G&P M4 Special Operation
 

Does anyone own or seen/tested this gun?
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Ive been thinking of getting one (once the age verification part is done),
was just wondering how the G&P Quality compares to the other big companies.
I've only been able to find 1 review so far, so any information you guys have would be really helpful. Specifically how the motor & gearbox handles, and what Magazines are useful and feed well.

G&P stuff seems to be very high quality, yet still at a reasonable price as far as airsoft goes. I don't think you can go wrong with anything that company makes. I love their stuff!

I have owned plenty of their metal receivers (just bought another a couple weeks ago), own a few vert grips, an aimpoint, a RAS front end kit and a selection of other tid bits. All top notch.

The only thing that I have heard thus far that seems to be lacking is their AR full stock.

I've heard of issues with the tapplet plate. Don't know if this is fixed yet or not.

Ooops, that too :D

LOL!!! I was about to ask the same question as I'm going to buy this gun myself!

I think I'm the only guy in Canada with this gun. I've gamed it twice. Solid little performer. Mine came from ASCA via WGC last summer. It shoots about 330 fps and has their new generation internals and motor.

I did find that the front receiver pin was a little loose and would fall out of the body. I wacked it with a hammer to flare it a bit and it holds just ducky now.

But do yourselves a favour if you buy one and get the correct G&P battery. Trying to make one yourself with the parts they give you is just a waste of time and money. These batteries can be had for around $45 from Illusion or 204 Tactical. I would change the connector on the gun and G&P batteries to actual Dean's connectors. They give you some Asian knock-off and they suck. They are quite loose and not worth my time to fix.

The Aimpoint clone co-witnessed the flip-up sites and were bang on with the bb's once the hop-up was set.

I guess you could say I like it.

I just recived one,I'm sure your talking about the G&P M4SO right? I'v had a few issues with this unit,don't get me wrong I still love it and all but! Like Mcguyver,I to had the problem with the front reciver pin and I replaced it with a Classic Army one(Too much play in the hole.).The little spring that pushes the hop-up against the inner part of the reciver was missing and the Clip that holds the barrel in place in the hop-up was cracked.I noticed alot of play in the inner-barrel as there is no suport at the end of the silencer,this can be fixed thow.But despite all this,the gun chron'd at 367fps. out of the box and after fixing the problems has some nice groupings and power! I'v had this unit for about a week,so time will tell.I was nice to see Ballbearings in the gear-box and a metal nozzel(I think most G&P have them!).Anyway just my 2 cent's (maybe 5!),hope it helps!Oh as for Mag's non of my other Mag's fit from my ICS M4(S.I.R.) or from my Classic Army Seals Compact (ArrG!)

No complaints from me for G&P, I have the SPR/A, and it's one of the best guns I own.

Death, how did you fix the inner barrel play at the end of the silencer? Only matter is the mag problem. Wonder if TM mags will fit or not. Guess I'll find out.

I bought one (M4SO, Marines version) a couple days ago. I haven't had a chance to field it, but I bought it because my buddy showed it to me and I was sold. Completely solid body, can't find any play anywhere, and it fires damn well. I haven't chrono'd it yet, but I'm going to in a couple days.

The weird issue I've had so far is the G&P mag that came with it won't click in the receiver; you can with a wee bit of force pull the magazine out. The ten extra King Arms mags don't have this problem, and I'm going to wait for a couple days after oiling them to see if they have any feeding issues. I'll test a few out tonight and let you know.

I do have the correct crane stock battery, but the problem with it is that the battery cord isn't long enough to remove the stock with the battery secured inside. This is a problem when trying to install the battery, as the cables are exactly long enough to remove, with maybe 1mm of clearance. Otherwise you'll get pissed off like me when the battery connection comes undone every time you try to put the stock back on. So I'm upgrading the connectors to better ones and put a little play in the battery cable, and we'll see what happens from there.

Otherwise, this gun is a beauty to hold and fire. Even the trigger weight feels really solid and not toy-like, unlike my two G36s (TM and CA).

I got the g&p m733 and love it. The 68rd and 300rd TM fit no problem. My only complaint is the gearbox was lacking lube, easy fix and learnt how to diassemble and maintain. It's from 007 and is only shooting 290fps but constant. Have deans here but no soldering iron. I've put 25-4000rd bags throught it and no real problems. Mine has a TM eg700 motor which was bit of a surprise.

