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Donster September 19th, 2007 19:47

Airsoft Gun Comparison
 
Hey guys,

I didn't want to start a bunch of new threads, so i put my questions in 1 thread. i hope i dont get flamed for it:

1. for a primary gun, what would i be better off with; a TM M14 or a CA M14 and can i get a RAS rail shroud for the CA M14?

2. I wanted to know which compnay makes a good 6mm Mauser Kar 98k rifle

3. if i order a real wood stock for an M14, does that count as a lower reciever and thus be stopped by customs?

I just discovered Warhammer 40,000 and the Death Korps of Kreig (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog...OF_KRIEG.html), so i am trying to go for that kind of look. The lasguns that they use look the most similar IMO to an M14.

Thanks,

Donster 125

Styrak September 19th, 2007 19:56

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Originally Posted by DONSTER 125 (Post 539438)
3. if i order a real wood stock for an M14, does that count as a lower reciever and thus be stopped by customs?

Would customs stop and seize a 2x4 if you ordered one from outside Canada? It's the same thing. It's just a piece of wood. The answer is no, it would be fine.

Donster September 19th, 2007 20:36

Also, does anyone know where i can get a WWI style trench/great coat?

hattrick September 19th, 2007 20:49

I think tanaka makes the gas kar 98 6mm

Two versions avail, good luck with that purchase

Donster September 19th, 2007 20:55

thanks, i also found a marushin Kar98k. Is one better than the other? or are they both the same in terms of quality and company rep.?

ILLusion September 19th, 2007 20:56

Assuming the CA M14 is very similar to the TM one, then yes, RAS made for TM M14 should fit the CA.

As far as I can tell, the top half of TM M14s is built very close to real steel. The mounting methods of uppers and of the RAS units are the same.

hattrick September 19th, 2007 21:07

The marushin kar98 is a shell ejecting 8mm gas gun, obviously less reliable due to the complex mech required to eject shells :\ (8mm is a bitch too)

Donster September 19th, 2007 21:09

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Originally Posted by ILLusion (Post 539483)
Assuming the CA M14 is very similar to the TM one, then yes, RAS made for TM M14 should fit the CA.

As far as I can tell, the top half of TM M14s is built very close to real steel. The mounting methods of uppers and of the RAS units are the same.

k that is good, but for the life of me, i couldn't find one on WGC. All the Ras units were made for Marui type guns they said. Same goes for the Wood stock.

ILLusion September 19th, 2007 21:11

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Originally Posted by DONSTER 125 (Post 539494)
k that is good, but for the life of me, i couldn't find one on WGC. All the Ras units were made for Marui type guns they said. Same goes for the Wood stock.

Keep in mind, that all of the information that WGC writes for a product's description is true... AT THE TIME IT WAS WRITTEN.

They don't revise product descriptions when a new gun comes out that can support that part. ie, the CA M14 came out long after the TM & G&G did. Almost all the M14 RAS units on the market right now showed up shortly after TM released their M14.

If you want, I have a Guarder M14 in stock & for sale. Bring your CA M14 by some time and we can see if the swap can be done. It doesn't take long.

Donster September 19th, 2007 21:13

so then the short answer is "No". I cannot get an RAS unit for the CA M14. that being said, which would you recommend for a primary gun? TM M14 or CA M14?

ILLusion September 19th, 2007 21:15

Uhh... actually, the short answer is: "nobody knows".

Like I said, bring the gun by some time, I have a Guarder M14 RAS in stock - we can try fitting it, doesn't take much time at all.

Donster September 19th, 2007 21:25

k thanks. umm i actually still have to get the gun, i was just finding out which gun you would recommend, CA or the TM before i go out and purchase it. I have two looks i want to go for, but the M14 goes with both, which is why i might want to get it. But which would you recommend, the CA or the TM? And why?

ILLusion September 20th, 2007 01:38

I have no experience with the CA, so I couldn't say, although I don't see why you wouldn't go with TM.

Based on CA's past reputation compared to TM... I'd pick TM over CA as far as build quality and QA goes.

namloot September 20th, 2007 21:35

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Originally Posted by DONSTER 125 (Post 539438)
Hey guys,
1. for a primary gun, what would i be better off with; a TM M14 or a CA M14 and can i get a RAS rail shroud for the CA M14?
Donster 125

I have a TM M14 OD, upgraded to 390fps with a .25g BB. I can hit a man sized target at over 225 feet (trees not withstanding). I've put over 6,000 rounds through it, not one problem.

Get the Marui :)

Regan.S September 20th, 2007 21:55

Donster I'm guessing your going for the WW2, WW1 type of look / experience. Watch the Gear and Clothing for sale on here. I seen a trenchcoat just a little while ago. Not sure if they sold it.

Donster September 20th, 2007 22:16

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Originally Posted by Regan.S (Post 540209)
Donster I'm guessing your going for the WW2, WW1 type of look / experience. Watch the Gear and Clothing for sale on here. I seen a trenchcoat just a little while ago. Not sure if they sold it.

Thanks so much i really appreciate that!

Donster September 20th, 2007 22:18

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Originally Posted by namloot (Post 540195)
I have a TM M14 OD, upgraded to 390fps with a .25g BB. I can hit a man sized target at over 225 feet (trees not withstanding). I've put over 6,000 rounds through it, not one problem.

