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[]D[][]\/[][]D August 13th, 2006 10:55

Average BB Usage Per Game
 
I tried searching for 'average BB usage per game' on the forums but the search came up nothing, so I was wondering if you guys could help a newb out. I haven't been to a game yet, but I plan on going to one soon, and I just want to be prepared when I do go. What's the minimum, average, and maximum BB usage per game, and how much ammo would suffice if I go to one? And does the colour of BB's that I use really matter? Also, I’ve been meaning to get some hi-cap magazines, but will a couple of standard magazines with a couple of TM XL BB Loaders be enough? Any input and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. :-D

BTW, I plan on playing with my TM SIG 552 SEALs and SIG P226 Rail.

-Skeletor- August 13th, 2006 10:58

Depends, sometimes you might only fire off a mag, sometimes you might get into a prolonged firefight an fire a ton of BBs off.


For starting out, a couple low caps an extra BBs on you should suffice. Hi caps aren't needed IMO, stock up on low caps, STAR ones are really cheap.

[]D[][]\/[][]D August 13th, 2006 11:01

So let's say 3 standard magazines and a TM XL BB Loader which holds approx. 470 rounds will suffice?

Renegade) August 13th, 2006 11:13

Should just fine, but IMO its better to have plenty of lo caps and a few mids. I have that same XL bb loader comming, so I always carry double or so bb;s on the field then what my mags carry, so for long games, i can reload all the mags atleast twice.

And I will never own a Hi cap unless its full metal and in perfect condition just to match my FMU gun. :)

shadowninja August 13th, 2006 11:16

my last all day game i used 1500 bb's for the whole day

Droc August 13th, 2006 11:47

I have played some games and not used more then 300 rounds.
For milsim games, the usual BB limit is 300 per game...so if you play more then 1 game a day, then you can do the math.
All depends on the game, number of players, playing style and game intensity.
Like I said, I have used as little as 300 per day and as much as 4,000.

[]D[][]\/[][]D August 13th, 2006 12:00

Alright thanks for all the inputs ans suggestions guys. :tup: So I guess I should bring at least one bag of 3,000+ BB's then to a my first game just to be sure. Better safe than sorry, right? :-D

Another thing, what's the common BB weight used, .20g or .25g? Because I have a sh*t load of .20g Airsoft Elite Stealth BB's.

LUTNIT August 13th, 2006 12:14

0.20's are terrible, any little wind or a blade of grass will cause them to veer off course. When I first started I said "0.05g is pretty damn small, the difference in ballistics of the BB's should be almost identical" but I couldnt be farther from the truth. Even in a stock gun 0.25's will perform better than 0.20's. I've been using 0.25's for all of this year except my first game and when I tried to use 0.20's for a game it was so incredibly frustrating because the BB's went everywhere. As long as your hopup is set right, both will have the same range, the 0.25's will have a tighter grouping at any range, the only advantage of 0.20's is they will get there faster but such a small difference in travel time is pretty much meaningless at the ranges airsoft is played at.

Some people swear by 0.20's though, never met any but they are around here on ASC. I have about 6000 0.20's kicking around, always bring some out to a game for chronoing purposes but thats about it.

[]D[][]\/[][]D August 13th, 2006 12:26

Yeah that's what i figured also, so I was just making sure. I'll invest in some .25g BB's in a short while. Thanks for your input.

Metternich August 13th, 2006 12:45

I find the color of BB's do matter. You can see white BB's fly through the air allowing you to see the flightpath of your shot. This should help you aim, and help you get a feeling for the ballistics of airsoft. So I would recommend you use white BB's. Black and Green BB's are nearly invisible when fired. Unless you are familiar with the accuracy of your airsoft gun on the field I wouldn't recommend them.

Rumpel Felt August 13th, 2006 12:54

Just to confuse you....I swear by .2's! I really do. You get more for your money and I do find the performance practically identical. The last time I used .25's they broke apart in my chamber every 25 rounds. They were Maruzen brand so I dunno but that's still not why I despised them. I found that all they did was cause lower FPS. In MY opinion, .05 grams is only going to make a difference inside your gun before it hits the elements. At since that difference is negative (lower FPS) I use .2's. I've never had a prolem plinking things, people at like 25m or more sometimes.

