Marui or Jing Gong?
 

I cant decide what M4 I should buy as a guy first starting out in airsoft. The guy from Anderson & Anderson airsoft told me that the $378.00 JG would be cheap and break in a matter of no time. And that i should pay 600 for the new marui. What do you guys think i should do. Has anyone used the JG?.

i have 6 JGs, none of them have broken

In my opinion I would buy the CA G36C it has a high cap and for stronger body and the finish on the CA is a flat black wich on the TM is almost brownish finish and it is 10 bucks cheaper.

He Asked for an M4 not a G36.

And Andrew, you should get a TM. And if you can, take a look on CA and ICS they are even better.

Ill take a look. Im still thinking if i wanna go for the M4 or somethign like a mp5. If i order from A&A and im going to have to get an age verification or anything? I am 18 but i just dont wanna go through the hassle of prooving im 18. I have my own credit card im sure that shows im 18.

If i got a mp5 or something id wanan go for a ETF or SWAT theme.

Above all else, consider your overall resources. If you buy a $600 TM, will you have enough money to buy other necessities? If you buy a $400 and it malfunctions, do you have the time, drive and know-how or know people who do to address that?

Not since Much Frackin' Music pre-paid crapstercard. Well, I suppose even before then, there was always credit card fraud or using your parent's card.

Well if i had to be age verified im sure it would say somethign before i went to checkout.

What does this mean, its for the JG M4. Is it saying id need a new charger?

"The battery is stored neatly within the handguard of this gun. Performance is decent at 330fps (.2g BBs). Body is made of ABS. So NOTE charger is 220V so you will need a different charger in Canada!"

The charger is made for outlets and electricity standards over in Asia. For Canada, you'll need a charger made for North American outlets and standards.

Personally, I think you made a mistake not getting age verified and buying from the classifieds. It's not the hassle people always make it out to be and you could've saved a lot of money.

As for chargers, this is your best choice: http://www.bbbastard.com/

Probably, but just to make sure you should email A&A

is there any way i can be age verified without haveing to drive to like toronto or something to say yea im 18..?

or you'll have to buy a plug in socket transformer, those suckers heat up pretty good when used. if you go with JG.

I just bought a CA M15A4 Carbine. My decision to pick CA over TM was the metal body. To upgrade a TM M4A1 to a metal body late is just too $$$.

Just remember, you pay for what you get.

Nope, face to face is the only way. But the savings on just the gun itself is worth the gas, imagine the rest.

Maybe ill look into the CA stuff cause its the metal body i really want. There is a nice package on velocity arms, JG m4 with 6 mags charger and everythign for 600 bucks.

Think of it this way, get age verified and we won't nag you about it in the future. Once you get verified, you gain access to more variety of guns that are either used or new guns at decent prices. I am sure if there are no reps in your part of town, I am certain there will be at least one rep at a game nearest you. Even so, contact the ontario reps to see which one is closest to you and work from there.

also, you can buy your transformers/convertors at say the source/london drugs/etc for roughly $30-40.

MY 2 cents: JG and let the gearbox parts wear out after a while. Then spend $150+ to get upgraded internals that are much better than TM stock.

To really make it worth your while drive down to a game to get verified then you can actually see the gear your looking at instead of miniature pictures on the net.

Yea i guess i could do that.

or send a scanned copy of your photo ID and birth certificate to A & A.

yea, i might get a package from velocity arms and he said i can just show it over webcam which would be better. but that way could work to.

I know a few ppl who use the JG stuff and it's pretty good. If you didn't tell anyone most would think it's TM. It's a good starter gun and would leave you some money to buy some gear too.


I do agree with saint tho. If you can get age verified for $600 you can get a pretty good used gun with mags and everything. Mp5's are usually a bit cheaper than M4's so you could get a AEG with lots of extra's if your willing to drive and get verified.

you dont need to show mark anything from A&A, at least i didnt have to and i'm not age verified. but i'm definitely looking forward to getting age verified.

Andrew

why has no one suggested echo1? also get age varified and talk to some of the importers on this site, they have some good deals on echo1 and jg stuff :P. Tho i cant really say much since i haven't even seen the classifieds yet.

how do you save money by being age verified? i am having the same problem trying to contact my apparent local reps. so far i have no response... =(

Yeah your right the echo1 stuff is good too. It's basically the same as JG just with some minor upgrades. JG makes both. They are usually only a few bucks more too.

Contacting reps online does sometimes take awhile. Personally I find just hitting a game the best way there is always someone at a game who can verifiy you.

Your in markham too which is close and there are allot of players in the area who you will get to know when you start hiting up games.

age verified gives access to much better deals on the ASC classifed lisitings of gun sales.

