Bad Gun Fixes...
 

I bought some gun parts and internals and brought them to Manchovie for him to put together. Once I finally got the mechbox back, it didn't work at all. I then took it back to him at ASCA to have him fix it, and gave it to HonestJohn who took it on Manchovies behalf. According to ASCA, they don't have anything to do with Manchovies gun repairs, but he uses thier store to fix guns. In the last 3 weeks, I spoke to him over msn, and he told me he was working 3 jobs, and didn't know if he would have time to fix it. Now he tells me he doesn't have the time. My issue is if he says he can fix a gun in a timeframe, he should do it, and if he's working 3 jobs at once, he should tell the people who come to him for help. I have heard several other stories about Manchovie like this from a few other people, that I'm not going to name here. I strongly advise people who are thinking of having work done by Manchovie to get a firm time estimate from him before agreeing to get the work done, and make sure he sticks to it. I ask the mods to not delete this thread because I speak the truth, and deleting it would suggest covering up a friends mistake at the expense of his "client". I don't have ill will against manchovie, but I don't like his lack of respect for his work.

we had a gun upgraded by bartek not too long ago, and he was spectacular with it. we just walked in when he happened to be working and bam, he said he'd do it right there on the spot. the best part was that he said it would probably take him a week to get back to us, and then he called us the following Monday (we came on Friday). the gun worked flawlessly, and even shot at 420fps a few times (it was usually a consistent 391).

great job, maybe you just got a lemon fix...

thats great for you he had my mechbox for almost 3 months doing the upgrades when he said it would take a week. I paid for a service and for the time frame other wise i would of taken it to someone else that can have it done in the time frame they promise. It also sucks when u expect to have your mechbox back so that you can get ready to play a game coming up but then find out it's not ready cause he is too busy and that he has your money for the work but ends up not doing in the time frame causing you to miss out in your team's games and other ASC member hosted games. now please stop spamming my thread. That is your experience, so how does it relate to my problem

Did you already pay for work done?

If you did, then I'd simply ask for my gun and money back. If it's not already finished, check to see if you can just get your gun back and go with someone else to install/repair it.

This time of year is very busy for people. Christmas shopping, christmas planning, final exams for those who are in university.

When someone asked me how long it would take to get their camera fixed, I'd just give them a rough quote, that's the best we could do, however when someone comes back a week or three later yelling at us telling us that it's been too long, well sorry, but there are other things happening in the world that are not directly connected to your life.

Give it time, or ask for your gun back and fix it yourself I figure.

i understand the time of year but this was dropped off 3 weeks ago and was told it would be fixed by the end of the week that is fine but if Manchovie cant get it done in that time frame dont give out a time frame or do accpet the money until the work is done..

OK, but again, did you already pay for the work to be done?

this is his repair since i put the first bb thorugh it i havent even got to use the gun since he upgraded it

Have you talked to Manchovie about compensation for him not meeting the agreed upon deadline?

If Manchovie would return messages, I'm sure he could ask him

What are your specific technical complaints? Are you sure that your mechbox was installed correctly in your gun? There are many ways for a perfectly functional mechbox to be installed in a manner which causes problems for the operation of the whole gun. It is very difficult to troubleshoot an assembly which has been installed into a greater mechanism by remote means.

Manchovie actually does have obligations to three employers at this time. Usually he's pretty quick with repairs, but stock outages on certain parts may delay his work.

While Manchove does do repairs at ASCA, ASCA does not take responsibility for his work. It's not because we don't trust his work. We're unable to properly deal with the variances in labor charges. Initial job quotes can go wrong when unexpected problems are encountered so we (ASCA) are not able to directly offer Manchovies repair work. It's messy having a mechanic communicate through the store to a customer. It's more transparent to have him deal with the customers and work out quotes directly so we only supply parts for repairs as a third party. Also, employing Manchovie as a mechanic would require that we mark up his labor to the customer. We prefer to not take that margin and offer Manchovie's direct labor costs to the customer which is better for both parties in the end.

Unless you really describe how it malfunction, we can't really say anything. Do you just want us to join your bashing without knowing the situation some more? Did you install your mechbox properly, did you test the mechbox on the spot when Bartek finished it, etc etc?

I have a mechbox with Bartek right now under repairs, he's been very prompt in terms of how the repair is going and what he suggests to replace to ensure the life of the mechbox internals. My experience with him is pretty good so far.

