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airsoft*** August 21st, 2007 10:09

Sniper Rifle
 
I am looking for a good sniper rifle, and i have a choice of Double Eagle or Crossman. But i am not sure which one to get someone plz help

TokyoSeven August 21st, 2007 10:19

In airsoft, sniping is a thing that is regarded as very difficult, and depending on your views of the game, also very boring at times. The thing about airsoft sniping is that sniper rifles are often more powerful then AEGs, although in a shoot out an AEG will win hands down over a bolt action rifle. As it stands many people feel sniping is something to be taken very seriously and should only be done by those who have had proper training or alot of experiance, due to the fact that serious injury may arise.

Essentially what Im trying to say in a polite manor is, dont get a crap soft sniper rifle. Save your money, go for quality. You will appreciate it later on. Read all the info you can find on this site about sniping and reviews of diffrent kinds of guns. In the end patients is rewarded.

Greylocks August 21st, 2007 10:41

Just in case you think this can be done cheaply, think again: a decent sniper type rifle for airsoft will easily cost well above $400. Maybe less if you get your age verified (prove you are over 18) and then look in the Classifieds section of this site.

As said, do NOT buy a piece of crap, you will regret it if you do. For the rest, I strongly suggest you start by reading the Newbie Guide in the Information section.

If you dont live in Canada, some of those rules will not apply to you. Please complete your user profile so local people can give you better information.

medhatboy August 21st, 2007 11:52

Tokyoseven is right about the boring part, my brother in law is our team sniper, at one of our big op games we had, he fired a total of 9 shots the whole day where as I got off about 3-4000 shots. He also paid close to $900 for his sniper rifle.

Lakonian August 21st, 2007 12:40

zomgwtfbbq! I want to pwnzorx noobs with ma snipaer. I'll be all.. stealthy lyk.. camp, n' shit. Get some headshots.

Pwn you noobs l8r.





lol..

iceman3994 August 21st, 2007 12:45

Bieng a member of the Edmonton Based Scout/Sniper team there is a lot of sitting there waiting and waiting. We send intel back and most times in a game you get maybe 3-5 shots in. That is best case scenario. This is something not everyone can do.

www.edmontonscoutsnipers.com

Non Credo August 21st, 2007 12:49

Just my opinion, but though I know sniping sounds attractive, yknow all lone stealthy killer, I'd go with an assault rifle. No sniping. Because the fact of the matter is that, not only for the price of a quality sniper rifle can you purchase multiple other rifles, but airsoft sniping is, as far as my experience goes... bullshit. No matter how fast you can get a 6 or 8 mm pelet going it is never going to have the power or mass to stay on target at long range. Over short distances, my L96 is as accurate as any of the .308 real steel I've fired, but at those short distances, you might as well just go with an assault rifle. So my advice - get a nice full metal AEG, with some upgrades and add-ons and what not.

Cushak August 21st, 2007 12:56

I've only had one chance to use my Type 96 in a game yet, I hadn't had the chance to tweak/properly sight it in yet, and I was already outranging many of the AEG's at the game. And got it used and upgraded, but it still cost me $1000.

iceman3994 August 21st, 2007 14:11

I know my KJW M700 has more range than some of the upgraded AEG's out there. With the proper wieghted bb's and such and the time and money to get it where you need too, sniping can be fun. However it is expensive when you get the gun at about 500+, a good scope, bipod, ghillies suit, etc.... you could be looking at a good 1200+

Skladfin August 21st, 2007 14:34

BBs even cost like hell because of their quality.

CDN_Stalker August 21st, 2007 14:46

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Originally Posted by Skladfin (Post 523455)
BBs even cost like hell because of their quality.

Ya, $20-30CDN for a box of 500 rounds. That'd be the Maruzen Super Grand Master 0.29g and the TM Superior 0.30g. Both are excellent BBs, and perform better when you wash the packing oil off them.

Skladfin August 21st, 2007 15:33

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Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker (Post 523459)
Ya, $20-30CDN for a box of 500 rounds. That'd be the Maruzen Super Grand Master 0.29g and the TM Superior 0.30g. Both are excellent BBs, and perform better when you wash the packing oil off them.

ur supposed to "un-lubricate" BBs?

I thought lubricated ones were good?

Paradise August 21st, 2007 15:50

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Originally Posted by Skladfin (Post 523474)
ur supposed to "un-lubricate" BBs?

I thought lubricated ones were good?

Your suppose to wash your BBs because am sure we all know that BBs come with a slightly lubed surface to reduce friction and feed easier. By washing them you can remove the oil or lubricant this makes the hop up more effective so u can use a lower hop up setting which means there’s less interference with the bbs path making a more stable flight....