I would go for a TM or a CA for the simple reason that, admitting you get age verified and you want another gun, selling a TM or CA will be easier and faster than selling a cheap gun.

This is my opinion but it goes along with the general idea of getting age verified.

JG guns average 300$-325$ each, for one.
Used gun packages are hundreds under their build cost.

echo1 are jg guns but with upgraded internals and you can get one for like 310

Why do I see myself dropping alot of money once I'm age verified.....

You will it's the way airsoft works. You start by telling your selft you only need 2-3 guns.

10 guns later, your girlfriend left you, your eating bread for dinner, but at least your well armed.

The JG M4 that my wife has shoots at 350fps with .25's and has fired almost as many rounds as my CA M15 and is still shooting while my M15 is waiting parts to get it running again. Amazing how a $300 gun has outlasted my $700 gun.

echo1 also has better quality checks and an actual warranty

Lol nice man, yea i have a good feelin about the JG ones. Im going for it atleast for my first gun, then in a while ill move up to somethign bigger and get a pistol just as a secondary.

Hey grey fox, i got a guy on ebay that wants to sell me a echo 1 m4 brand new for 295 bucks except he sais it comes with the orange tip. Hes getting it from the states then his family helps him get it across. He gets them across to iv seen all his other guns.

so illegal stuff then?. and fyi all airsoft guns in canada require an orange tip. You better off paying an extra 15 dollars for one thats legally brought into canada.

you mean USA.:p

you dont need an orange tip in canada?

no, only in usa. Which is yet another reason why Canada is cool.:D

btw to repaint the tip ~$10-15 for paint and paint remover.

my mistake. Canada is still lame because of prices :P

SInce he's so freakin' hellbent on importing his guns, let him. When he'll get his notice of seizure from the CBSA, he'll realise the cost of trying to save a few bucks...

Well as much as I support surebet's comments, the fact how airsoft is diminishing already, we don't need more news on the headlines. Just imagine "illegally smuggled replica guns pose threat to civilians", sounds great huh

Who would get introuble me or the guy acually importing it then selling it?. Right now im messaging a couple people to see if they can get me the gun from here and not over the border.

If they're not in the retailers supported by ASC, they're not liscenced.
If they're not licenced, they can and eventually will be raided.
If they get raided, they get your personnal info.
...
Fucking profit!

Instead of trying to save very few dollars, why not support the established retailers?

It is not illegal to not have he orange flash hider in U.S., it is only necessary when shipping

+1. Stop being a cheap bastard, get age verified, and either order from a Canadian retailer or off the ASC classifieds. You'll get a gun you know that works perfectly legally.

would people please stop telling me to get age verified lol, i dont have time to run aruond and do that right now. I am NOT going to be buying from the classified therefor right now there is no need to get age verified.

i am not ordering it from the states, someone else is and then im going to pick it up fro them, i dont care where the gun comes from aslong as its good and works, its a private sale i wont get into any trouble if anyone does it will be him. I just want a gun that works and is good. If i want somethign from the classified ill get age verified.

Not that I'm supporting him, but age verification takes quite a while. I got age verified by an age verifier more than 3 weeks ago and it still hasn't been reflected here yet.

Fine, you don't want to be age verified, we'll continue to treat you like an adolescent. For all we know, you provided us with a false identity. If you are caught in the possession of an airsoft toy in public (meaning your backyard as well), you could be penalized extensively. Ok, so if say you want to go to a game... let me get this straight, if you can drive to a game, how hard is it to get age verified?

"Private" sale or not, if I were the guy and I'm getting thrown into jail, I'm bringing you with me. The person who's selling it can and most likely will drag you down with him so he could get his charges minimized. He will try to save his own ass before he saves yours. Don't think if he's caught that you won't get any charges placed against you. Because this whole plan was to smuggle it into the country, smuggling is smuggling and that's theft.

We have retailers with licenses so they can bring in guns into Canada. Even so, they can only import so many in depending on their terms. We're just trying to save your ass if anything does come up.

You can't view the classifieds section unless you get age verified first.

Just contact the rep again and/or one of the administrators of this board.

Ok well can someone here help me. find me a link to a canadian retailer selling an echo m4a1 cause i cant find any in the link above.

http://aasurplus.ca/airsoft/product_...67e2ffdfee9ee0

there a link

Echo1 = JG, since the warranty of Echo1 guns can not be easily redeemed in Canada.

ken over at 007airsoft.com can specially order one for you, just send him an email.

FYI, they are available in the classifieds for less than what the retailers are charging, but whatever.

If you ever want to order an item that is not listed on the retailer websites, e-mail them. Unless it's some kind of uber rare item, they'll import it for you.

