Sniper side arm
 

Hello all :)

I'm getting a CA M24 with some upgrades to play in Montreal, and i was wondering what side arm do you recommend?

Also on a side question, what camo should i use for Canada/Montreal games? I have seen people in desert camo but... never seen any deserts in Canada O_o

TY :)

I couldn't tell you from any real experience, but I've heard the TM MP7 makes for a good sniper's side arm.

Anything 1911, and Western Arms. Seriously the best quality you can find in GBBs. I'd even go as far as saying they're the Systema (ptw) of GBBs.

AKM, hands down.

Steyr TMP, but watch out because they break.

Or have someone go along with you and be your counter-sniper and look-out. I have Ken stay by my side and he saved my ass more than once. As for an actual physical side-arm, you might consider something like the Beretta M93R from Maruzen. It's gas, holds a good ammount of ammo and is semi and three-round burst capable. I highly recommend it.

Im speaking from my experience and what works for me. I initially started using the MP5K, small and compact yet provides great firepower when needed. I tend to stick with GBB for those games that I do alot of recce/stalking. For GBB, i use the WA Infinity and KJW Glock 23.

Isn't that a little... y'know... big? Unless you're talking about this : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ankkrinker.jpg

I don't really like Ewbank AKs. Arsenal, and ROB-Arms make much higher quality AKs, and for not much more cash.

The Vet knows what's best. Listen!

Eh, SniperChic, what infinity do you run? 4.3, 5.1, 6? :p

I agree with Aqua on that one, best side arm is someone else walking right next to you with an auto, to spot, cover and in some cases depending how much you love them, leap into a spray BB's to protect them.

I agree with Aqua on his choice a Beretta M93R as well and if I may suggest another choice. A glock 18, its small light weight holds a decent amount of ammo and well, the most important function, full auto. Where in a second you can lay down a spray of BBs to cover your retreat. Either of these two should do that good.

Well I have a APSII SV and I use a MP7 as a side arm and it has served me well except for those times that a guy walks up and mercies you ad all you can do is cry

APSII ..mmmmmmmm

Are those MP7s holster friendly?

you can get a MP7 Drop leg holster from daves surplus and other good surplus stores and there cheap I just use a sling and put it behind me

TM MP7 i think im gonna go for that one.

Anyone used it?

Its decent from what I hear, its got the guts of an AEP though but if you slap someafter market parts in there to spice it, she can sport some mean teeth.

Rocking with that set up on a drop leg holster wouldnt be to bad at all. Kinda sexy actually.

Can't go wrong with a fullsized MP5 with folding stock and a KSC Glock 19 with numerous mags of heavy ammo! (Thanks to Eyeball for the pic! More to come from others.)

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/942/img3220pl5.jpg

BTW, I have to laugh at all the 'romantic' views about being an airsoft sniper I tend to see in forums across North America, from my experience if you follow that path, you are pretty much a small player on the field, when you can be MUCH bigger!

For starters, if you have no radio, you are useless to the team unless you are highly experienced in your game and can act on your own, knowing how your team will go about the mission. Second, you should be geared up to act as a regular 'soldier' when the time comes. Point being, these two examples from yesterday's game:

1/ My spotter (ok, spotters are only there to protect your ass, nothing more, at least as far as airsoft goes) Dracheous and I took off before our team, planned the leastmost likely route enemy patrols might be on, well around from any easy paths or routes. I had my KJW M700 (shoulda had my CA M24, at least I could have reached over 200ft plus more ammo), MP5 with folding stock (360fps with 0.20g BBs, I had a shorty mag and 3 midcaps loaded with 0.28g BBs) and my G19 and 5 mags w/0.28g BBs. We had Foxtail and Arnold behind us as planned, about 100-150ft, I was point and ended up seeing a couple enemy dudes walk past on the trail ahead, maybe 100ft. We hunkered down, stayed quiet, my spotter got sighted and fired at (both of us were in ghillies). We stayed put, didn't return fire, they flanked to our right, Foxtail and Arnold waited and took them out. Because of the firing, two others rushed in to the area of my 10 O'clock, and shot my spotter 15ft behind me. I burst each from about 80ft through brush with 3-4 rounds each from my MP5, they called hit and left for respawn. We buggered off with our two KIA to let them respawn and to stay together as a group since we were compromised. I could have used my G19, but the SITREP called for brush penetration at 100ft or so, and was best to use my AEG.