LUTNIT August 13th, 2006 13:18

Rumpel Felt, you obviously dont understand the very basics of physics. The energy your mechbox puts on the BB is the same no matter what BB weight you use, why do you think they use 0.20's to chrony at games instead of just allowing anything? If you are shooting 400fps with 0.20's than your mechbox is exerting aprox 1.49J of energy, if you fire a 0.25 and it chronies at 370fps you still have that exact same 1.49J of energy. The equation to calculate this is E=mv^2 where m is the mass of the BB in Kg, v is the velocity in m/s, and E is the kinetic energy that that BB has in Joules. If you throw a baseball or a bowling ball with the same amount of force, the baseball goes a hell of a lot faster, doesnt it? Exactly the same thing, all basic elementary physics.

The heavier BB's empart that energy onto objects in their path differently than lighter BB's, I'm not 100% sure how this one works but a 0.25 will shoot a hole through a trees leaf in the same situation where a 0.20 will bounce off of the leaf. No, I'm not saying if you go out right now and shoot a leaf with a 0.20 it will bounce off, I'm saying in a situation where the 0.20 will bounce off, the 0.25 has a much higher chance of punching through.

I remember when I switched to 0.20's I did so because I was using a stock gun so figured I was supposed to. I fired through a VERY sparse bush and all the BB's went everywhere and more than a few came back at me. Just yesterday I was using a stock gun with 0.25's and was able to rip through moderatly dense bush to make kills. I was watching leaves and twigs snap and fly away in the path of my BB's where as when I was using 0.20's the leaves and twigs where just rustling and shaking and it was the BB's that flew everywhere. The differences are VERY noticable in woodland environments. Indoors 0.20's also bounce and ricochet far more than 0.25's, thats why the heavier the BB, the more you can feel the hit even though the energy is the same, its all about kinetic energy transfer.

quiggers August 13th, 2006 14:18

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Originally Posted by LUTNIT
The heavier BB's empart that energy onto objects in their path differently than lighter BB's, I'm not 100% sure how this one works but a 0.25 will shoot a hole through a trees leaf in the same situation where a 0.20 will bounce off of the leaf. No, I'm not saying if you go out right now and shoot a leaf with a 0.20 it will bounce off, I'm saying in a situation where the 0.20 will bounce off, the 0.25 has a much higher chance of punching through.

This is due to the monentum and the force the bb has. The mass is directly proportional to the momentum and force. The more mass it has the more ability it wil have to break through leaves and twigs.

Freedom Fighter August 13th, 2006 14:27

There is no average. Everyone plays differently and no game is the exact same.

[]D[][]\/[][]D August 13th, 2006 15:54

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Originally Posted by LUTNIT
As long as your hopup is set right, both will have the same range, the 0.25's will have a tighter grouping at any range, the only advantage of 0.20's is they will get there faster but such a small difference in travel time is pretty much meaningless at the ranges airsoft is played at.

When I purchased my TM SIG 552 SEALs gun it came with a bag of 200 .25g BB's. I just tried them out for the first time today and you were right about the tighter grouping. I had to adjust my hop-up a little differently though cause like 75% of the settings I tried were totally inaccurate. But once I found that right setting, it was so accurate. When I was using .20g BB's, even with the right hop-up setting at least 2 out of 4 shots were inaccurate. Mind you, that I'm shooting my gun indoors and about 20 feet away from the target box. So the results would probably be different if I were outdoors and further away from my target.

Greylocks August 13th, 2006 16:41

There is no answer to your question.
It's like asking how much air do you breathe in a day; "it depends" is the only answer.

Rumpel Felt August 13th, 2006 17:23

Exactly. I wasn't trying to PROVE everything like most people like to try and reason it. In my opinion and experience .2's has just worked better for me. I should mention I don't hang back and try to pick people off that often either.