Just understand the fact Gun Doctors aren't exactly full time jobs, it pays a bit as compensation for using up their spare time, but it's nowhere near to be a job to pay the mortgage or feed the family.

hey, sorry about the late reply, and the late repair. krooked atmosphere's complaint is a two parter, there were two labor sessions on his aeg. the first of which was a parts install in a mechbox in which i received a mechbox but no aeg. no testing could actually be performed so i take no responsibility for the results of the upgrade. apparently the gun failed after mechbox install by the client (improper assembly?) so after a few months it came to the armoury complete with gun. at this point there was a fair lineup due to a heavy demand for upgrades/repairs due to the holiday buying season and start of the winter gaming schedule. i was in touch with krooked the whole time and unfortunately had to keep moving back the expected completion date of his gun.
today i found out it was needed for saturday the 23rd (tomorrow) with a fair amount of anger. i offered to drop by the store after my resposibilities and skip his upgrade ahead of those of previous customers so that it'd be ready for his team practise. after finding out the store is closed early due to holidays, i politely let him know and later returned home to find this thread.
i'm not providing an upgrade/repair service to make a million dollars, i figure that it's my duty to the community to contribute. i don't keep my techniques a secret, in fact anyone is welcome to watch me repair their gun. there aren't many airsoft mechanics in this country so i take time out of my busy life (3 jobs, not to mention returning to school in the new year) to do my part for the airsoft community, which i love. if you missed your team practise as a result of being in line i apologize. i have no problem working on your gun, in fact i would love to have it purring and on the field, but if you can't live with me not riding your ass the same way you ride mine you can find another gun smith. i can finish the aeg by next week like i told you or i can return it with your payment, this is zero skin off of my back.
also, what can other people possibly contribute to YOUR experience with me? why not let them talk about their positive experiences (there are hundreds by now) the same way you talk about your negative one? who could possibly rightly contribute if they follow your rules, god forbid they blemish YOUR reputation the same way you're attempting to publicly blemish mine?

i'm sad it had to come to this, and that this thread exists to begin with, and feel bad about whoever wasted his time looking at it.

PS merry christmas

I was there when Brad and Miles were about to close down early for obvious holiday reasons. (After fondling all the fun toys of course) ;)

The problem is not from me installing the mechbox into the aeg i have done plenty of times with my other aegs. I sent Manchovie the mechbox in the begining to get the internals upgraded. I was building a custom gun for this mechbox so all the parts were not in yet at the time of the work done on my mechbox. He then never said anything about wanting a complete aeg to do testing on it otherwise i could of brought him the parts since he had it for 3 months.. when i did come to finally pick up the mechbox from ASCA store i brought the parts the only thing i forgot was my inner barrel and grip. I ended up buying a inner barrel there and he then could of tested it. and in fact i told you about needing this back and running for last week but u didnt have time to do it so give the excuse i told you i needed it just yesterday. I would love to have my money back for the cost of the repair and take it to another gun doctor who would fix this and then can explain what the problem was. and not from installing the mechbox into the body.
so if we could arrange a time when i can get my money back and my aeg they way i brought it to you that would be great

i dont know how to explain the problem with my mechbox. i put the first mag in and flicked the lever to semi and aimed and fired at the target and nothing came out so i was like ok maybe misfeed took themag out and tried another mag still nothing making noise that it is shooting nothin coming out so then i take the silencer off and see if i causing that. tried shooting again and finally it shot something. go again and its shooting fine then i switch to full and it gives a little burst of 3 bbs and i was like ok it works not . switch back to semi to lessen the tension on the spring from full auto and thats when it mad a werid grinding noise and locked right up. it makes a noise when u pull the trigger but no movement of anything in the mechbox. chekced the battery and it is fine then checked the mags i used on my other friends aeg and the mags worked fine. hopefully that explains the problem i will no forsure when i get it repaired.

Gearboxes don't go from working to not-working simply by changing hands.

Are you sure you have properly compatible and appropriate parts for the gearbox, like battery specifications, wiring, motor alignment and height adjustment, hop unit, and barrel interface, etc.? There are a fair number of ways to get a perfectly functional gearbox spinning into shit because of improper reassembly.

When you give someone solely one part to work on, you implicitly state that all other parts that are not present you are fluent with and therefore assume responsibility for post-modification. When I'm given just a gearbox to work on, I assume the person knows how to install it back into the gun properly.

the mechbox was working right when i got it since it was custom built
bartek never tested it or asked to test it.

I never touched the gearbox internals at all that is why i pay someone to do the upgrades

i just know how to do the rest of the gun and have never had a problem like this before with my other guns and friends guns so the gearbox was installed correctly

sounds like motor wasnt adjust correctly to me...

nope thats what i thought and i checked that and it still didnt do nothing thanks though it is something internal

And did you ask Bartek to test it as well?

I'm trying to find rhyme or reason for this thread in the first place. Just from what I'm getting here, you expected above and beyond the call of service. The world of customer service would be delightful if it was like that, however it isn't. Sorry Krooked, but I'm sticking with Manchovie on this one.

