TM AUG??
 

Hey I'm kinda new to the whole airsoft thing, I've played for about a year just renting the guns and now I"m about to buy one, and I'm looking at getting a TM AUG Rail Type. For my playing style, I like to be able to shoot people from a distance but I also at times like getting right in the midst of things. So if anyone has experience with them please let me know what you think of it, anything and everything from pro's to con's.

V3 Gearbox.....nuff said. (ie excellent)

If you like the design, it is a very good gun.
Personally I dont, but it is still a good gun with a good reputation.

The last one I saw was almost totally silent.

I'm not fond of the fire selection method personally, but whatever floats your boat.

maybe the answer is to... try one... if you've been renting guns and playing for a year you should have some idea about the differences between designs no?

BTW, if you are able to hit things you are "in the midst of them"

prefrance is everything. When I first started I was in love with Tommy guns and thought that AUGs and P90s were moronic.

Now I love bullpups (mag behind firing hand) for their longer barrels and looks. AUGs come full metal but you should but a steel front grip stem from the airsoftcanadaarmoury and replace it right away as they break easy. If you buy a used AUG they usually don't have the sights so you have to rely off of RDS (red dot scopes) or other sights.

Ya I had heard that the vertical grip was its weak point, I looked for the replacement part and its only 20 bucks for a full metal one so thats easy. I also heard that the AUG's come fully metal but I have not been able to find out where it says that. Generally the guns come with some metal but mostly ABS plastic, so I find that odd.

I haven't had any problems with my vert grip so far, but I've only had my gun for a little over a year now.
The AUG is considered full metal because everything that is metal on the real one is metal on the airsoft one, keeping in mind that the real AUG has a polymer body.

i have a classic army aug a2, pretty much all metal and fiberglass reinforced ABS plastic. It's strong as hell, and you can pretty much beat someone with the buttstock. the real winner for it though, is the high performance motor, i'm getting a ridiculous rate of fire on 8.4V batteries, i can't wait until i get my 9.6V in!

what are some of the differences between the CA and the TM takatorikku?

i think it's the 7mm mechbox, high performance motor, fiberglass reinforcement, build (no creaks whatsoever), real trades, a serial number... that's all i can think of at the top of my head


oh, and a huge price difference

There are no creaks on the TM aug.

The Classic Army AUG motors are different from the TM AUG motors, so the CA high performance motor would be the equivalent to a EG 1000?? I've never actually taken a gun apart but I've read that its very difficult and time consuming. I also read that the gun does not preform as well afterwards as it did before being taken apart. Would you say this is true?

That all depends on how much experience you have with the mechbox. If you get the CA AUG, don't screw with it, it already performs beautifully. If you get the TM one use it for a while, and maybe upgrade it later. But do your research first, I opened a few mechboxes before I knew what i was doing, and the results are no good.

yeah i'd rather spend $40 on a gun doctor than another $500 for a new gun. besides, the CA AUG already shoots at a very nice 310-330fps. no need to upgrade unless you plan on hurting someone.

http://www.mechbox.com/site/aug-disassembly-video.html

The take down is extremely easyon the TM...not sure about the CA

Ok, I've noticed that there not very many upgrades/accessories for the AUG's, probably because of the guns odd design, I ,mean I can obviously upgrade the shooting power to 400fps but do you find (other than buying a scope) that accessories for airsoft guns to be mainly for show? Like yes they do do what they do but have you found in your experience to be effective? If you guys had a choice which would you prefer, a TM AUG or a CA AUG?

I've read a lot of different web sites and they all say different speeds for the AUG. Is there an official web site that has all of the speeds of the airsoft guns? Because I've read that the AUG can do 340 fps all the way down to 270 fps.

you can buy shorter outer barrels and make them a CQB AUG very easy...they are around 25" when finished. M4 length inner barrel (still good outside) and short enough to be used for CQB. Check link

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=aug

there's also the A3 version conversion although there's an AUG A3 coming out soon. it's so sick. the most you'll need for an AUG is a scope, you don't need anything else. the CA takedown is fairly simple. lock back bolt, remove barrel, push button and remove receiver.

as for external upgrades, i know there is a rail attachment that you can mount on the receiver, on the exhaust holes. that's exclusive for the AUG... as for more rails, the A3 conversion is available, or overkill lol. I know there's a rail mount that mounts a rail on a 45 degree angle on another rail, so you can put that on the A2 if you want a light or laser to offset your scope, would look sweet. I know Raygis is selling one, check his sale thread.

All I've got on my AUG is an Aimpoint RDS, and that's all I need, aside from mags, plenty of mags.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...u/DVC00485.jpg

PS: i've moved the RDS forward since this pic

Well if the CQB means what you did to your AUG in those pictures I dunno if I like the look, but how is its performance? (I will do my research on CQB just not now, I'm at my friends house with a 28k modem, so it would take me donkey's years to read up on it.) I was thinking when I want to upgrade the gun later on about using the Phantom Kit for the AUG, I think its looks alright and the barrel looks to be about the same length and with the huge silencer should be VERY quiet.