2/ Later on three sniper teams advanced on a major objective, a comm tower about 100ft form the enemy's main base. We took the objective, called in to our CO that we needed an engineer asap to blow the objective as well as remove the generator which was another objective. Three snipers and three spotters held that area for about 30mins until an engineer and medic arrived. We were receiving fire from the base, and a few times we'd lose our engineer, a sniper or two, and a spotter or two.

Point being, having an AEG on you as a sniper really sets you up to provide dual action in help of your team. Having just a pistol like you 'think' real snipers go with is reducing your team's effectiveness to get objectives and mission accomplished.

KSC G19 FTW! Only with a Enhanced Hammer and recoil spring, metal slide, and .28's and a nice tightbore!

I should have never sold my TM M4 lol :P Never though id get back in the game.

MP7 looks pretty neat, with some upgrades it should serve as a regular gun, and the sniper for scouting/sniping.

I'm also not new to sniping, only difference now... is i'll own my own rifle ^^

Of course i have a radio, after all a sniper primary job is to gather intel. With no way of communication... i'll leave it to that.

About a spotter... tough tough, my friends don't play airsoft (one is interested i might get him to start playing) and since i moved to Montreal not long ago and havne't played airsoft there yet, i can't recruit anyone ^^

So atm it's just me, my sniper, my radio and my gear.

Thx for all the info guys :)

Oh and to add, i always beleive having a secondary gun is good.

A lot of people say that 'once they find you its over'.

Well thats a waste tbh.

And on a second thing, i have been warn that in Canada all teams have a predetermine # of snipers. Dunno if its true (in NY you play with what you have and what you want to play with), but having a secondary gun will be good.

1 sniper 1 spotter

Two man teams for the win!

I love you Aqua, will you have my man lover airsoft babies?

On a side note, i was thinking of getting a silencer for my CA m24, do the KA one's really work? Or are they just for show? Also, any idea what flash hider would look good and fit the CA M24 :D

.. Silencers have SOME effect.. That muzzle "pop" turns into a "mupff" lol

I just bought a WE Hicapa as a side arm... but If I had the money to do it, it would be a MP7 strapped on my leg....

I am in Montreal too... might meet some day... when my? /$%*&/? sniper decides to work properly.

I can only dream of a sexy upgrade mp7 with drop leg holster setup.
From what I heard, the after market parts are decently sexy.

I'm leaning toward the TM MP7 package. Comes with a leg holster, 2 mags, 2 batteries, charger and the gun (duh) for a very good price.

to Kos-Mos: Would be great to meet you :) You live 30 mins from where i live.

M733 Commando and a 92FS. The 733 is compact and versatile, as most spotters run an AR variant and therefore extra mags are handy.

As said in a previous thhread, the CA M24 is very quiet as it is, adding a supressor will only make it longer and really do little else. There isn't much of a pop either.

M733 is very nice, is the TM version good? Marui Colt M733 + hurricane Metal Body (M733)

Ok, thx Stalker, i'll drop the silencer idea and save $50 on that :) Wasn't sure how quiet it would be.
Are 0.25 good enough for the CA M24? It's stock atm, but going to get upgraded to 450fps in the comming month. At 450fps i think 0.30 will be better?

Don't overlook the P90 as a backup. Incredibly small package, great stock gun. Only downside are the awkwardly sized mags (for pouches).

Ooooh yeah the P90 :D I'll have to look in to that!

Even stock 0.25g will be too light. Sure they will fly but yo uare best to go at least to 0.28g. Heavier will work a lot better in it. Besides, often you only get one shot at a target, do you want to risk having that one shot bounce off a leaf or get blow off target? ;)

Look at either the 0.29 Super Grandmaster BBs or the TM Superior 0.30g (both are good for 450fps), but also get a bag of 0.36g Straights, they aren't as good as the previous tow, but in windier conditions you have little choice, heavier is better.

**Testing Avatar**

Ok Stalker, thx for the info.

No problem, feel free to ask more.