I am looking for public mediation and not people siding with one another. I have recieved an reasonable answer from bartek - which is the point of the thread, and I'm are not interested in who's siding with whom here.
I am wanting to make people aware of a bad transaction the same way everyone else does when a deal goes bad. this deal just doesnt happen to involve a sale of an item, but rather a service of an item

Its great that you are friends with Manchovie and sticking up for him but as the post above explains it and i had a problem and a service done and was told one thing and when the service or time frame dragged on pass the time givin i expect a person to stand up to their mistake and fix it. instead of pushing it till next week and then next week

Krooked, I know we've been on speaking terms for a long time, and although we have had dialogue much longer than I have had with Manchovie... I must say, that based on your input in this thread, I would not put any blame on Manchovie. There seems to be further problems in play for your gearbox beyond Manchovie's control.

I have been in his shoes before, and since then, I have always quoted to all my clients that if I just get the gearbox, I can only claim the gearbox itself can work fine (given that I'm also provided with a pistol grip and motor.) If I'm not provided with a gun, I can provide zero guarantees to the functionality of the gun and is only limited to what other parts of the installation are provided to me.

Regardless... from what I've read from this thread so far... for what it's worth: everything said in here could have been solved through private contact. What you did in here was essentially slag him and drag his name through the mud. And for what? As far as I can see, it was for no solid reason. I'd like to see this thread not continue further with the bashing of his name without solid grounds. There ARE situations out there that demand exceptions to the rule, and this looks like one to me based on both your story and his. If this thread continues without any solid evidence, I WILL close it - but will keep it available for viewing for all readers to make their own judgements based on the information provided.

I understand that but the thing is when i came to pick up the mechbox i broought the part to my aeg and the thing i forgot was the inner barrel and i i recall that he did test the mechbox.

I have been in further contact with manchovie and the situation is resolved for both parties. Thanks for the imput

Funny thing is, that actually DOES happen on occasion. I remember Shagg giving me his M4 to install a Guarder FTK into one day, I got it all installed, and ran a good 6-7 lowcaps through it and it worked just fine. I gave it back to him, he test fired it a few days later, the gun cycled, shot a BB, then seized on him. I got it back and went through the fine troubleshooting, found that the grooves on the side of the piston were slightly tight on the rails inside the Hurricane mechbox. That was what happened, the piston got pulled back then seized in place. I used a sharp chisel to shave plastic off the inside of the piston grooves til it slid nicely, reassembled and went through another 7-8 locaps without problems.

My point being, AEGs are afraid of me. :cool:

Hey Groombug there is one possibility that you missed. I wonder what make the body is. He said here that its a custom build so there are alot of people to get bodies from.

We've had trouble with CA bodies when using any other manufactures mechbox. Guns like Testtubes on team OOPS here are made of different companies parts and not that it was impossible just a pain in the butt. But you could take his mechbox out, slap it into any of the other bodies we have and it works great. In the CA body there is a screw/washer thing in the back of the mechbox that you can adjust the position of the box itself. And if its not properly aligned the gun will act the same way yours does.

I don't know much about manchovie or his abilities to fix/repair guns. But he certianly could have that mechbox running sweet and just because its not sitting right in your gun, could make it fire like crap.


My questions are, one you havn't yet stated what kind of gun it is. I assume its a colt by your sig tags, but still would help. Also there are a huge number of things that could be the reason for it not working. Second question is what kind of body do you have? If its a colt, is it a CA? and I can answer your problems right now.

Since you started this topic and now you say it is resolved, could you please post the resolution so that people could draw their own conclusions from this transaction. I'm only asking this because you say that you posted it up as an FYI to the community.

The problem was resolved by me getting back my money for the labour of the install and i didnt want the gun fixed as i will pick it up when they open up at ASCA

So far I've had Manchovie upgrade one of my guns for me. I went down to ASC, he happened to be there, so I thought why not invest some time in improving the internals of the new AEG I just purchased.

Well the upgrade had some minor problems, initially I had wanted to re-use a supposedly compatible V2 mechbox. Had it from a previous AEG and it was already upgraded. Either way what was supposed to be a simple upgrade turned into an all-night affair. But Manchovie was good enough to let me watch the entire time (which is great as I now don't fear disassembling a gearbox) and although things screwed up was willing to spend the time necessary to get the gun working right. Eventually I went home a little later than anticipated but with my gun working and ready for action (still works great to this day).