Tried, multiple times. Just have to have patience :) I'm not in a big rush, I'm verified on JOC and I like to deal locally anyway or through retailers, but it'd be nice to be able to take a look every now and then.

That is strange, I verified someone a few weeks ago and they had access in a week.

Maybe I just got left high and dry :(

Naw, it can take some time. It took mine about 3 weeks to go through. Just be patient.

echo 1 has better internals then the JG, and i beleive alot more of it is made of metal then the JG but i could be wrong on that one. the reveiw for the echo 1 m4a1 was great as well.

echo1 has upgraded internals making it more reliable doesn't it?

I just spoke to a guy whos a cop and hes teling me its not illegal to bring the echo 1 gun over by anymeans, canadian customs just doesnt like it because it looks like a real gun and have the option to take and destroy the gun but will not press charges...:S

Yes the echo 1 comes with a gearbox a little bit stronger then the Tm supossibly and CA gears.

I've read that somewhere as well, the Echo is basically a JG, but they upgrade the internals a little and have better QA.

I've got an Echo G36C coming to me in a couple of days, I'll let you know how it runs.

my cousins JG has Lasted longer then his Brothers Echo1 M4

The upgraded internals include a higher rated spring, and I assume steel bushings. As for gearbox quality, the TM GB is built to a much higher standard, much better QC, and I would trust the TM gearbox over a JG one anyday. I've heard that most of the China guns are shimmed and greased pretty badly, and both should be re-done in short order if one wants the gun to last.

would you trust a JG/ECHO with a drop in system M120 mechbox or a TM? Tm's last since they are only shooting 280, put in a M110 or 120 with nothing else and you will see problems-for the same money I think I would rather have the systema internals with a metal RIS. You are right that the shimming/grease should be checked.

when i hold my cousins JG and his Brother Echo1 JG feels Heavier

An Echo/JG costs about 2/3 the price of a TM. I agree with trevor in that if you plan on upgrading the internals, you're better off with an Echo/JG as they are cheaper and the money you save can go towards upgrades. Echo/JG are compatible with aftermarket parts afterall.

Irrelevant.

It is a punishable offense to try and import prohibited items.

Or smuggle...

+1 to the both of you!

andrew, I know we all seems like such jerks but I mean, we all want cheap goods, hell I'd do it if it wasn't illegal. Think from that view point. Everyone here knows more about importing replica guns so we try to warn others about it and by reading the FAQs, it will give you a good idea of how the importing laws work within Canada; not to mention nobody here will sell you guns if you're not age verified.

so true, but if your parents are gonna be buying you a gun, it all comes down to what looks good to you and what your style of shooting is, but TM makes quality AEGs from what ive heard, so maybe save up for one of those... you cant go to an event until you have all your gear anyways, but if you save up and buy a quality gun, it will be that much more satisfying to upgrade it and take it into combat.
just buy one you love, spare no expense, and upgrade and personalise the shit out of it if you can

you can hit up games with just a gun and play in civs. May stick out in the woody part, but fun to play.

Please do not encourage illegal behavior. I mean, you can all do what ever you want, but your parents can't legally transfer you a replica as a minor.

Getting guns while being a minor is more than just borrowing daddy's credit card.

can you really? thought you needed to dress in camo?
guess it depends on whos hosting and what the event is about.

oh well, i know you need head proctection either way :P cuz if they let you play without goggles or masks, thats just irresponsible...

lol, didnt mean to "encourage ilegal behaviour" but obviously if he cant order it, and he wants it bad enough, hes gonna get an adult to buy it... though obviously legally he cant use it without adult supervision, that doesnt mean he wont, i see it all the time... damn 10 yr olds playing with guns, and dont even know how to hold them, dont use any protection... so i dont need to "encourage" anything.

That's how it read. The same don't-discourage-they'll-do-it-anyway can be said for alcohol.

Id just like to clear up, im almost 19 years old im buying the gun myself. I work in scarborough...the guy is buying the echo 1 m4a1, he is haveing shipped to his house. He is then going to call me and i will go pick it up myself and give him cash for it. All the guns here are like 300+ and i dont wanan spend that much on just the gun itself. The echo 1 is better then JG and its cheaper then the JG M4A1. I will get age verified when i have everythign i need..im starting to get the bits and peices for my US Ranger look. My friend is a US ranger and so hes given me the list of everythign he has so it should look good. ebay is great for some of the stuff you just have to make sure its not a knock off.

Why would you wait until you get everything you need to get age verified?

Well im ean the basic stuff...gun...bdu...glasses and stuff. Im not going to be buying anythign from the classified's. So i dont see why i have to be in such a rush

We've been over this already. Do what ever you want, it's not like we can stop you.

But...