BTW, nice avatar test. :D

So the list grows!
P90
MP7
Beretta M93R
Glock 18
Glock 19
TMP

Mp5 K's are fairly small, but theres nothing wrong with a full MP5 with a collapsable stock either. How about a Mac-11? Sure it looks kinad gangsta but well its just another item to consider. Overall Id still take a p90 or MP7 over it though. I got it! dual MP7!

Stalker, thx :D Can you guess where i got the idea? :P

TokyoSeven, nothing is more gangsta than 2 Uzi with long silencers O_o (chromed of course) :P

MP5, MP7 and P90 are all really nice... decisions decisions :D

Problem with the M11 is it's awkward to carry, the accuracy sucks ass, and the mags are long and very heavy (not to mention expensive and difficult to carry as well).

M60, fuck this small and light shit, get your work out and fun all wrapped into one! :P

Kidding aside, you're missing TM Hi-cappa 5.1 on that list, probably the best GBB straight out the box; yeah sure the KSC G19 is great, but not till after the metal slide, tightbore, enhanced trigger spring, enhanced recoil spring and so on. Hi-cappa comes with all the kick and great range/accuracy straight out the box.


And that avatar reminds me of Stalker... and one of his stories, same idea, only. . . well ask him about Quick Pass I.

Sidearm
 

I use a Ak Beta Spetsnaz for the long games If I don't have a partner and a USP compact pistol.

I'd go with an H&K UMP if you can snag one.

Lol

Hey, stock KSC G19 kicks ass as well, don't need all that fancy stuff on it to make it shoot nice, just gotta tighten up the inner barrel and it rocks.

It's a bit.. fugly O.o

So treat it to a day at the spa, fresh new threads, and a Weight Watchers gift certificate.......

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I had to lol on that one:p

Personally, I've got an MP5k as a backup gun, though I've never fielded it as such. It was my primary til a couple weeks ago.

I've got a drop leg holster set up for it, but the downside to using it is that I can't have a mag in the gun while it's holstered. Though the holster I have claims to have been designed for use with an MP5k or an MP7, it's kind of small and doesn't allow you to holster the mp5k with the vertical grip on it. I put the rail kit on it and removed the foregrip, which makes it look awesome, but then it's a pain in the ass to connect the battery.

I haven't fielded my drop leg set up mainly because I don't have a sling for my new primary yet. That and my mp5k doesn't shoot nearly as far as my primary (g3sg1), but it might just be a matter of tweaking the hop up, if not then it should just be needing a tightbore.

Yeah but doesn't the real Scout Snipers use an M4A1 as their backup and defense weapon? Also the British SAS snipers use an SA80 as their primary and switch to the AWF when the time comes.

I'm talking real steel here but if I personally ever wish to use my M24 on a game, I would first build myself something like this: http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...EG-615_cat_WGC Custom AEGs

the MP7 i have owns haha, its so versatile and compact, and i have a few upgrades in it, it now has crazy ROF, and the power, range, accuracy matches any stock GBB or AEG.

heres some of my upgrades:
-Nineball Power Spring
-Nineball Damper Cylinder Head X
-Nineball Piston Head


Check mine out http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=40329

For camo i wear my CADPAT TW n, rifle i used was M4 RIS w/silencer but now i use a L96 n my pistol is still n always will be the socom MK23 w/silencer. my shield err, i mean spotter, i use Heatstroke from TSD.
nuff said.

my friend has a stock MP7, it shoots about 20 feet right now if it feeds at all lol
im sure they did a few revisions, but i think a P90 would be the best compact backup weapon. Light, ergonomic, compact, nothing hanging off the gun to get snagged or caught in your ghillie suit (MAJOR BONUS)
anything else, M4, AK, TMP, UMP, all have mags or rails or cocking handles sticking out the get entwined in your ghillie

MP7 VS MP5 VS MP90 VS M4

@_@

Ok, brand question, TM or CA for the M4 series?

Wierd thing is CA M4 already comes full metal, same fps but its like what $100 cheaper...

The USMC Scout Snipers are equiped with either the M4A1 or the M16A3 for their secondary weapon. Some do as well have M203 GL fitted on their M4's/M16A3's. The spotter would be equiped with a M4A1/M16A3 as well. As for a sidearm, both sniper and spotter would carry the M9 Beretta. As well a few incedinary, frag and smoke grenades.

The gun you're planning to build would be suffiecent but I would recommend a longer barrel. Otherwise...good choice.