Thats an awesome looking AUG as is takatorikku, quite frankly I'd be pretty happy with that for a while. I'm thinkin I'll get a scope at some point, nothing to fancy and a laser would be nice because where I play its indoor and the lighting is very dark, but not pitch black.

in that case G3, i'd recommend (this applies to TM or CA) a red dot scope, the aimpoint on my AUG only cost $65, a scope mount (the cantilever on mine is $25) and the G&P Lower Side Rail Attachment found here:

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=32245

along with the KA laser for another $65...

all of those should run you around $600 before taxes/shipping.

and with the A2 railed AUG, you don't get a scope "at some point". you get it when you get the gun lol, you can't aim it otherwise, there's no ironsights.

Ya ok, I was looking at the L500 laser, it looked not to bad. Yes I am getting a the TM AUG Rail Type but I thought that it did come with flip up sights... that kinda disappointing....

Yes, it comes with sights, but they're pretty crappy. Still usable though.

The TM Aug is suppose to do around 280 fps from the TM website. But all the TM v3 mexhbox's are rated at that FPS. Due to the air friction from the Augs longer inner barrel, it shots a bit lower.

The CA Aug mechbox is pre-upgraded to shot 330. It most likely will decrease from the longer barrel as well.

If you are going to upgrade an Aug for longer range.. Tightbore.. so far its the best upgrade ive done to it. I got the PSG-1 length (590mm x 6.03mm) barrel on it.

yeah, i'm getting one of those soon, with a nice suppressor to go along with it :D

If you need rails on your AUG I recommend RTS. I have one mounted on my AUG and I'm very happy with it.

http://www.evike.com/Merchant2/merch...Category_Code=

It sounds like I should get the CA AUG rather than a TM AUG. Most web sites recommend that you buy the TM's due to their quality of make, anything else according to them just isn't good enough. Is there really a big difference in quality between the two?? Also with the tighter barrel I read that theres a higher chance of your gun jamming. Do you find that true or would this be caused by poor quality in BB's?

TM was known for it's high quality guns, but now a bunch of other companies are matching, if not succeeding that quality. i've owned nothing but CA and Maruzen rifles, and I've never had a problem other than the occasional worn down part with time.

Ok, so just to verify, the CA AUG 1 has a built on scope where as the AUG 2 just has the rail, just like the TM AUG Rail Type cept different make? Thats what I came up with anyways. So according to you CA has come a ways in their quality. Now I'm confuzzled, I figured just get the TM, but now I like the fact that the CA comes with a higher fps rate but I'm just worried that it won't stand up to the abuse I'll probably put it through and I don't want it to start wearing out and breaking down only after like a year of use... I'll have to think about it for a bit and do some more research.

lol i've thrown my aug around enough times, it can handle abuse. my buddy's got the CA15 tactical, and he dropped it on a rock from 20 feet once, no problems.. it's up to you man, i'm a CA lover so naturally i'll tell you to buy a CA. tell you what, make an apointment at the airsoft canada armoury, and have a nice long chat with miles about which brand to buy. you won't be dissapointed in either brand.

lol ya right! I've tried emailing those guys and they NEVER reply! Its quite annoying, and I'm waiting to get age-verified so I can actually buy a gun. Thats really starting to ruffle my feathers... I dunno we'll see. Did your CA AUG come full metal? I just read on a web site that the CA AUG comes full metal where as the TM AUG comes with some metal.

don't get angry at them. they get thousands of emails a day, they'd probably get back to you within a month of sorting. give them a call 416-250-0623, it's quicker and you'll get age verified at the shop.

and yes, my aug is full metal where it should be. takes a beating too, and the scuff marks just wipe off.

Just for the books, is there an AUG Para conversion kit?

ASCA has one. It's just an adapter that you can use your own flash-hider or suppressor over. It's quite similar to the one Hortons Heros has, without the little spacer section:
http://www.ascarmoury.com/product_in...roducts_id=548

The only correct para flash-hider that I've found is the KM one here:
http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct...sp?prodid=3897

I don't think anyone makes the 9mm para flash-hider yet, but then, the magwell adaptor doesn't exist yet either.

Both the TM and CA AUGs are considered full metal. I think the only aesthetic difference is that the CA one has Steyr Mannlicher trademarks.

Actually, does anyone else find it funny that his screen name is G3SG1 and yet he's lusting after an AUG?

Hitler was also confused as to whether he was Austrian or German. :p

Hey hey krazie sj, I still want that gun but I can't find any for sale brand new in canada, so I'm settling with the AUG.