Get the Marui :)

That sounds good! but i have always been under the impression that between CA and TM, CA is more durable. The thing is though, i dont know if i want to add an RAS to my M14 in the future. If that IS the case, i will go for the TM cause all of the RAS units that i found are for TM anyway. off topic, but what hi-cap mags do you recommend for your gun? and what internal upgrades, such as spring etc did you put in your TM to make it shoot that high? If i do that, will my gun wear out quickly and if so, how quick is "quickly"

Donster September 20th, 2007 22:28

how is the G&G M14? (http://aasurplus.ca/airsoft/product_...roducts_id=56). Is it better worse or similar to the TM and CA M14?

Donster September 20th, 2007 22:51

what version of mechbox does the TM m14 have. On mechbox.com they said Version 7 i beleive. if this is true, i cant find any retailer that carries repalcement gears and bushings for that version of mechbox.

TrueTGN September 20th, 2007 22:53

You really could have put most of that into one reply. Theres an edit button.

Regan.S September 20th, 2007 23:19

Hey Donster I found some links with WW2 clothing etc in it on these fourms.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=WW2
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=WW2
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=WW2
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=WW2 - GERMAN Uniform Set.

That's all I could find for now. Hope that helps you!

Donster September 21st, 2007 08:21

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Originally Posted by Regan.S (Post 540262)
Hey Donster I found some links with WW2 clothing etc in it on these fourms.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=WW2
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=WW2
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=WW2
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=WW2 - GERMAN Uniform Set.

That's all I could find for now. Hope that helps you!

that all looks great! thanks so much for that! i couldn't find any of that when i tried serching. anyway, my only thing now is to decide which M14 i should get. CA, TM or G&G...

Jughead September 21st, 2007 19:27

What are the cons of the G&G's M14. If someone has one and can point out first hand information it would be appreciated.

mcguyver September 21st, 2007 20:19

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Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 540686)
What are the cons of the G&G's M14. If someone has one and can point out first hand information it would be appreciated.

Their internals suck, basically on par with SRC, or basically sub-Marui quality. Their assembly procedures sucked, at least on the 2 that I worked on. Poor lubrication, either to little or too much Poor shimming. And their mag is not interchangeable with anyone else's. Now, this was 2 years ago since I worked on one, so maybe they've improved themselves a bit since then.

Donster September 22nd, 2007 09:07

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Originally Posted by mcguyver (Post 540691)
Their internals suck, basically on par with SRC, or basically sub-Marui quality. Their assembly procedures sucked, at least on the 2 that I worked on. Poor lubrication, either to little or too much Poor shimming. And their mag is not interchangeable with anyone else's. Now, this was 2 years ago since I worked on one, so maybe they've improved themselves a bit since then.

so then between the TM M14 and the CA M14, which would you recommend me to get as my first gun? Also, do y ou know if the RAS units for the M14 can go on the CA M14? Thanks!

Jughead September 22nd, 2007 22:54

I have seen and shot a few TM M14s and they seem pretty reliable and rigged.

The one that I liked the most was a M14 TM SOCOM, with a RAS.. Heavy gun but sexy as hell.

upgrade as you go and you should be happy.

As for CA, personally i have found their QC to be fairly poor. Missing bolts, screws, springs and so on. 2 guns in a few months that have been crap, and needed me to tear apart and rebuild out of the box.

If you buy, I would go throuh Ken at 007. His guns seem to be more reliable and better priced than A&A. I think he has some in stock now.

ILLusion September 23rd, 2007 18:29

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Originally Posted by DONSTER 125 (Post 540254)
what version of mechbox does the TM m14 have. On mechbox.com they said Version 7 i beleive. if this is true, i cant find any retailer that carries repalcement gears and bushings for that version of mechbox.

Yes, it's version 7. I can order for you gears, bushings, piston, cylinder, cylinder head, piston head, nozzle, spring guide, selector arms, whatever you need for that gun.

I'd still say you can't go wrong with TM over CA. The last two CA guns I've worked on had horrible internals, extremely poor air seals and wild shot groupings. The exterior is nice... but the guns required over $200 in new premium internals to get it firing right.

Donster October 2nd, 2007 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by namloot (Post 540195)
I have a TM M14 OD, upgraded to 390fps with a .25g BB. I can hit a man sized target at over 225 feet (trees not withstanding). I've put over 6,000 rounds through it, not one problem.

Get the Marui :)

I am thinking of that. What version gearbox does the marui have? cause if i read it correctly, but i dont think i did, it has a Version 7. Can you even find parts compatible with that version of gearboxes?

ILLusion October 2nd, 2007 20:16

version 7.

Yes, there are compatible parts.

version 2/3 compatible:
- bushings

version 2/3/6 compatible:
- piston
- piston head
- main spring
- anti-reversal latch

Version 7 specific:
- Cylinder
- cylinder head
- spring guide
- anti-reversal latch SPRING
- gearset
- trigger/wiring assembly
- tappet plate
- selector plate

M14 specific:
- air nozzle



All parts can be found through the aftermarket as upgrades or replacements. Contact me if you need parts ordered.


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