I play sniper for my team and my primary is a Tanaka M700 AICS and my secondary is a TM M4A1 w/M203 (which is at the moment torn apart for upgrades and painting). Since my Ghillie interfere's of having a sidearm...I usually don't carry one.

And after about $100-200 in parts to get it reliable as a stock TM M4................. metal body is nice, but having low quality gears, piston, motor, etc. in it really doesn't help deciding, does it?

Ok, then i'll look at the TM M4 then :)
I though CA made better guns...

Am i making a mistake with the CA M24? TM VSR-10 G-Spec would be better? O_o

My brother-in-law had one and had no problems. It was a reliable sniper. He eventually sold it as he is more the go and shoot em up kinda guy than sitting on your stomach waiting for the prey to come to you.

P90. So small you can cram it up your ass. Very Tacti-Cool.

Indeed indeed you are correct and not to mention senseless inaccuracte overkill.

M4 and Beretta M9 is what I roll out with as a sniping spotter.
Looking to get an m203 to put on that M4 to make myself a tincy bit more rounded.

G-Spec is a good gun, but tends to be expensive to upgrade since the trigger sear design seems to be flawed and with heavier springs (such as over 400fps) even upgraded aftermarket sears (sear is what catches and holds the piston back) break after some useage, leaving you to buy a $150+ Zero Trigger and piston set. The rifle also has a loud vibrating TWANG when you shoot it, which you can feel in your cheekbone.

CA M24 is a rugged rifle, accepts APS2 parts, uses an AEG barrel and hop up rubber, and has a bullet proof trigger assembly design which is fully adjustable. Also is very quiet, due largely to the pot metal used for the receiver and outer barrel, as well as the solid composite stock. Downside is that screws will strip out the pot metal threads if used too much or overtightened. Steel threaded inserts (Heli-Coils) and new screws fix that problem for good. Aside from that I've zero complaints about the gun.

Moongoose, thanks alot. That was very informative! Just another quick question; is it illegal to import an M203? Thanks :)

The real deal has been restricted recently (or was it prohibited...?), so I don't think so. There was a sticky somewhere with the announcement.

I don't know about CA M4's, I have a CA G36 and other than some wiring issues the gun is solid. I haven't really heard anything bad about the newer CA guns.

I've been working on Jackel's CA SCAR since he got it, after one game the bevel gear shredded and took out the piston, I replaced the gears and piston, another game goes by and his motor gear unmeshes and ground itself down on the new bevel gear and the piston suffers again. So I installed his new parts last night, works great, fast & quiet as it always did in my hands. He just has bad luck with guns, but CA internals leave a lot to be desired.

cA M24 with upgrades to shoot 450fps... enough? Overkill?

And i still can't find a good scope on Uncompany.com
Anyone have an idea? I'm thinking of not spending more than $100 for the scope + rings.

450fps is plenty. I remember getting a 200ft kill in my first year when my M24 was shooting 380fps, using a 0.36g BB, and full hop up.

Why not look at gun stores for a good scope? Or better, http://www.marstar.ca/ac-optics/index-l.shtm in Ontario.

Real steel scopes are generally better than made-for-airsoft scopes, and sometimes are cheaper.

Ok thx bro. Btw... do you LIVE on the forum?? :p

LOL wtf... those real scopes are cheaper than the airsoft one's... how come? Need a permit? Or i can have them ship to Montreal like if i was ordering a book?

Leaper and Tasco seem like very good brans, suggest anything else?

No I do

5 pages and growing :p

Oh , shit. Well if you decide to dish out some more cash, HV scopes are pretty nice..

http://www.horusvision.com/scopes.shtml

Of course i'm willing to dish out more cash for a real scope. But the airsoft $150 scope, imo is stupid. If it's a real peice then yeah tahts cool.

M24A3 http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/m24a3sws.htm

What do i need to make the CA M24 look like the picture above?

i would recommend eithe the MP7 or MP5K having usded both as back ups, they can hold their own. My MP7 was stock and shot very well considering, makes me wonder what it could have done upgraded!

Mud

I love Barska scopes. Get your scopes on ebay man.

A miracle. No conversion kit exists that would get you even close to that.

That makes me sad :(

Guess i'll buy the real thing then:D

AEP but not the overpriced shitty MP7