It still doesn't mean it's legal.
It still doesn't mean you can't face repercussions if you friend is caught.
It still doesn't mean you will find approval for your behavior.

I mean, I'm pretty pissed myself that I have to beat this dead horse, and I'm usually more pleasant. Look over my other posts, I like to consider that I'm helpful in every way I can.

Fact of the matter is, you are going against one of the canon rules of ASC. Do it, don't do, fine. Just don't try to defend an illegal act.

There's just nothing more to say about this.

awesome thanks, we've all done somethign illegal. Its not like a criminal buying a toy gun. Yea sure i guess its wrong but what harm is it doing people? I dont think its any different then you guys drinking before you were legal to. Anyways off the whole legal/non legal topic i think this thread is getting lame. Thank you everyone for your imput on which gun was better.

Was going to post that, but a quote should suffice.

wait, if you are 19, why not save up the extra cash to buy it from a canadian retailer, and then niether you nor your friend need to worry about seizures and legal issues its rather simple really, if youve read other posts, youll see that its apparent that most people consider echo 1 to be an inferior or low end brand, so back to the origional question you asked "marui or jing gong?" its rather simple, if you are legal age, buy TM from 007 or buy JG from A&A up to you.

and i know im not a good person to say this since im only turning 17... but you dont actually need anything to get verified... they dont care what you look like or what gear you are using, they just want your id and age, so just grab that shit up, get your gun and go to a game that has verifiers attending, simple as that

A&A is the only retailer that has any guns in stock. 007 will order what the customer specifies.

By the way, is this you?

http://stage6.divx.com/user/wiinter

indeed it is, so you use stage6 too then? i mostl just watch bleach episodes on there... better quality movies usually than youtube

Shit, I don't even J walk...

It boils down to this: would you go on a bar tenant forum asking how to sneak in if you were a minor? Or ask how to obtain a firearm on Canadian Gun Nutz if you weren't properly licensed?

You're facing backlash because, as I said, you're going agaisnt one of the core principles of this community.

Oh, and FYI, if you get age verified, there's an echo1 M16 in the classifieds right now for 225$ shipped.

Anyway, good luck in your airsoft projects!

lol, niether do i, my friends think im crazy cuz i seem to be the only one of us who can read a traffic light... and always refuse when they tell me to throw my garbage on the ground :P lol guess some people are just compelled not to do break the rules :P that is, if you know them...

I just bought a gun from a local guy and he bought it from a canadian retailer so you guys dont have to to call me a criminal anymore lol

My JG Review
 

recently purchased a JG M4A1. Couldn't be more happy with the performance. Yes you have to buy a charger (if you don't have one) as the charger that comes with it is from china (doesn't work here).

The gun looks good, it uses a hard plastic that seems to be durable enough to withstand quite a bit before anything happens, the only thing I can see happening is the tabs snapping off eventually.

First chrono measured at 383 fps, no upgrades just stock out of the box, using .20's. After some initially adjustments with the hop-up system the rifle shot straight time and time again. Battery life was also I big bonus. Went through approximately 1500-2000 rounds through the day and still had plenty of battery life left at the end of the day. I was using a Intellect 8.4v 1400mah. As pointed out by a fellow player, this rifle would give better bush results using the .25 bbs, but .20's worked good as well. The barrel has a slight wobble but, as do many other brands of M16’s and M4’s, nothing to worry about, performance is not affected by it.

For upgrades, initially I spent $375 on the rifle, and now will buy a tight bore inner barrel at 604mm to give a little bit better performance. That will be about it for now, maybe at the end of this season I may buy some metal bushings and gears. I wouldn’t suggest upgrading the spring for two reasons, one being that the weapon itself is mainly plastic therefore your bushings and gears may run down a lot quicker then before, and secondly this rifle shoots anywhere between 330fps and 390fps, stock. A lot of fields have a 400fps rule for AEGs, so you upgrade your spring you will most likely exceed that fps.

I’m happy with my purchase, save the $200 and get a JG, if you want then you can use the $200 and spend on upgrades. Good luck in whatever you do.

I agree with him

I just got into airsoft and bought two JG airsoft guns 1. the M4-System and 2. the g36c

i have to say that the m4 s-system is an amzing gun! once you buy a nice red dot sight and put it on the gun it looks pretty sweet! i havent tried the JG regular M4 but im sure it is still pretty great. but you get what you pay for and you cant go wrong with a TM

hope it helpS!:p

remember thats 200 worth of upgrades + some upgrades you can buy from the states to save money

Doesn't matter, the mechbox is metal.

should i get the m16a4 echo 1 or the echo 1 m14

im new here and id like if some people could help me out.

Ok, I'll bite... Country of residence and age please.

Blood type and colonic map please.

Blood test results and phone number please?