I wouldn't consider myself a friend of Manchovie's, simply a customer, I found him to be a great gunsmith. Whatever happened with your transaction probably just boils down to lack of clear communication resulting in expectations that could not be guaranteed. Besides the only time he's ever going to want his handiwork to fail is when you're using it against him on the field ;) I hope no complaints like this one make him question his gunsmith service.

well put.

well, this situation just took a turn for the gayer... express-lane straight to turdstown and i'm afraid there's no exits. the true, no bs story is as follows:

-i advise krooked for a few hours and help him choose parts to install in his aeg
-i pick up the parts for him, and recieve his internals in a bag with a request to upgrade the mechbox
-i do the work after some time because i was busy, but kept in touch and returned it to the customer for the standard fee of $40 plus parts. i warn him that i couldnt test and to keep in touch in case he has issues.
-issues arise and the gun is brought to the store while i wasnt around, this was however discussed over IM and a quote for further labor was discussed.
-i get paid for a different upgrade when i return to the store but accidentally think it's prepayment for the repair work on this one (my bad)
-i was told on christmas friday that the gun needed to be finished for saturday so i frantically drag myself to the store to find it closed early for the holidays with none of the owners available to let me in and do the work. my little sister's present buying was moved till after the holidays, merry christmas man.
-i return and explain the situation and apologize over im (krooked was afk)
-i come home and this thread is born
-we discuss what to do, he wants his gun back. no problem. he wanted his money back. no problem (i am thinking it was the "pre-payment"). i realize there might be confusion so the next time i was hassled by him on msn, i asked:

krookedatmosphere@msn.com
2:52

hey

manchovie (extraordinaire)
2:54

yo

krookedatmosphere@msn.com
2:55

so did u talk to the store about e picking it up

manchovie (extraordinaire)
2:55

it's not open yet

55:27
i told you not to worry about it

krookedatmosphere@msn.com
2:55

ok

manchovie (extraordinaire)
2:58

did you leave money for this repair session?

58:44
or did you want a refund for the work i did a long time ago

krookedatmosphere@msn.com
2:59

refund for the work before that u said you wouldrefund since the mechbox didnt function

manchovie (extraordinaire)
2:59

lol my bad i thought you left money with the gun for THIS repair

59:55
i'm not going to refund the last money

00:02
i did the work, it cost me time

00:10
the fact i couldnt test properly was YOUR fault

00:14
that cost me MORE time

00:19
why do i owe you?

krookedatmosphere@msn.com
3:00

do to the upgrade not working

manchovie (extraordinaire)
3:01

i couldve caught whatever problem it was if i had the whole aeg, hence me asking for it the second time around

02:18
sorry man, i owe you nothing. i was going to do the upcoming work for a lower price, in fact you were given a quote when we were arranging it and i was planning to lower it further because it was late

krookedatmosphere@msn.com
3:02

its not my fault it didnt work i was missing a prt when i brought you the whole gun when i cam to pick upp the mechbox so you should of said something then but you didnt so you said if u have any problems to let you know

manchovie (extraordinaire)
3:02

but i was not going to do it for free, nor was i going to return the money for the initial upgrade

02:37
because that's bogus

03:21
i'm posting this conversation in the thread

03:30
it's gone beyond reason

03:33
now youre just bullying me




and there you have it folks. i hoped it didnt resort to it being my turn to complain, i was going to let this thread slide but it's gone beyond the possibility of harming my service to taking money i rightfully earned (this is not a big deal, happens all the time but STILL).
worst of all making me question continuing providing a service few are capable of providing, wasting my time and the time of others (i'm talking hours and hours. you know who you are) and being completely not understanding, approaching everything the way a spoiled child would, expecting fate to shower him with gifts. worst part is that if i had got the whole thing done on time, rush job, repair as opposed to upgrade (can be very time consuming) would he seriously have refused to pay me on pickup? it boggles the mind!

here's the bottom line: there was no second fix. i was not paid for a second fix. i offered to get it running, but we agreed to return the aeg. i owe you nothing, quit crying.

PS merry christmas and congratulations to krooked atmosphere on his promotion to 2nd in command of FORCE 32!!!!

PPS i just noticed the times in the conversation are all over the place. you need not worry, this IS actually a linear convo, completely unedited. my msn client is just a little retarded and i'm too lazy to remove all the times.