The only way I found too get rid of that play was to wrap some electrical tape around the end of the barrel so it takes up the space between the foam and the inner barrel,it seems Mickey mouse,but theres nothing too attach the barrel too! and I just played with the amount of tape,so it still slid in without fighting with it.As for the motor,this has the G&P 120 high speed,the ones that have the EG700 were the ones from WGC(it's listed on there web-page),for some reason they were switching them.The wires in the cranestock I found were too long in mine.All three of my M4's have cranestocks(two of them are G&P Cranestocks,the other is Classic Army and there are not able to use the same batterys from G&P to the Classic style).We tryed some T.M. low-cap mag's and there was no luck there as far as my unit goes.I'v yet to find another Mag. to fit this Gun,but if anybody knows of any Pls. let me know!

King Arms, as I said earlier. I'm going to try some TM and CA when I get the chance, but they all look the same to me.

One thing I forgot to mention was when I ordered this unit,it was ordered as the Bulldog model 297 and thats whats on the box,but it was the M4SO that was in the box Hmmm! The only difference between the two is the Paint and I had waited awhile for this unit to come through,eh! It's the same gun!But it does seem alittle odd.The Classic Army does not fit,it does't even trip the Mag. catch!I'll have to try and find some of thoes King Arms Mag.'s,Thanks!

is the aimpoint in the picture above removable?

The Aimpoint and front and rear sights are all removable.

If you have a loose RAS, then the barrel will also be loose. There are shims that come with many add-on RAS units to fix this problem. Mine was a little loose out of the box. I tightened it.

I guess I'm not the only one with one then. They're not very common, that's for sure.

lol I got yours then....

looks like I gotta order myself one, and soon, as Xmas is coming up :D
Now to convince the parents. any pointers for this immense task?

Thanks for the info Death. It almost sounds like you have to either use King Arms Mags or G&P mags. Oh well...I guess I'll have to buy a dozen lo-caps either from King Arms or G&P.

2 of us from Calgary have thease in the custom TM version.

You guys had to build these up from parts. You get choices during purchase and assembly to address whatever you come across, be it good or bad.

In this case, the creater of this thread needed specific info on the pre-built G&P version. I think he got enough to make an informed choice.

Building a gun from scratch is always the best choice for the more experienced guys, but for someone new (and not age verified as well) a pre-built version may be the best way to go.

As far as mags go, the stock G&P 130rnd didn't fit worth a shit. Not that I care, I usually throw them in the bush whenever I get a G&P gun. That's about all they're worth. I have 68rnd. from Marui, KA, CA and all work fine and don't fall out of the gun like the G&P mag. The oldest of my Marui mags don't feed that well with .25g bbs anymore in any of my M4's, this gun is no different.

Thats funny lol,I thought Mark said you had the one without the Silencer? Eh! I heard your's Chron'd kinda hot too! Or was it hear/say? how do you like it chris? I finaly had the chance to game this one tonight and she rock's!

Ya, I got the one without the silencer. I LOVE it, got a 9.6V 2700 mAh built by prarie battery, gone through about 10 mags in my basement. No feeding problems with my KA, TM or Milspex mags. She's a tad warm on the chrono for indoor, but perfect for outdoor.

Why did you go for 9.6? The 8.4 is already damn powerful; I'd imagine she's hot already.

I thought someone said theyre TM and CA's dont fit... Hmm...maybe I read it wrong.

I have to hold my STAR/MAG/TM mags up with my hand to get the hop up to click on the mag's bb catch. The click into the magcatch fine though.

My G&P mags work mint with it. My G&P body is over a year old now.

Just a little pointer that might help out to get the mag catch to lock in -

If the mag won't lock in - remove the plastic guts of the mag and use a three angled file judiciously to raise the top of the mag catch slot a bit. Just do a fraction of a mm at a time, replace the plastic and test it with the gun in question. I had to do this to my PTS mags to get them to fit into my MRP but now they're good to go.

If they're too loose, I'd say you're f**ked :( Make sure before you decide this is the case that the mag catch isn't simply grabbing the top of the plastic instead and making it seem too loose when in fact its the problem above though.