P.S. and I think lusting is to strong of a word for it. My life does not revolve around it.

The reason why the CA Aug is has a higher rate of fire because they come with a high torque motor.
I run at 9.6V, the RoF is nice.

With the longer inner barrel i haven't had problems with barrel jamming yet, but Im pretty sure it will happen. Just gotta make sure you get high quality BB's. I was happy to see that i didn't need to change my cylinder when i got the tightbore.

I never used a CA Aug yet.. i would love to try one out see how the quality differences are.

I felt once time at FR with my aug during the winter time. It did crack the TM body. I run the phantom kit on it so its a lot of weight on the reciever and all the weight of it falling on a rock torqued the reciever enough to put a decent crack along my top of the body.

Both Augs are metal barrel and reciever, with an ABS body (both at 3.5kg)

http://www.ascarmoury.com/product_in...roducts_id=664
http://www.classicarmy.com/photo/731_pi1_webphoto2.jpg

Oh no no no no..... not funny. Ok in a way I want to thank you for finding that gun for me thephenom but at the same time that really ruffles my feathers! I JUST finished shopping for the AUG. UHG!

Nope, I'm sticking with the AUG.

So you wanted to find a brand new G3SG1 and didn't look at one of the two remaining retailers in Canada?

Anyway, I'm probably picking up an AUG in the future as well... and after holding the two, I know I'll be going with a CA AUG A2 (even tho the A1 is soooo sexy). The CA feels sturdier than the TM, even though the TM has better internals, the CA is good too if you don't mess with it, and really you don't need to mess with it.

The build quality on the CA seems better to me than on the TM, even though they're both solid by virtue of their body design.

Well actually I did check all of the retailers that I could find and I did know that CA and TM had basiclly the same guns just their own make and I knew they both had AUG's, but I thought the CA would have been called G3 SG1 as well and seeing as how the site didn't have a picture of the gun I had no idea that it was basically the same gun. As for me not getting it now, I'm a little worried that with airsoft having problems with the customs that I won't be able to get all the things I need for the gun. Where as I can get everything I need for the AUG right off the bat and not have to worry about it. I've also read that the G3 has barrel problems such as wobbling, and I don't want to have to deal with that. AND I'm going to have to go buy a rail and other things for the for the gun and right now, I don't exactly have all that much money to be putting into it. Also the CA AUG seems to have the same amount of power as the G3 and it has the same length barrel and I have not heard about anything wrong with the AUG's they sound like their very well built and can with stand a beating, except for the vertical grip which I am having replaced. On top of all of that, the design is very unique which I do like, I love both designs, but it seems that alot of people have the G3 as is and is known for its sniping ability, so AUG sounds pretty good to me.

Actually I've seen more Augs at games more than G3. And the barrel wobble only applies to TM's plastic G3, the CA one is full metal and very nicely built.

Hey guys, is it possible to take the CA AUG 2 and exchange the motor and gears and stuff inside it with a TM AUG? Just curious.

Yeah, but that's pretty stupid. Newer CAs have been pretty much on-par with TM reliability, plus CA gears and motors are superior to TM's.

So would you consider "new" being the CA AUG 2? Or should I wait till the AUG 3 comes out?

Just so you know for the future, I had a TM G3 A4 and I had no barrel wobble issues at all. Gun was a goddamn tank. Upgraded to shoot 400fps. I regret selling it.

So I'm buying Mongo007's Hydra.

yes it's possible, but pointless. oh, and i dropped my aug hard several times today, most of the times when i ran out of ammo and went to pistol. the fiberglass really does make a difference, there's not a mark on it!

I have a G3 SG1 that I've just put a metal body on and it's one consistent mofo, reliable as hell, really fun gun to play with.

Unfortunately I'm going to be selling it this week to make room for the SR-25 I picked up, don't need two big guns... but I know I'm going to regret selling the G3 already, just needs to be done :(

But yeah, the G3 is an awesome gun.

Hey I'm noticing that theres a lot more upgrades and parts for the TM AUGs than there is for CA ones. Is that something I should be concerned about? Are the CA's hard to find parts for if they break down?

they're all the same parts, different brand.

Oh really? Well you learn something new everyday, actually in my case here, I'm learning all kinds of things in a day, its pretty sweet. Thanx so much for all of your guys insights and knowledge!

no problem. you're probably the first n00b that hasn't been an asshat in a long time.

:S Why would nOObs be an ares hole? They've got nothing to share and everything to learn lol. Or do you mean they think that their better at playing the came than everyone else because their in cadets or been playing paintball for a couple years?

lol you'll see enough noob posts here. anyways, it's time for my bedtime, so cya'll later and have fun on your gun purchase!

Alright, and thanx again! Toodles

Great gun. Nuff said.

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