That sounds pretty stupid. Labour is non-refundable; Common sense.

first of all that is the full story and you have left out some parts as i can post it when i get home as im at work.

we never agreed on a price or to fix my gun for money you said that you would repiar it due to your mistake and not charge anything so dont go saying that we agreed to anything..
and i told you i needed the gun for this past sat, about 1 week after i dropped it off after you had it for 1 week.. so dont go giving my that shit that i told you a day before i needed it

to continue when im home from work

Date Time From To Message
12/16/2006 6:18:45 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) hey

12/16/2006 6:18:53 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) did u get my email i sent you

12/16/2006 9:21:34 PM manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... yeah

12/16/2006 9:21:38 PM manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... didnt have a chance to check it out yet though

12/16/2006 9:21:46 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) ok how long you think

12/16/2006 9:22:13 PM manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... it's hard to say

12/16/2006 9:22:34 PM manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... a new shipment of propane adaptors came in

12/16/2006 9:22:43 PM manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... so i've had to assemble them and put my upgrades/repairs on hold

12/16/2006 9:23:11 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) ahh

12/16/2006 9:23:20 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) well when u think u will have a chance

12/16/2006 9:24:16 PM manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... next week i'll do my best

12/16/2006 9:24:17 PM manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... esriously

12/16/2006 9:24:35 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) ok

12/16/2006 9:24:43 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (permabachelor
extraordinaire) hopes it not another 2 month thing

12/16/2006 9:24:48 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) lol

12/16/2006 9:24:57 PM manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... dont worry man

12/16/2006 9:25:01 PM manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... it honestly is nuts

12/16/2006 9:25:09 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (permabachelor extraordinaire) i bet

12/18/2006 11:58:23 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) any chance u touched my gun yet lol

12/18/2006 11:58:51 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... this was the first day i got to do some gun work instead of
adaptors

12/18/2006 11:58:55 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... got like 3 out of the way

12/18/2006 11:58:57 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... yours is next

12/18/2006 11:59:08 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) on a tm p90 the piston and cylinder what ones do i use

12/19/2006 12:00:05 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... piston is any aeg piston

12/19/2006 12:00:15 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... cylinder has to match whatever barrel you have inside

12/19/2006 12:00:35 AM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) and its version 2 right

12/19/2006 12:01:06 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... version 6

12/19/2006 12:01:55 AM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) ohh ok

12/21/2006 6:55:22 AM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) any luck with my m4

12/22/2006 3:22:24 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) hey

12/22/2006 3:22:59 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... hey man

12/22/2006 3:23:00 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... what's up

12/22/2006 3:23:10 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) nothin wondering if the m4 is done

12/22/2006 3:24:01 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... nah man, next week for sure if not this weekend it'll be complete

12/22/2006 3:24:18 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) i needed it for tomorrow u had it for 2 weeks

12/22/2006 3:24:49 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... i didnt know you needed it for tomorrow

12/22/2006 3:25:00 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) i told you when i dropped it off

12/22/2006 3:25:03 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... when can you pick it up?

12/22/2006 3:25:10 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) tonight

12/22/2006 3:25:19 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... when?

12/22/2006 3:25:25 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) when is goo

12/22/2006 3:25:27 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) good

12/22/2006 3:25:50 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) when is good for you

12/22/2006 3:26:41 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... later the better? i'm still not sure if i can go to the armoury today to do that gun

12/22/2006 3:27:02 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) how late is good for you

12/22/2006 3:27:14 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) i need it for my team training session tomorrow

12/22/2006 3:28:03 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... call the store at 8

12/22/2006 3:28:12 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... the odds arent amazing that i'll be done or even there today

12/22/2006 3:28:15 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... but there's a chance

12/22/2006 3:28:26 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... that's the best i can do

12/22/2006 3:29:24 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) ok i will call the store at 8

12/22/2006 3:30:03 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) but i hope it is done cause im in dieing need of it and this is bullshit i have to wait so damn long for it (venting)

12/22/2006 3:31:42 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... yeah man

12/22/2006 3:31:46 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... to be fair there is a line

12/22/2006 3:32:05 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) whats the line then

12/22/2006 3:32:08 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... and i am skipping you and i'm goin way out of my fuckin way for you on this
one today

12/22/2006 3:32:21 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... like skippin you forward

12/22/2006 3:32:24 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... and i didnt mean line there

12/22/2006 3:32:28 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... lol so tired

12/22/2006 3:32:35 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... i dont even know what i meant

12/22/2006 3:32:47 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... main thing is that it's not easy working 15 hours a day with 3 jobs

12/22/2006 3:33:00 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... rushing to make enough cash to go to school in january

12/22/2006 3:33:48 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) i work 2 jobs too

12/22/2006 3:34:23 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... lol is either of them heavy outdoor labor?

