sold in stores are for the socom kits, i thought it was ilegal to sell working supressors?

uh, dude, this is airsoft, an airsoft supressor is nothing like a real supressor

Oh that's right! Shit I keep forgetting the fact that I get paid to do what you consider a hobby and that I have no idea what I'm talking about.

I'll just pretend that I imagined the whole project. This way you can be right and you can have a good day because that's what's important.

Working the counter at XT doesnt make you a know it all at airsoft. (I dont really know what you do, it just seems probable).

In your defense though, I did actually hear that suppressors that actually suppressed, were illegal, no matter what they were on. Thats why you always hear about paintball fields that have suppressors banned completely. Because some of them do suppress. This is second hand info though, so I dont know for sure.

I've never claimed to be a know it all - I was simply offering proven advice.

And yes I stand behind a counter. That's all.

a good chance for me to self quote
hmm, and I dont work behind any counter :)

a supressor on an AEG isnt going to do much of anything except change the tone. A supressor on a gas gun, such as a sniper rifle does make a difference. On a GBB, not much since alot of the sound is from the slide...but it helps on a NBB.

Ghost Snake, Tripwire works as a tech at Xtreme Tactics. A guy who works on an average of 6 guns (if not more) a day, anything from rental guns used and abused to beating down, to rare and specialty guns from customers.

Now he didn't mean to come off as a know it all. He was simply giving advice or his "opinion" on a question someone has (which btw is what an airsoft community is suppose to do, “Help and give advice to fellow players”). He gave his opinion and nothing more. Believing or not is up to you.

Now this is "my" opinion from the issue. Now I agree a lot with what Droc said. An airsoft gun may or may not have a db change. And it is simply changing the tone. However in a practical sense. Changing the tone does often do the job.

We have experienced countless times where the enemy would be hit without knowing where the shot came from (when his opponent was only 4 meters away).

I have played with "silencer users" before. And when they are giving me suppressive fire from behind. All I can pretty much see are the bb's flying past my head, but not hear the sound of the gun.

I guess a "pnuff pnuff" is a lot less noticeable then a "tat tat". Now that just might be our brains more registered to a "tat tat" sound being fired (“tat tat” = OMG I’m being shot at!!!). And not to a "pnuff punff" from a silencers as they are not often used.

Conclusion: Actually reducing the sound? Most likely not (read Droc's arguing point).
But would it have the "affect" you’re looking for in a silencer? I will surely say "yes" by experience. I mean our ear drums don't have precision sound measuring capabilities. However we do notice a sound/tone difference. And you WILL get those "shadow kills" because most players might not register the connection between the tone changes to a bb being fired.

If you really want the "silencing effect". You are probably better off wrapping your mechbox and your motor with something for the sound to travel in. Most of the sound is coming from your mechbox, your piston slamming back and forth, your gears grinding, and your motor spinning. Now I don't know exactly what type of material might be "safe" to use with your mechbox. But I am certain something can be found. And I know for a fact that this has been done before so it is proven to work.

For most guys like me, slapping on a silencer is probably the "easiest" way to get the results "I" am looking for. The tone change and the ability to mask your position.

FYI on my background. (So I don’t get flamed). I have been involved in airsoft since I was 7 years of age in Hong Kong. I have then moved to Winnipeg Manitoba, playing in my teen years with the Manitoba Airsoft Association and later started up Xtreme Tactics Ltd with my own two hands.
Being open for over two year now, we have a WIDE variety of players. From teenagers, Families having “family days”, Father and son teams, Husbands and wives, Boyfriends and Girlfriends, to some 60 year old grandpa’s and grandmas. And from all this experience, I am proud of my decision to make airsoft public. Because now Manitobans (sp) are less afraid of this “unknown sport” and can register “Airsoft” as an acceptable family activity/past time. Nothing makes me feel better then to see parents being fully involved in their kid’s activities. Either by joining them in the game, or watching them on the Big screen (cameras) cheering them on.

We also get moms promoting their kids to play another game because they realize that this is a Healthy Sport and provides their kids with a great exercise.

I don’t come on ASC often because I’m sick of the bashing. Remember guys, we are all in this sport together. In a sense we are all family (or at least it appears that way when airsofters gather). So what’s the point in having arguments and flame wars all the time? If really think a certain post is stupid, then leave it alone, it’s not worth your time and stress to make the guy feel like he’s nothing but a pea.

That's my "opinion" and I hope you all have a nice day! :)

I just put a Madbull Magpul Gemtech Halo on my JG HK416, and bb's are hitting the inside of it, creating a classic ( yet amusing ) ricochet sound.

There are small amounts of white shaving's left in the front section of the silencer.

Help if you can ( know-it-alls included )
Thanks

Quick and dirty would be to swap the inner barrel for a longer one that reaches to the tip of the silencer. You may see tighter groupings as a result too.

Is there a way to fix it in the meantime?

Also, how would I determine the needed barrel length?
Thanks

Try playing with your hopup, it might be too high.

It's hitting the SIDE, if that helps any.

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