Deathcom4 August 13th, 2006 17:30

i try and use around 2 star mags indoor per game outdoors as little as 500 rnds

Droc August 13th, 2006 17:36

both wok, but if your upgraded, use .25g without question. They may move slightly slower, but they travel further, are not effected as much by wind or leaves, travel flatter. Rember, its 25% more mass then the .20g

LUTNIT already outlined some reasons, so Im not gonna hit on them, but there are several good threads discussing this.
Rember for GBBs, they are designed for .25g or heavier.

I use .25g
and only .25g
If I run out of .25g and have a bag of .20g sitting beside me, Ill run back to base for more .25g

Identity August 13th, 2006 18:17

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Originally Posted by []D[][]\/[][]D
Quote:

Originally Posted by LUTNIT
As long as your hopup is set right, both will have the same range, the 0.25's will have a tighter grouping at any range, the only advantage of 0.20's is they will get there faster but such a small difference in travel time is pretty much meaningless at the ranges airsoft is played at.

When I purchased my TM SIG 552 SEALs gun it came with a bag of 200 .25g BB's. I just tried them out for the first time today and you were right about the tighter grouping. I had to adjust my hop-up a little differently though cause like 75% of the settings I tried were totally inaccurate. But once I found that right setting, it was so accurate. When I was using .20g BB's, even with the right hop-up setting at least 2 out of 4 shots were inaccurate. Mind you, that I'm shooting my gun indoors and about 20 feet away from the target box. So the results would probably be different if I were outdoors and further away from my target.

You wont see the difference between hopup from 20ft away...
Hopup becomes effective when your target is 50ft and more away.

Bring your gun out one day.
Where are you located by the way? Im looking for a place to play which is close by where I live.... :(

O yeah acurracy for get that, theres no accuracy in airsoft unless your a sniper. Most poeple spray like mad. Im heavy on the trigger so most times I use more than 75% of the bag.

tunabreath August 13th, 2006 18:29

The line of reasoning that 0.05g shoudn't make much difference is silly. Yes, 0.05g wouldn't make any sort of difference for the items the size of what we manipulate in our lives daily. However, for a 0.20g BB that's a 25% difference in mass (more than the percent loss of velocity). When considering momentum (with the previously stated 1.79J example), the speed reduction still has less effect than the mass increase (.20g @ 400fps is about 24gm/s, .25g @ 370fps is about 28gm/s).

Deathcom4 August 13th, 2006 19:30

i think im going to start using .25 for now on

LUTNIT August 13th, 2006 20:27

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Originally Posted by Droc
If I run out of .25g and have a bag of .20g sitting beside me, Ill run back to base for more .25g

I thought you used foul language when you ran out of 0.25's?

Droc August 13th, 2006 20:35

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Originally Posted by LUTNIT
Quote:

Originally Posted by Droc
If I run out of .25g and have a bag of .20g sitting beside me, Ill run back to base for more .25g

I thought you used foul language when you ran out of 0.25's?

sometimes both.
in a pinch, I can swamp to a backup pelvic thrust.

attack-beaver August 13th, 2006 21:28

most of the out door games i go to i'll shot off about 700-800 rounds thats normal for me but i double tap most of my shots and i very rarely use full auto on my G3 because theres not point most of bb's well either not make it to the target or miss so i use primally semi fire. indoor i'll use maybe around 600 thats good for me on a bad day i can easily get off 800+

GMTII August 13th, 2006 21:46

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6ft4 August 13th, 2006 23:16

usually use at least 10,000 bbs for a day games.

gaifaun August 14th, 2006 00:02

I've got some pretty good deals for KSC .20 .25 TM .20 .25 .30 BBs here

Spitfire August 14th, 2006 04:06

i'd buy a bag of 0.2 bbs... 4000 should be ok for you if you aren't triggerhappy... also just shot if you can hit someone, don't just shot for fun :wink:

PS: also swiss quality :cool:

ILLusion August 14th, 2006 05:09

I've been in games where I've had to fire ZERO shots.

I hope that helps you much in your quest.