I think lol

Lawdog August 21st, 2007 16:17

The other drawback for sniping for a beginning player and that you do not understand the game well enough to be really effective at the role. The shots a sniper fires should be carefully timed and placed, and one simply does not have enough knowlege to know how to achieve these results without playing for some time.

I'd reccommend gettting a good AEG and playing as a rifleman for some time so you can come to understand the ebb and flow of the game, and the key moments and places so you can influence them as a sniper.

LD

ThunderCactus August 21st, 2007 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by airsoft*** (Post 523296)
I am looking for a good sniper rifle, and i have a choice of Double Eagle or Crossman. But i am not sure which one to get someone plz help

i think your under the impression sniper rifles have ridiculous advantages over other airsoft guns

Styrak August 21st, 2007 17:04

Hey, they do in Counter-Strike, so why not airsoft?

*rolls eyes*

CDN_Stalker August 21st, 2007 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paradise (Post 523478)
Your suppose to wash your BBs because am sure we all know that BBs come with a slightly lubed surface to reduce friction and feed easier. By washing them you can remove the oil or lubricant this makes the hop up more effective so u can use a lower hop up setting which means there’s less interference with the bbs path making a more stable flight....

I think lol


Bingo. Works great too, just it's not the best idea to use those BBs in AEGs. Bolt actions are fine though and greatly benefit from dry BBs in both accuracy and consistancy.

ThunderCactus August 21st, 2007 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 523512)
Hey, they do in Counter-Strike, so why not airsoft?

*rolls eyes*

wanted to make a counterstrike comment myself lol
buy an M249, it's the heaviest and most expensive, therefore the best.
Nobody insults your sexual orientation when you buy an L96 so it's not as good in airsoft as it is in counterstrike

Skladfin August 21st, 2007 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker (Post 523523)
Bingo. Works great too, just it's not the best idea to use those BBs in AEGs. Bolt actions are fine though and greatly benefit from dry BBs in both accuracy and consistancy.

How do you wash it?

just water? I don't think water can wash off lubricant.

use kitchen detergent?

CDN_Stalker August 21st, 2007 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin (Post 523584)
How do you wash it?

just water? I don't think water can wash off lubricant.

use kitchen detergent?

Double bingo, use dishsoap and warm water for regular BBs, let soak and stir every few minutes, then rinse in warm water until there are no more suds, then let dry fully before use.

Graphite is more labour intensive, I soak in cola for 20-30mins stirring every 10 or so, then load into a wool work sock and wash a few times with normal laundry, rubbing the sock in your hands between each wash. When you can rub a couple BBs on your jeans or a white cloth without leaving a skidmark, they are ready to go after they dry fully. Graphite has the same effect on hop up rubber as oil does, and the less friction you get on the hop up (because of oil or graphite build up), the more hop up you have to apply to have the desired effect, which means a bigger lump in the barrel that the BB has to pass by, more fps drop and a more unstable BB flight at longer ranges.

ThunderCactus August 21st, 2007 19:18

depends if they used an emulsifiable lubricant or not, i agree with the dishsoap though, that stuff works for everything: anti-fog, prevents poison ivy from spreading, and even cleans dishes!

Skladfin August 21st, 2007 19:42

thanks, gotta do that :D

CDN_Stalker August 21st, 2007 20:26

Give this a read, it's a new thread posted regarding the info I put up a few months back regarding washing BBs. I basically asked if others could try it with their rifles and provide feedback to see if it's a common benefit or only for my sniper rifle set up (upgraded CA M24 and modded KJW M700). Seems right across the board improved results from washing.

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums...?topic=41711.0

Jughead August 21st, 2007 22:37

This thread needs a highjacking...

I would like to hear about the CA M24 Socom Sniper rifle ( w/Fluted barrel )and would like to hear from others with this gun or have seen or heard about it.

I just puchased it, ( Something different in my collection :roll: ) and am having problems finding reviews.

I think CA makes some great guns and am taking a chance on it. All my previous guns have been CA, and other than the odd, ( bad ), hop up system they have.. The guns have been great.

So I hope this isnt any different.

iceman3994 August 21st, 2007 22:54

Nice to have you in the sniper role Jughead...I was actually looking at a few of the M24. You should do good with that, me with the M700 and Hux with the assorted rifles he has...

Ronan August 21st, 2007 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 523732)
This thread needs a highjacking...

I would like to hear about the CA M24 Socom Sniper rifle ( w/Fluted barrel )and would like to hear from others with this gun or have seen or heard about it.

I just puchased it, ( Something different in my collection :roll: ) and am having problems finding reviews.