12/22/2006 3:34:40 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... i just finished my roofing job, never doing that again

12/22/2006 3:34:54 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) i work for a paving company

12/22/2006 3:34:56 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... anyway i'm not making excuses, just letting you know the situation

12/22/2006 3:34:59 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) and then a mechanic

12/22/2006 3:35:11 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) and now im on stand by also for driving plow truck for the airport

12/22/2006 3:35:32 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... oh nice

12/22/2006 3:36:13 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... brb shower

12/22/2006 3:36:17 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) i understand that you work and busy but then there is a time where ur too busy then you shouldnt accpect the work and i would of been hppy for my money back and then i would of went else where to get it fixed

12/22/2006 3:48:03 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... like i said there were people before you

12/22/2006 3:48:11 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... i got a hell of a lot of work done these past two weeks

12/22/2006 3:48:29 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... it's not like i just have your gun sitting at the shop and i spit at it whenever i walk by

12/22/2006 3:48:36 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... i WANT to fix it

12/22/2006 3:49:00 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) ok i understand that there is other people but if u said it would be fixed in a week

12/22/2006 3:49:10 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... so as it stands, it'll probably be done tonight

12/22/2006 3:49:19 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... i'm sorry you had to wait

12/22/2006 3:49:35 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... call the shop at 8ish

12/22/2006 3:49:41 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) will u be there

12/22/2006 3:49:53 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) cause i called today and no one is answering

12/22/2006 3:49:56 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... i hope so

12/22/2006 3:51:54 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... k peace man

12/22/2006 3:51:57 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... gotta get out of here

12/22/2006 3:52:05 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) ok

12/22/2006 3:52:11 PM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) will call u at 8

12/22/2006 8:22:27 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... yo man

12/22/2006 8:22:38 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... i just trucked my ass all the way to the store

12/22/2006 8:22:52 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... carl's not around and i couldnt get inside

12/22/2006 8:22:57 PM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... sorry man, i guess i failed you

12/24/2006 11:01:54 AM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) hey

12/24/2006 11:02:42 AM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) So i was wondering when i could pick up my aeg complete or not complete and if not complete my money back for the labour of the upgrades

12/24/2006 11:03:38 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... you'd have to decide whether you want it completed or not first

12/24/2006 11:04:00 AM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) when would it be complete by

12/24/2006 11:04:05 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere... next weekend

12/24/2006 11:04:35 AM Krooked Atmosphere... manchovie (extraordinaire) i would rather just have it back not complete

12/24/2006 11:06:16 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 alright, just call the store then and arrange a meeting

12/24/2006 11:06:53 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) do i get my money back for the labour

12/24/2006 11:07:16 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 yeah of course

12/24/2006 11:07:24 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 how much was it? 50$?

12/24/2006 11:07:47 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) yes

12/24/2006 11:08:06 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 k, i'll tell the store to have it ready

12/24/2006 11:08:10 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) ok thanks

12/24/2006 11:08:16 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) i sorry iit had to come to this

12/24/2006 11:09:22 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 brian's right btw

12/24/2006 11:09:28 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 you bungled this pretty fuckin bad

12/24/2006 11:09:36 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 that post on asc was completely unnecessary

12/24/2006 11:09:40 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 you do that for scam artists

12/24/2006 11:09:46 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 did i scam you?

12/24/2006 11:10:02 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) no its a post for a service that wasnt completed on time and

12/24/2006 11:10:34 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 dude, you shouldve talked to me about the specific problem

12/24/2006 11:10:38 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 which was that i couldnt get into the store

12/24/2006 11:10:45 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 because they went on holidays early

12/24/2006 11:11:18 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 i went way out of my way when i didnt actually have proper justification for

12/24/2006 11:11:26 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 i did it because i have pride in what i do

12/24/2006 11:11:50 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) i understand that but if something you pay for isnt done on a time frame that was givin you would be mad to

12/24/2006 11:12:48 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 i told you the odds werent good that it'd be done that day

12/24/2006 11:12:52 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 and that i was doing what i could

12/24/2006 11:13:01 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 it's totally different than if i just completely ignored you

12/24/2006 11:13:09 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 and this is what i'm talking about

12/24/2006 11:13:27 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 if you had just come to me on msn and had this conversation instead of posting on asc you wouldnt look like such a clown

12/24/2006 11:13:48 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) it was that it wasnt done for the fri i u had for almost 3 weeks now and when i did get to talk to you u said it would done this weekend and then it

12/24/2006 11:14:15 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) i dont care what i look like i have the right to post about a problem i had and making it aware to

12/24/2006 11:15:10 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) i was not happy with the service i got from you and i posted that

12/24/2006 11:15:34 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 overreaction

12/24/2006 11:15:38 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 but it's no big deal

12/24/2006 11:15:38 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) not even

12/24/2006 11:15:56 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2
IC-Force32 just as long as you apologize on the boards like you apologized to me here so it can be wrapped up

12/24/2006 11:16:10 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) you first had the mechbox for 3 months and then the first time i goto use it, it doesnt work

12/24/2006 11:16:38 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) i have the right to be mad

