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UnderRated July 16th, 2006 20:08

Batterys.
 
My research on my gun im going to buy is finally coming to end, but theres still you question i have before i buy everything tommorow,batterys. Im gettin my stuff from rangers airsoft, they are sell a 9.6v 1700mah for a AUG, and are also selling a 8.4v 600 mini, ill just get 2. My question is will the 9.6v mess up my gun or make it not last as long, and also what is the better choice, 2 mini's or a 9.6 1700?

thanks

Renegade) July 16th, 2006 20:19

Stock gun, go with the minis, 1 600 mah battery depending on the game will last you around 600 rounds basicaly. Dont quote me on that, but it will will last you. Higher voltage will give you an increased rate of fire, but put the wear on your unupgraded gun. If you plan on upgrading later on (bushings, spring, ect) then the 9.6 is a good investment since it wont chew your gun to pieces. Not right away anyways.

I got a 8.4 mini with my gun when I bought it, and never used it, picked up a bigger battery cheap that night, put it in and away I went, loved the faster fireing rate, loved the fact that you had a large battery that would last longer. I have had no problems with a 9.6 in my gun and ive used it quite a bit in the few months having it. But I am upgrading this week, so having the 9.6 is the best way to go.

UnderRated July 16th, 2006 20:24

how many shoots roughly will i get out of a mini?

skewed July 16th, 2006 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnderRated
how many shoots roughly will i get out of a mini?

It's right there in the first line. How could you miss this?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade)
1 600 mah battery depending on the game will last you around 600 rounds basicaly


UnderRated July 16th, 2006 21:02

i was reading it fast a geuss i thought it said 1600 mah battery... doh

Droc July 16th, 2006 21:08

there is no answer to that. ..there are lots of factors that influence battery life.
gun, upgrades, motor effeciency, lube, temperature, wiring quality, etc.

generall we talk in game day length
so for some people, a 600mah battery may last them almost a full day of play(not a full day of shooting, we are talking play).

I recommend 8.4v for guns...9.6v will work, but it WILL significantly decrease the life of your internals.

Get the biggest battery you can fit in your gun. unless you want to stop midway through a firefight to change batteries, go big. I run a 3000mah battery most of the time and Im confident that it will never, no chance in hell, ever die on me in a game. Dont matter if I put 300 or 3000 rounds through it...I pop my battery in and never have to think about it again.

and btw, i scold people for using the word reasearch when the answers are easily found in the FAQ or by using the search. Its all there.

Nav July 16th, 2006 22:16

Hey Droc, excuse my noobiness but is your gun upgraded? I ask because in this thread:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=1162 it says not to go above 2000mah for a stock gun (im asking because im "researching" too). Thanks in advance.

Greylocks July 16th, 2006 22:27

The MAH has no maximum, the more the better as long as the battery cells fit in the gun.

The Voltage, however, matters a lot.

So if you have a stock gun, but you find a 8.4v 2700mah attery (large type) that fits in it, dont worry about it.

(Yes, there are exceptions if you push it, but that's the basics. Your primary problem is that you cant own an airsoft gun legally yet)

Nav July 16th, 2006 22:44

I have just started reading about Airsoft and I want to inform myself as much as possible before purchasing anything (I'll probably be 18 by then lol). Thanks for the reply.

EDIT: about the cells fitting in the gun, you could use a battery sling if you really wanted to correct?

Droc July 16th, 2006 23:03

correct, a battery sling as one of many ways to fit large batteries in small guns.

when it comes to batteries, more mah = better
more mah can slighty increase ROF....but only slightly. Someone described it as a bucket of water. voltage is the hole in the bottom and mah is the water in the bucket. the more water, the more pressure...it wont really come out that much faster, but it has alot more force behind it. I dont know the science behind it and I am no expert on batteries, but i can tell you from experience, if you run a 9.6v 600mah battery and then a 9.6v 3300mah battery in the same gun, the 3300mah runs faster.

8.4v is a safe number..some will say you need a 9.6v to run upgraded guns...but i have turned a 190% equlivant spring(470fps) with an 8.4v no problem.

9.6v is fine also, but you really wanna have metal bushings and sooner or later your gonna need new gears.

many guns that say mini battery can take a large battery with some mods. be it modifying a stock, adding a slightly larger frontend...the readymag battery system, the AN-PEQ2 battery box setups...and now the Star M800 Battery Carrier
http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag...r_acc_m800.jpg

Nav July 17th, 2006 08:40

Thank you very much for the info, gents. It has helped me quite a bit and I'm certain it has helped others. Cheers.

Greylocks July 17th, 2006 08:48

By the way, batteries are Accessories, or Upgrades. Not Airsoft Guns.
This should be moved to the right part of the forum.

Rumpel Felt July 17th, 2006 16:37

One name/word: Intellect

Buy only those. Either mini/stick 1400mah or large 3600-4200.

