Is it possible? A hybrid Airsoft Gun?
 

Well, as I wish to know.. Before I try..

I plan on being my ol' retarded self and trying something spontaneously stupid.. yet again..

All righty then..

I have a RC motor that got an electric RC up to about 60 MPH, or 50k rpm.. Now, I have an empty G36 body which I'm thinking about putting a metal gearbox with aftermarket all metal parts in with a high tention spring..

That should be an ownage weapon.. no?

Nowwww.. Would a version 3 gearbox work? Or would I have to go stronger.. (I'm thinking stronger, anyhow)

I know I need some strong as crap gears, high high high tension spring, etc.. Or else it'll blow out, yada yada. Alright.

So, any suggestions or sites, or comments.. for aftermarket parts?

Thanks,

Mentana.

Don't forget the nuclear reactor

A hybrid what?

Electric? What you're trying to design has already been created.

You know there's already a whole slew of electric airsoft guns? They're called "AEGs". Might want to look them up.

You're not retarded. You're just... uninformed and behind on the times.

haha. Hahaha. Hahahaha. Lolololol. Noononono!!

By "Hybrid" I meant, RC + Airsoft parts.

I know there are AEGs.. I own a few. I just wanted to make a super AEG. Durr :)

What I truely was looking to see that was retarded is the pure torque of the motor.. 50 thousand rpm.. That's about 25k shots per min.. Do the math.. I was wondering if that was possible, is all.

Also, I did the math myself.. if you're like that.

277 per second.. Which is Ridiculous.. That's not possible.. therefor, i need a HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH tension spring to slow it down dramatically.. but risk breaking the gearbox... So is it possible.. back to my original question..?

Guy's. I think what he's really saying is that he wants to put wheels on a G36 and make it go 60mph. and be remote controled. A few simple modifications and you'll a really fast RC G36.

..................er................uh?.....wait.. .maybe I read that wrong.

EDIT: oooooh. Now I get it.

I dont see how that motor would ever have the torque to compress the spring at that high rpm. It would be like putting a car in 5th gear then expecting it to climb a 40% grade at 150 kmph with a 4 cylinder 1.5 litre engine. The motor will not have enough torque to do it, it might make a buzzing sound when you pull the trigger though? could use that at the base of a makeshift flashlight/plastic retractable sword to make a kool lightsabre

If you think about it.. It can.. Depending on the tension, it'll go accordingly. The spring can be high tension taking longer to compress, or more RPMs, or lighter taking less time..

My math might be wrong, but I calculated 3 RPMs per spring compress, probably more around 6 - 8 Though.. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It gets an RC to 60mph.. 50k RPM.. Why not be possible?

Completely impossible. If you knew how a gearbox fully worked you'd realize 50,000 is a ridiculously astronomical rate of fire that is in no way ever achievable with an AEG.

Ask the guy with the TOP M249 how many pistons he stripped (I think the count required more than two hands) at around 2000 RPM.

the biggest issue with high ROF, well at least sensibly high ROF is feeding.

If you want high ROF you should really consider gas guns instead.

try it and see what happens, youtube it too.

just bring a riot shield when you do test it.

Ummm, I think you need to redo your math. A TM EG1000 motor has 27,552 rpm. You RC engine will only double your ROF, giving you maybe around 1500, not 25k... Also, with the avaliability of SystemA motor upgrades that are specifically designed for Airsoft, why risk wrecking a gun on a un-reliable upgrade.

Here is a comparison chart, it points out BOTH rpm and torque. Your motor may be spinning at 50k rpm, but with poor torque it will be pointless to put in a AEG.

http://www.21stcenturyairsoft.com/motorguide.php

-Daes

Exactly.

Gryphon, if you are talking about Poff's M249, then yes it was putting out 2000 RPM and would eat pistons like some sort of BB side dish.

Mentana, if you manage to get your G36 over 2500 RPM, and are able to feed it properly, I would suggest finding a good cheap supply of quality pistons. Because you will need 1 or 2 pistons for every bag of BBs you put through it.

Oh and that high tension spring you are talking about, will not only slow down your motor, it will also speed up your BB, probably way beyond field limits.

Heck, if you took a jet engine and tossed BBs by the handful into the exhaust stream I don't think you'd even get to 50,000 RPM.

I seriously think that you need to read up on basic high school physics, electrical systems, ballistics, and basic mathematics. Then get a reality check.

Care should be taken with this as well. A spring with the high tension you're recommending would make a BB travel backwards in time. It might then hit a DeLorean, kill Marty, and make Biff the king, ruining everything.

I think you'll find that you can't fit many RC motors in the grip of a G36. It's been awhile since I worked on rc cars, but last I checked the 540 size motor was still popular. It's pretty large in dia compared to an AEG motor. There are smaller brushless motors for the rc electric airplane crowd that I've been looking at, but they don't have the flats that are present on AEG motors so you'll be into making custom mounts for them as well as making the motor driving cct cooperate with an on-off trigger. I'm guessing you'll need a programmed acceleration profile for the motor to maintain synchronization with the armature.

I think you'll also quickly find the PV (load pressure x velocity) limit of your bushing materials. Exceed the PV limit of the gear teeth or the bushings and you'll have a runaway wear condition. I think high end gears might not be the weak point in your design, but you'll find out that AEG pistons aren't up to the task. Another early failure point will probably be the tappet plate. No metal tappet plates are available and the plastic ones aren't especially rugged.

Good luck making a hicap keep up with your rate of fire. Airsoft bb feeding solutions are not designed for ultra rates of fire. You will probably find yourself engineering your own bb feeding mechanism.

540? where have you been man. The 550 is where its at now.

Heheh I remember when the first gen TM MP5's came with the EG540's...woah!

LOL Andrew, you're just crazay!

Math is out that is for sure but hey, you can always waste some money and TRY. Many things we have today were the result of someone thinking why not and voila, we have it or there is one less person around and/ or smoking crater!

WHY..... the ROF you have now isn't enough to make a hit?

Like your mom told me faster isn't always better....