12/24/2006 11:17:24 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 you have the right to be frustrated. but you have to understand that airsoft is just a japanese replica of a gun that happens to shoot

12/24/2006 11:17:35 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 if they were designed for reliability they would look like paintball guns

12/24/2006 11:17:40 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 shit happens

12/24/2006 11:17:58 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 i wasnt unreasonable with you either

12/24/2006 11:18:09 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 when you asked me questions, i helped you out

12/24/2006 11:18:23 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) so what u are saying is that your work is not 100% that it not reliable

12/24/2006 11:19:29 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 there are two nots in there, youre confusing me

12/24/2006 11:20:11 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 my work is reliable but you can't always count on the parts, it's just the nature of airsoft

12/24/2006 11:20:23 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 notice how i'm not bullshitting you even now after all this

12/24/2006 11:20:56 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 i'm pretty sick of wasting my time though, i have things to do today

12/24/2006 11:21:00 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 this isnt a good time investment

12/24/2006 11:21:13 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) i not saying you are i just saying i was not happy with the service i paid for and thats the bottom line

12/24/2006 11:22:50 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 that's your right, you may have been unlucky with how it came out timewise but there's no reason for you to put the quality of my service into question

12/24/2006 11:23:07 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 it's unreasonable

12/24/2006 11:23:46 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) i havent put it into question

12/24/2006 11:24:01 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 now if you could make a post that the situation is resolved that'd be great

12/24/2006 11:24:12 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 i could do it if you dont want to

12/24/2006 11:24:20 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 it just looks better on you if you do it

12/24/2006 11:24:27 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) i will do it

12/24/2006 11:24:33 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 k thanks man

12/24/2006 11:24:41 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 i'll arrange for your gun to get picked up

12/24/2006 11:24:47 AM Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 manchovie (extraordinaire) ok let me know when

12/24/2006 11:24:54 AM manchovie (extraordinaire) Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 k

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

did you leave money for this repair session?

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

or did you want a refund for the work i did a long time ago

Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 says:

refund for the work before that u said you wouldrefund since the mechbox didnt function

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

lol my bad i thought you left money with the gun for THIS repair

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

i'm not going to refund the last money

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

i did the work, it cost me time

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

the fact i couldnt test properly was YOUR fault

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

that cost me MORE time

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

why do i owe you?

Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 says:

do to the upgrade not working

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

i couldve caught whatever problem it was if i had the whole aeg, hence me asking for it the second time around

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

sorry man, i owe you nothing. i was going to do the upcoming work for a lower price, in fact you were given a quote when we were arranging it and i was planning to lower it further because it was late

Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 says:

its not my fault it didnt work i was missing a prt when i brought you the whole gun when i cam to pick upp the mechbox You should of said something then but you didnt so you said if u have any problems to let you know

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

but i was not going to do it for free, nor was i going to return the money for the initial upgrade

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

because that's bogus

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

i'm posting this conversation in the thread

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

it's gone beyond reason

manchovie (extraordinaire) says:

now youre just bullying me

Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 says:

thats fine post what like i have the whole converstaion from the begging of the conversation

Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 says:

how is that bullying as its was your repair and misconmmuacation on the pickup of the mechbox

Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 says:

?

Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 says:

if you were to have said something when i first picked up the mechbox that you need the parts to test it then i would of waited and not paid you for the work. and you should of not giving the mechbox back before testing it.. thats like me changing a flat tire and patching it and not checking it to see if it is leaking before i put it on a customer's car and sending it out the door to have to come

Krooked Atmosphere 2IC-Force32 says:

back saying it is still flat.


Prove to me the intial quote you gave to me for this repair cause none was giving to me.. so there you are lying about that. dont for get to bring out the part where i brought you my gun in parts when i came to pick the mechbox up and the only thing i was missing was the inner barrel and and hop-up so you said you cant put it togather. but i think that you tested it cause i seem to remeber you doing that i can ask my friend that came along with me. but i was forsure you tested it and said it was good togo just that i need the inner barrel and hop-up to install the rest of the gun which i bought at the store and later returned home to put the gun back togather only and to only find out s couple of months down the road when i went to use it that it didnt work... cause when i was there i sold you the 9mm silencer that you wanted too and that was in my parts with my aeg, correct me if im wrong in anyway

all i want is my money back for the install of the parts as something isnt working right inside the mechbox so i can use the money to give to other gun doctor that i know to fix the problem. you agreed to that and now backing out cause you thought it was something else.

in fact i want the money back cause the mechbox didnt even work when going to use the damn thing that is why i want my money back i spend 300 in parts for the complete upgrades and i want back is the money for the labour that it cost me 50 for the install of the parts

as it didnt work when put into my aeg
what is so wrong with that i dont want money back for the time it took him i want it for the problem with the mechbox

This is a perfect example of the underlying problem... your single post took up 13 pages on my screen. You don't value other people's time.