Those Sanyo batteries are a rip off and there is no need to buy them with Intellect cells around. Think, over double the capacity for the same price(sometimes cheaper)

Why do people always settle for less????

mark23 July 17th, 2006 17:08

Hi!

If you look for batteries for a TM AUG (Mini-Type batteries) and you are willing to spend some money (IMHO well worth, though) go with the LiPos I posted here (11.1V, 1200mAh). I do use them in my modified AUG and can thoroughly recommend them. I am sure you can get these in Canada, too.

Cheers
mark23

thephenom July 17th, 2006 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark23
Hi!

If you look for batteries for a TM AUG (Mini-Type batteries) and you are willing to spend some money (IMHO well worth, though) go with the LiPos I posted here (11.1V, 1200mAh). I do use them in my modified AUG and can thoroughly recommend them. I am sure you can get these in Canada, too.

Cheers
mark23

11.1v would have insane RoF on the AEG, more wear/stress on the mechbox in the longer turn. So really, I don't think you should recommend someone new to the sport to a 11.1v battery.

mark23 July 17th, 2006 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by thephenom
[...] 11.1v would have insane RoF on the AEG, more wear/stress on the mechbox in the longer turn. So really, I don't think you should recommend someone new to the sport to a 11.1v battery.

OK. True, I should have pointed that out in my previous post. Sorry for that, as my AUG is heavily modified and even with a M135 spring the 11.1V indeed allow for quite an insane rate of fire.

Cheers
mark23

Nav July 17th, 2006 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greylocks
The MAH has no maximum, the more the better as long as the battery cells fit in the gun.

The Voltage, however, matters a lot.

So if you have a stock gun, but you find a 8.4v 2700mah attery (large type) that fits in it, dont worry about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt
One name/word: Intellect

Buy only those. Either mini/stick 1400mah or large 3600-4200

Would 3600mAh be considered 'pushing it?'

Greylocks July 17th, 2006 18:27

Again, the MAH does not matter. The voltage does.
Overall the more MAH, the better.

If you follow that 11.1 volt advice, you WILL have problems.

Simple; you want a battery that is 8.4 volts and the most MAH you can find. There's nothing clearer than that.

Nav July 17th, 2006 21:55

Thank you very much. It is now crystal clear.

Greylocks July 18th, 2006 09:02

The only little detail is that some battery cells that have a high MAH rating are a bit larger than regular ones (diameter) and may not fit well in some guns.

Overall, a 'large' 8.4 volt 2000mah battery should last you for two days of gaming in a stock or slightly upgraded gun.

The more MAH, the longer you have that 8.4 volts working for you.

mark23 July 18th, 2006 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greylocks
Again, the MAH does not matter. The voltage does.
Overall the more MAH, the better.

If you follow that 11.1 volt advice, you WILL have problems.

Simple; you want a battery that is 8.4 volts and the most MAH you can find. There's nothing clearer than that.

Affirmative. If you intend using a stock AUG, you will have problems with the 11.1V battery. Also, I agree on that 8.4V/max. mAh advice. I did not intend to lure anybody into using a 11.1V battery in a stock AUG. Don't do that. Ever. Sorry.

For those who are interested, here is what it takes for 11.1V compatibility 8) ... (IMHO)
  • Prometheus Air Seal Chamber Packing (Hard Type)
  • Prometheus Non-Linear Spring MS135
  • Prometheus Triple Torque Gear Set
  • Systema Anti-reversal Latch for Gearbox Ver 2/3
  • Systema Spring Set for Gearbox Ver 2/3
  • Systema Stainless Steel Stopperrail for Ver 3
  • Systema Shim Set
  • Guarder Steel Bearing with double oil channel for all Marui AEG
  • Guarder Spring Guide for Gearbox Ver 3
  • Guarder Enhanced Tappet for TM Ver.3 Gear Box
  • Guarder Cylinder Enhancement Set for Marui AUG
  • PDC Metal Hop-Up Chamber for AUG
  • Eagle Force Hummer Motor 1300 Short
  • Deep Fire Titanium Piston, Full Teeth Version
  • KM TN Metal Nozzle Type D for AUG

At least that is what I use in my AUG and I have put it through its paces, appr. 8000 shots with .25 bb so far and I have had absolutely no problems with the 11.1V battery. Of course there are other combinations of upgrade parts possible, but like I have just said, this is what I use and it works.

Cheers
mark23

Ducky July 18th, 2006 13:20

Go to ehobbyasia.com buy 2 Intellect 1400mAh Mini NiMH batteries. They are fairly cheap like 30cdn with shipping and last along time in the field around 2000rnds or so depending on how continuous the use is.

No point in getting 9.6 at all, and definitely no point in getting a NiCD battery as thats old technology. Anyone who says "NiMH are crap" are way out of date batterywise, so dont listen to them.


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