JG/Echo 1 or Dboys M4A1
 

Dboys recently have the full metal 2007 version M4A1 and I was thinking of getting that besides the JG/Echo 1 M4A1. Which would you think if you handled both would be better in performance or realism? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

The Canadian user base does not have much experience with these, we mostly use high end guns.

You might want to look up a more local ressource.

neither... they have V2 gearboxes!!

haha J/K

Dboys doesnt have much going on. They dont have many reviews out so its hard to say if they would be better... but they are deffinatly in a different price range than the JG guns.
And i know for a fact that the JG guns shoot well. There are lemons... but you can always make lemonade right?

search youtube for Dboys and see what comes up.

What, by tossing them in a blender, selling the drink and buying a CA with the profits?

*shitgrin*

haha... what i ment was... if something breaks... you still have a metal body... So build something good outta it

Dboy gearboxes arent the best, they shoot about 300fps and when you open them up, its like dissecting an bug theres gross multicolored greased everywhere. the hopup also blows gonads. the outer body and motor arent to bad, but eh you get what you paid for right :)

Thanks for all your responses. Because just the fact that I prefer metal over plastic and since the Dboys have a full metal body and I'll probably won't shoot it much so the gearbox should not be that big of a problem for awhile so I just bought the Dboys 3681M. And Down-side is right if it does break down I'll probably replace the internals or buy a JG/Echo 1 and put the metal body on it.

were did you order it from

At pointact.com in the U.S. They sell them at $128 which compare to other retailers who sell them at around $140. They have great customer service and responded to my e-mail very quickly.

Cancel your order quick. A U.S. store will sell it, and be helpfull, but what they didn't tell you is that your gun will get siezed at the border. You will lose your money.

lol, this is going to be funny. hope he isn't canadian.

Yeah I thought of that before I bought it but fortunately, I have a house down at Bellevue Wa, (about 10 miles east of Seattle, Wa) and my airsoft will be shipped to that house by UPS and I will then be heading down their after the weekend to pick it up.

pick it up and go where? you do realize of course it will be seized if you try to bring it accross.

That would be even worse. If you don't declare it at the border, and they find it, you are then smuggling. This is much worse than just losing your money. Try cancel your order, it will save you much heart-ache.

pick it up and stay there, I actually do live in the U.S. but have family on both sides of the border, I'm on vacation most of the summer and I drove up north to be with them and I'll be heading back down to the U.S. in a few days and be greeted with the always friendly delivery man holding my M4 safe, and unseized.

no, try to cross the border with it, I'm sure the border agents will be understanding and skip the cavity search. :)

look up my review on this website. trust me... get the dboys FULL METAL!!!
TRUST ME. ITS AMAZING

I own a JG M-4A1 with a systema inner barrel and I have no probs, great gun.I am converting it to full metal.

Very Nice. Have it for six months now. Dboyd M4A1 BI-3681 $128.00 USD.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2245/image023nr5.jpg

LOL imo they're both equally as crappy, so what company's name do you want on the side? lol
Can't go wrong with TM if your on a budget

Considering lately JG are metal (some not all) + TM internals (or similar) and half the price i'll say you can only go wrong with TM :D

My friends JG MP5 RAS performs exactly the same as the TM variant, except it shoots a bit stronger and its full metal. A lot cheaper also. TM needs to up its game if it wants to stick around. JG aren't the only 100% TM clones that performs the same for a lot less ether.

Dont foroget ThunderCactus, with respect to whats on the outside, you gotta remeber whats running on the inside too.

CA metal gears for the JG i poped open. Piston was deff not CA (at least it didn't look like the CA piston head that was in my SR-25).

Yeah i'll say it again, TM needs to up their games if they want to stick around. To many clones that performs the same for a lot less money. And its not for 1-2 month, more like 6-10 month and sometimes more.

Every AEG I own gets a nice new shiny systema red polycarb piston. Gears I dont mind keeping whatever is stock, the only thing I would consider using for a swap out would be modify gears. But I usually just leave it as is, as my upgrades dont require much more than a good spring guide, and spring guide. The pistons just cause for fun.