I think CA makes some great guns and am taking a chance on it. All my previous guns have been CA, and other than the odd, ( bad ), hop up system they have.. The guns have been great.

So I hope this isnt any different.

I was able to try the CA M24 and its a really nice gun. Requires some good modifications but thats 'normal'. And about the odd bad thing on CA gun, bought a brand new CA25 and the piston head was complete garbadge (gun was shooting 100fps...). Got a laylax piston head installed and its shooting 350fps. Still need to replace the bucking and nozzle.

lupo August 22nd, 2007 00:43

I cant say for sure but i suspect that the ca m24 civ and mil version (ie fluted and non fluted) are internally the same. Ive had mine since they came out (first one in canada) and it has served me well. I recently did an overhaul on it due to some design flaws. Basically if you get a nice stainless cylinder kit. Like http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper..._cat_PDI Parts or this http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper..._cat_PDI Parts And a nice spring your pretty much set. It should be noted as the spring tension increases so does the trigger pull weight. Mine was up too well over 10 lbs with a 300% spring so i decided to replace the whole trigger assembly with a first factory aps zero trigger. With some slight mods to the m24 trigger guard its worked out great.

Ronan August 22nd, 2007 01:04

Yupp my friend (a CA dealer in california) told me they are exactly the same except the fluted one is a bit lighter (duh).

Jughead August 22nd, 2007 07:59

Thanks for the replies gents,

LyquidFyre August 22nd, 2007 09:36

The CA M24 trigger assembly is a bit finicky too. If you over-tighten the screws then it won't release/fire properly and if you don't tighten it enough you get too much play and weird wearing out of screws.

I bought an M24 fluted second hand (I was the third owner) and the original owner in an attempt to lighten the trigger pull and response put some plasticard between the trigger assembly and the outer barrel. This lightened the pull but also introduced a lot of play which then stripped the front screw hole holding the entire trigger assembly to the outer barrel. Right now I have a zip tie holding the assembly to the outer :(

.....

Jughead August 22nd, 2007 13:15

I saw on UNcompant, that they have a barrel spacer... I didnt know wtf that was, but youre saying it reeduces the pounds on the trigger?!

LyquidFyre August 22nd, 2007 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 524044)
I saw on UNcompant, that they have a barrel spacer... I didnt know wtf that was, but youre saying it reeduces the pounds on the trigger?!

I said plasticard between the trigger assembly and outer barrel, not spacers. The guy made shims out of the plasticard thereby having less of the sear engaged when the bolt was armed. This relieve a bit of the pressure on the trigger but also made the entire trigger assembly unstable and prone to shifting which then translated to movement in the front mounting screw of the assembly to the outer barrel. This cause the screw hole to be stripped as the outer barrel is made out of a soft alluminum.

sniperland August 22nd, 2007 20:48

PICS??
 
Pics would be helpful with this one...i'm a pro on stuffs like this!

Jughead August 23rd, 2007 17:47

So this is what I am looking to do with my gun as soon as it arrives and would like to hear feedback. Positive or Negative

Classic Army M24 SOCOM Rifle

- Gaurder stainless steel cylinder

- Guarder APS-2 Piston Head

- First Factory Laylax pss2 spring guide

- Guarder APS-2 Piston

- First Factory Laylax pss2 150 spring.

I havnt priced it out, but will update soon. Does anyone know if the FF Laylax 150 spring will push a .20g bb 500fps?

Im not familiar with their stuff.

Pualwall September 28th, 2008 22:35

crossman2250xt
 
does anybody know were i can get a crossman 2250xt in canada or do i have to bring it over the border if i can?>

Amos September 28th, 2008 22:59

Talk to Vinny.

Most of the time you can find him outside behind Walmart and Canadian Tires.

Kingsix September 29th, 2008 00:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pualwall (Post 829172)
does anybody know were i can get a crossman 2250xt in canada or do i have to bring it over the border if i can?>

If I remember Correctly the Crosman 2250xt is a .22 C02 Pellet Gun. You are asking about pellet guns on a airsoft site. You need to go to http://www.airgunforum.ca
And Pellet Guns are legal to import.

Pualwall September 29th, 2008 18:20

[QUOTE=Kingsix;829268]If I remember Correctly the Crosman 2250xt is a .22 C02 Pellet Gun. You are asking about pellet guns on a airsoft site. You need to go to http://www.airgunforum.ca
And Pellet Guns are legal to impits a pellet gun so i can import it from some American company?

Amos September 29th, 2008 18:27

Keep in mind you're not asking about an airsoft gun.

So you will not be allowed to play airsoft with this gun..


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