SINN, it's like your mag catch is just a little lower than the one in both mine and valkxb70's weapons. Is your just the body, or was it the full AEG?

Yeah, it's off by about 1 mm when I mark where it sits, to where it catches the bb. I bought the pre-upgraded G&P M4 so everything was G&P at the time. I now have the carbine length RAS unit which looks killer. I also have since changed to the Prometheus hop up and even tried a TM mag catch but no difference.

That's odd, because both mcguyver and I say we have the same problem. I don't know about his AEG, but mine is the Special Forces Marines edition; effectively the same except longer foregrip and no silencer.

thanks for the help everyone, more info is welcome :D

I have the"G&P M-4 Commando"which I purchased
this summer from 007,the only issue with this AEG
is mine was a little to hot(shooting at about 405to425FPS).
After I put a lighter spring in it it is now at a safer
FPS (about 325)and it does not sound like the mechbox is
going to fly apart.As for the mags I use TM,Star and G&P
with no problems feeding.The M-4 Commando now
has fired about 2500 rounds with no problems.

Redwolf has changed their site layout? in the G&P Section so far, havent looked at anything else yet.

can someone recommend a good charger/discharger for the special Nic-Cad battery it uses?

There's nothing special about it. It's just a battery in a different shape.

It's also quite likely NiMh. For some reason a lot of sites list it as NiCad, but on the battery itself, it's NiMh.

I have both the M733 Commando (Marines) & the M4 (Colt). I found that out of the box it was at about 370 fps for both. Yes they both needed lube, almost non-existent. The next issue I ran into was the pistons in both broke apart after 3-5 games, however the rest of the internals are very good, except the M733's tappet issue.

Overall a good gun, just some teething (piston - :D ) issues.

diff shape = special in this case :D

yea redwolf lists it as NiCad, hopefully its NiMh, my family has lost 2 cellphones to the memory effect.
Still needing a charger suggestion.

I run two G&P NiCad's first is a 9.6 1700mAh and a 9.6 2200mAh and yes they are NiCad but I have seen the NiMh for them,you just have to make sure of what your ordering! As for chargers,a few buddys and my self have been running the Piranha from DuraTracks.The nice thing with this charger is it charges both types of cells for a reasonable price.The only problem I'v had with NiMh cells is when running a M120 spring,it will not even turn the spring over,but the NiCads seem to have no problem with this.And the NiMh I was running was a 9.6 1400mAh,it should have had the power but it didn't.

Hey MrEvolution...any updates as of yet? im also interested in getting an AEG from G&P (USMC Sam-R) and was wondering about where you purchased it from and the same issues that you were concerned about. LMK.

Oh...not to highjack your theard but has anyone had any experience with an SPR like the sam-R or similar? if so pls PM me.

Thanks,
Twisted

heh havent got one yet, non-sufficient funds. Was just doing some research. Its on my wishlist however :D

MrEvo...where do you plan on getting your AEG from? im also trying to do some research on my AEG and cant seem to find anyone that carries G&P locally that is..any pointers?

I was going to get verified soon, and see how much it would cost for ASCA to order it for me.

Im ordering one from A&A airsoft, he will get them (ORDER) from redwolf first week of jan.
My price is (i think) 800 bucks plus S&H. Thats a pritty good price probaby cheaper then ASC. The gun itself is 470 usd i think plus 50 for shipping plus handling fees. so your looking at 550 or so with everything in USD. Tell me if you get it cheaper from asc, lets see what kinda deal we can get :)

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Changed the inner barrel for a prometheus 6.03mm and a softer spring (prometheus ms100) ... Was shooting 375 out of the box. Still need to chrono it.

Anybody know for sure what spring it comes whit?

thats what she said

also, on a more mature note, G&P freaking rocks i love my SR-25 K. solid as a rock! no wobble anywhere... go for it!

as for the parents... you might be better off asking for an iPod or something... then return it get the cash then spend as you see fit. did that with an ugly-ass jacket i got last year, payed for my EO-Tech! hahaha:D

*edit* that is one sexy gun above this post... holy shit i have to stop looking...

Hey Flan, Nice looking piece of kit you have there :wink:

:)

2yrs ago :P