New airsoft enthusiast!!!
 

hiya! , new airsoft enthusiast.. jus got into airsoft a few weeks ago, one of my friend showed me his collection, mp40, mp5, metal m4 with red dot scope, 2 sniper rifles (bolt action) and a metal gas blow back beretta and a few more handguns.. he i planning on making a team by the end of this year, originally i wanted to be a sniper with a ghillie suit and just climb up trees and snipe from there... but now.. i want to be a rifleman front lines type of player.. i originally want to go for the

Classic Army G36C
http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-s...Version/Detail
with this magazine
http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-s...0-Round/Detail


but one of my friends recommended the

Classic Army G36K
http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-s...6-Style/Detail

now i am in a predicament.. he told me the g36K is better then the C varient,
i want a good accurate rifle at long distances but also good for close quarter combat and support fire, he also told me if i want to upgrade the gun i should go with "SYSTEMA" upgrades..:confused: ... what should i get???:confused:

Ugh.
First of all, you're not planning on buying that gun from that store, in the US are you?
Second of all, don't buy a C-Mag and slap it on an assault rifle and run around, thatg's douche-y and most of us play realistically with real mags (60-120 rounds).
Thirdly, make up your own mind about what you like, we're not going to decide for you.
Fourthly(?), don't upgrade your gun. You are new and a stock gun is fine. For damn sure don't try doing it yourself.

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This guy knows what he's talking about.

Most places in Canada won't let you just play with a just a Cmag, Here in manitoba you need to heavily mod the gun to have the properties of realistic machine gun.

Are you 18?

Well honestly, I say you purchase whatever gun you choose and keep it with its stock parts. Play with that gun for a season to get the feel for it before considering upgrades.

As it stands both of those G36 varients operate with the same V3 style mechbox, the only diffrences would be the bodies on the outside and the barrel length. So you may have a diffrence in the grouping of your BBs at a distance between the two. All AEGs essentially work the same, a battery that powers a motor that drives gears to move a piston that compresses a spring. Upgrades are good an dandy to change your ROF and your FPS but keep in mind that upgrades will in the end will effect how long your guns lasts. Even with quality parts, a mechbox wont last forever, it will just take longer to break.

OMFGWTFBBQ

Posting a "hey L33T newbie thread" in the general section?;

http://i23.tinypic.com/znsd1x.jpg

To add onto Tokyo7's info;

The G36K is a better all-around variant for general skirmishing. It's longer barrel length will give slighty better groupings. But I did purchase a TM G36C back in the day when they were "the shit" (like the kids say!) and brand new, and even with it's shorter barrel it was fine for outdoor use as long as you were willing to get a little closer to your OPFOR.

18 this wednesday:D

k , so
1# no upgrades,
2# no cmag
3# no US store???:confused: noting that the exchange rate is the same right now...

y not US store.. my friend bought his M4 and his ak74 from thats store, so far he hasnt had any problems..

and im applying for my firearms license in about 2-3 months.. dont feel like applying now.:p

so the g36K?? my friend says its more accurate and has better range, i read the Faq for the last 5-8 min and i noted that longer barrel = better range and accuracy.. i guess i will be going for the G36K.....random question is classic army good???

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=23034

READ THIS

NO US store, yes. Your friend got lucky. A firearms license has nothing to do with airsoft.

Classic Army is good.

CA is a fine brand, so long as you or someone you know is able to open the mechbox and replace the piston assembly w/ a stock TM one. CA pistons are famous for self-destructing within 1000 rounds.

If you get age verified you can shop here on the classifieds section and probably score a better deal.

I didn't see where you were from in your initial post. Don't buy from US stores, unless you live in the US. :)

Fill out your profile mate.

the g36 is posted is a g36 not a g36k lol

B'ys, just help the guy out.
You all were like this at some point.Your probally just turning him away from airsoft with your ignorance.

Obviously you didn't read my post, the very first post after the original.

Right on luh.

i live in toronto , canada.. so tokyo Marui then.. i personally love the ak47.. and does TM make theirs out of metal??? :D

Google is your friend man, Google is your friend....

lol at the poking fun


and not all of us asked questions like these when we started, i didnt i just read stuff for the first week lol

but yea the g36 has a longer barrel than the g36k but the g36k is better for a close quarters combat scenario.

why switch to Tokyo mauri you can still buy Classic Army in canada, i am lol

Nope.

Their new AK-74MN will be though. Not really out yet, but soon.

And an AK is an excellent choice. The TM is damn solid and reliable out of the box. Get one.

If you want full metal and a newer look, get the ICS AK-74M.

If you got the cash, get a VFC AK of some sort, but they're pretty pricey.