Spitfire August 14th, 2006 06:54

of course it depends on your gun aswell...
snipers never dont need more then 120 shots a day... MGs need like 1000bbs a game...
pumpguns are also very good if you dont like to shot to many bbs...
midcaps are good aginst trigger-happiness :wink:

kong August 14th, 2006 11:09

i use about 1000max for a CQB game and about 1500 for a day of woodland but if it is mil-sim no more then 600. and about 400max for a night game.

BloodSport August 14th, 2006 11:29

20,000+






















but thats when I sell them on the field... myself... well between 200 and 4000... depends on the games.....

[]D[][]\/[][]D August 14th, 2006 11:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Identity
You wont see the difference between hopup from 20ft away...
Hopup becomes effective when your target is 50ft and more away.

Bring your gun out one day.
Where are you located by the way? Im looking for a place to play which is close by where I live.... :(

O yeah acurracy for get that, theres no accuracy in airsoft unless your a sniper. Most poeple spray like mad. Im heavy on the trigger so most times I use more than 75% of the bag.

I'm located around Ellesemere & Neilson. When I do decide to go to a game I'll check out the Games & Events Schedule board.

CDN_Stalker August 14th, 2006 11:39

Depends largely on the game type and how many engagements you get into. Least amount for me was an evening/night game, went through about 20 or so BBs through my MP5's low cap, and 4 BBs through my sniper rifle. Only got three kills, but was cool was all with my rifle after darkness set in. Most for me............ dunno, 400-600 BBs total across my sniper rifle, MP5 and G19. I'm not a hose by any means, fire in bursts in full auto, and don't lay much supressive fire down unless I need to, in which case it's still aimed bursts.

LUTNIT August 14th, 2006 12:46

At sniper hunt Apoc went through 10 000, no joke, four 2500 round boxmags for his M249 but hes as trigger happy as, well...hes the most trigger happy person I know.

At my second game ever (a night game mind you) I fired I believe 60 rounds, got hit, walked back to respawn, walked back to the fight, got surrendered on the way, walked back to respawn and never got engaged again for the rest of the night.

Hard to say what I go through as I often have someone mooching BB's off of me, the two of us go through maybe 2000 BB's a game, hes a little more gungho than I am so I probably use maybe 700-800 of the 2000 and him the 1200-1300 rest.

sherlockbonez August 14th, 2006 13:03

A 2500 bag, last me 2-4 games. I only use starmags, and I hate loading them up, so I always try to pick my shots.

PoFF August 14th, 2006 15:34

Depends if I strip my piston early or late into the game. Early strippage, usually less than a lowcap worth of BBs, late strippage means at least 2 bags gone.

TCLP August 14th, 2006 16:17

Ive gone anywhere from 200 to 1000 but I havent played a milsim so I cant account for that game type. But then again It all depends on what happens on the field if you have a full bag I think youll do fine. As well everyone has a different preferance to bb weight, for $20 they are probably one of the cheapest things in this sport, so experiment to find what you like best.

Jar|-|ead August 15th, 2006 01:22

1000 rds per day game for me.Not a trigger happy person.

Lisa August 15th, 2006 02:17

I've used as few as 1/2 a highcap and as many as a bag and a half or so (2500bbs in a bag)... and the situation on bb usage varies, some people just need to be reminded a few hundred times that they're hit other times you're just in a target rich enviroment.

Janus August 15th, 2006 04:18

Depends on my loadout. I could go through an average of ~800 a day when armed with an AEG. When I go with just a pistol...probably 200.

-J

Prowler August 15th, 2006 04:21

i once went with less then 200 shots one game with my mp5. Probably when I was forced to shoot semi when my gun was shooting 445. I remember reloading one of my locaps twice the entire day. Highest was 2 whole bags of .25. Roughly 2 Full C-mags. That was a fun day ;D Beware the "WHIRRRRRRRRRRR*click*" of death!

Number of rounds depends on my loadout, how many players in a given situation, and what role I feel like playing that particular day. I would base it by the bag though. I can use 1 and a quarter bags per month on average. I used to keep track. :p


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