RANT

the thing about clones is, they are clones. If TM and other companies dissappear, so do the new guns. Also i find that the internals of TM guns, although not as 'peppy' are still the most reliable. Lastly TM makes guns for a japenese market, where FPS is not the goal, longevity is, the clones however are made for a more 'american' mentality of > fps = better gun

/RANT

Its true, shifty51 has a point, you only need to touch your opponent with the BB, not punch a hole through them.

This makes me wonder how the JG HK416 I have ordered (see AEG sales section for those of you who are verified) will hold up. I hope I don't get a lemon and wind up with a broken mechbox on its first fielding - Chinese quality control is somewhat of a concern for me.

Mind you, it IS only $360...

Theirs only one important thing when buying a clone. Is it a 100% clone of a big brand gun? If it is, you got a winner.

Why? heck if something breaks you can stick parts compatible with the original, hence why JG are awesome, 100% TM Clones. If it fits on or in the TM one it fits on the JG with zero modifications :)

THAT makes a clone good.

Ooh, I dont know I think we shall be fine Wilson. The seller stated that he gave it all a testing before when he first got them. I'll probly crack it open when I get it, max sure its greased properly, swap out a few of the parts, maybe , maybe not, its all dependant on what first impression it makes when I put a few rounds through it.

Over all though, I think we should be ok.

I heard bad things of those red polycarb pistons, I had one crap out after only a few thousand rds. Now Im changeing my entire fleet to deepfire all metal theeth piston.

I heard it was the black ones that crapped out, haha. But I believe the red and the blacks are identical exept the materials they are made of and the red ones are supposed to be sturdy. I'll let you know when I get to a few thousand rounds, that maybe another couple years.

there are many reviews on JG guns which mostly states the internals are fine its just minor cosmetic defects most of the time. (ie. loose front end, fixed by tightening the screw. a scuff here and there etc)

i'm so jealous that you guys get to be on that order haha.

Im sure hes got more comming in, we just happen to be at the right place at the right time, atleast with ours you can get all the details first, cause theres bound to be some juicey talk once one of us gets theirs.

yeah i missed the train, so i'm gonna hop on as soon as another order commences. let us know how the order goes, in 3 weeks time.

Hopefully mines here in 2 or 3 more days, if not tomorow. But well its Canada post so for all I know, probly a few more days.

although jg might have good internals, 80% of them have plastic bodies. where as dboys has metal or steel bodies making tham easier to work with because your not peranoid about cracking the gun while your working on getting it open.
all im saying is that you can work with the dboys guns a lot easier.

Yeah but then you would go to bed every night owning a dboys and Im just not ok with that.

Just because its got more metal doesnt mean its better. Your Dboys maybe metal and you may think its the greatest thing ever. Good for you but please stop parading around these forums claiming its a god given gift to airsoft. Dboys is at best a low to midgrade company even in the states, and if they are considered low/midgrade in the USA we consider them even lower grade in Canada.

The reciever on my TM M4 RIS is plastic, its been plastic for over 3 years. Ive fielded it many times, been shot in the gun many times, its been opened many times, upgraded and downgraded without any issues.

You cant line up a ford festia next to a volks wagon and say its better.

sorry

However, TokyoSeven, its not always the case that TM is better than D-boys.
Yes, I agree with you that TM is better than D-boys in STOCK form. However, if you like to do projects on your AEG, D-boys is indeed a better buy. :smile:
I have owned both a G&P and D-boys M4A1. G&P (which copies mostly from Marui) is a good stock gun, but I uss my D-boys to most airsoft games instead. I have swapped most of my gearbox internals (except the gears, tappet plate and nozzle) for Guarder, Systema and Prometheus reinforced internals, and it now outshoots almost every Marui guns (I conducted the test with TM M4 S-system, M16A2, G-36C, and AUG), while the price is just slightly more expensive than the guns listed above in stock form.
If you like a good stock gun, I have no problems recommending a TM, G&P or an ICS M4A1 to you, but if you really want a project gun, D-boys is a better buy.

Yea, but at that point it's no longer a DBOYS gun ;)

Oh, and in case you didn't realise, the last post on this thread before yours was nearly a year ago.