Statute of limitations should apply there, mate. It's not Manchovie's fault you don't play with your kit for months, and he certainly has no responsibility over what happens in that time.

Moreover, once he hands you the gearbox and you accept it, his end of the bargain is done. You pay, you leave, everyone's happy. End of transaction. He has no obligation to you afterwards. In fact, he had no obligation to test your gun for you upon delivery, because you didn't bring your kit. It's not his fault you packed light. If you want your gun tested and your money shown for bang, then take some responsibility upon yourself and bring your kit there. Given the scale of Manchovie's operation, I don't think he'd have spare gun shells just lying around waiting to be drop-tested, nor could he possibly have all the same parts as your "custom build".

Your analogy with the flat tire would be as follows: you bring in your flat tire, without the rim/wheel in it, and ask for it to be patched up. You pick up the fixed tire, again without a wheel, and take it home. Several months later, you decide to finally mount your fixed tire to a wheel and put it back on the car, whereupon you find it flat. The tire fixer is not responsible for what has happened to the tire in those months between fix and mounting.


Can you prove beyond a doubt that it's the gearbox problem, and not something you did during reassembly?

Moreover, can you prove that you yourself didn't fiddle with the gearbox in between Manchovie's times? How do we know you didn't just bang the box a little too much and now want someone else to tab your mistake?


Uh... because it's the same thing?

Time it took for him to install it is the installation fee. You want the money you spent for the alleged problem with your gearbox, which in other words is the installation fee.

"Prove to me that it was my installation of the mechbox into the body rather than the mechbox itself. When the mechbox was not properly tested by
the one performing the upgrades. Furthur more, had it been made clear to me what was required before hand. A Garage would tell you to come back
with a rim, or try to get you one ordered if you go in to have them put air into it. Mechanics are ussually pretty smart and don't like to sit with a hose
trying to fill up a tire that obviously would not take air. Look, I have no previous statement telling me what was required before hand. Also, a garage wont
accept 20 cars when they only have 2 bays and so on. They will inform you that they are too busy for the day to get to it anytime soon. Not accept the car,
later give you a novel of how hard they are working 15 hours a day and still not getting around to your car cause there is a "line-up." Understandably
schedules change, and airsoft can be a little different in comparison to a garage. But a garage will keep extra parts handy, spark plugs, oil, seals, etc etc.
You'd think in a shop so full of such parts there is not one kicking around?


As stated many times, this is a thread about miss-communication and a deal that to my opinion went horribly south. The gun kept getting put off, and excuse
after excuse came to get it done. A time frame was made, but not kept, a new revised time frame was made, not kept. Yet another revised time-frame was made
and yet again another time frame was not met. If this was a contractor to a house, he'd have some angry clients sitting out front in the cold waiting for
their house. More than enough time was given for him to let me know what he needed. I had given to him the mechbox which he had for 3 months and that was
given back after such a time, and at this point no word of what he would had needed to test it. So after getting the rest of the parts in for the gun, ie.(
pistol grip, stock and a battery for the gun), I assembled it to find that all the mechbox didn't work right. After making contact with him at this point he
said to just bring it back, "Okay cool, get it fixed, no problem right?" By this time most of the gun was assembled anyway so everything was there that he
"needed" and still was not asked to bring anything specific this time. However again it started with the time frames being made and later revised. Instead of
"Sorry, I just don't have the time to do this at the moment, if you want to contact someone else then let me get you back your gun." No, I get "I'm sorry I
work three jobs and 15 hours a day." To which I must ask myself, "If this is the case than why do you accept the airsoft guns to fix if you have no time?"
Really it should be as simple as, "Sorry, I do appollogize, with out such and such parts I really couldn't test it properly at the time and now my schedule
is too packed to really get a look at it any time soon." And then I could just try to find someone who can help me with this.


Then, as stated a number of times now, I come here to make this post to express my frustration with this transaction. We talk some more after, and we both
agree that I'll get my gun back, and my money back aswell. But then I get the message from him that he is not returning what he thought was a "pre-payment"
for fixing this problem. Well, why would I pay him to fix the problem, when I made said payment when I got the mechbox back? Furthur more, why would I pay
a pre-payment to a problem 'before' it occurs. I'd like my money back, because I was promised a service that was not delivered. Most of you stand on the
basis that this is my fault that the service 'he' promissed was not delivered. But, if he had told me that he required these parts to test his work, then I
would have had the ability to get him said parts. But with out this knowledge, how can I be to blame when he tells me later that he never got to fully test
it? Because he never told me to bring in these parts.