Cheers,
Alex

To sum up everything...
Read around the threads they will help you SO much, but some basic info - Never ever Ever eVer evEr eveR evER eVER EVER try importing from the stats unless you have lots of money to risk and chance.
There is really no best gun, it's what YOU like and what you plan to do..
it takes the fun away from just one mag and spinning a little thing to 'reload' but it's really up to you and your style of play
And yet again, these threads, are you new best friend once you get to know them, other wise the members will rip you apart like wild dogs! :D

Try your buddies guns out, see what you like, get age verified, get to a game and learn carefull.

Best of luck!

Remember:
You need to be 18.
You can't buy from the US.
TM has better reliability out of the box.
CA has better real-feel (like better plastic quality, and full metal guns) but needs some internals change.

Personally i'll go with a CA, change the piston head and bucking (some need new gears but not always).

kinda odd.. since my friend bought from www.evike.com and he hasnt had any problems whatsoever..

You don't seem to understand. And you don't seem to have read the importation FAQ. Your friend was LUCKY. Customs doesn't check some packages.

Just because you don't get caught doesn't make it legal.

so where the hell can i buy a airsoft gun??? either TM or Classic Army.. and im pretty sure i have no clue to replace the piston head or w/e...:confused:

Can we see some pics of your friend's guns?

err sure.. give me a few min to get them uploaded..

check attachments..

some of those guns are in 2 pics.. for ex the m4 and 3 handguns are also in the first pic with the ak, g36, mp5 etc..

he also said the mp5 and the mp40 are not working right now and i think he mentioned another gun isnt working im not sure which... :confused:

As per your inquiry:

There are two Canadian online retailers that you may order through.
They both have a fairly broad selection of AEGs, GBB and other spring type guns of various brands. You may find both their links at the top of this page under Canadian retailers. They are A&A and 007 airsoft. They are both reliable retailers.

Another option is that you can become age verfied, which is essentially meeting with a volunteered representitive from ASC who can confirm that you are of 18 years of age. After your verification has been processed it will allow you to gain access to our buy and sell forums.

Unfortunetly that is all I can offer.

if you dont have the money now for the gun .. get age verified because it takes a while to go through so by the time you get teh money you will be age verified hopefully

Ok, sorry to say this but we have an entire section called INFORMATION, and another called FAQ (frequently asked questions). You are asking a lot of Frequently Asked Questions. Relax, breathe, and read them. Ok?

As far as buying from the US, realize another thing; you will be over 18 this week, that makes you an adult as far as the Law is concerned. Consequences will now fall on you. What you do is Your choice and Your decision, even illegal acts.

Top of EACH page... Canadian Retailers. That's why everyone tells you to read more and post less for a while. Make the effort, you'll be glad you did.

w/e... im gonna give the cash to my friend today to buy me a TM ak from that US store.. all his guns are from that store... hasn't had any problems...

So you will ask your friend to do something illegal for you? Wow.

Mods? All yours.

If customs opens the package, Your friend's name will be put a nice little list...

From there on whenever he tries to go into the states, they will search his car like mad, Whenever he tried to enter canada, They'll search his car like mad; (Read; 4 hours + delay)

I love how everyone immediately goes 'RAAAH! SMUGGLING / ILLEGAL!'... It's not smuggling if you declare it, or if gets through customs without being opened when shipped (so long as it's declared on the packing slip as well). You do however run the risk of flushing your money down the toilet in both those cases.

If it gets shipped and customs does open it and find it unacceptable, then they put your name of the list to search you and whatever you try to import in the future though. AFAIK, It's not a crime to try and order from the states, it's just not worth getting caught and blacklisted + losing your money. There's still an off chance that customs will open it an let it through anyways, but as it's been said numerous times before, not a good idea.

Hahaha same here.

elite_commando,
If it worked for your friend multiple times,and you want to take the chance then go for it.

It's people like this kid that make airsoft an increasingly harder sport to play and acquire in the country.

Mods? I smell a ban.

Lol! Banned for what? Not taking people's advice? It's his money, let him lose it on his own then ;)

A little Shepparding
 

and some direction... and we will bring him into the fold..

lets not jump on him yet.... we need new participants... and everyone gets a little excited at first..

then they start to realize the restrictions.. and that there is a whole community out there.... its a learning curve...

Here's a tip;

Don't fuck around with the airsoft community... If you do... You'll be in a sad position of having no one to play with. Sure.. You may like playing with yourself but... ...

Who cares if he orders his gun from the US, if he does get it thats awesome !! Good for him !!

And it he doesn't do you summarily dismiss the negative consequences for either him as an individual, his friend, or the broader airsoft community?

LD

No, not really.

Ever thought about the consequences, or are you just being all offended?

Its his money...if he wants to loose it let him, we all warned him of the consequences.

And the consequences to us? Like tougher Border rules? If you encourage him, you may eventually have to suffer too.

But to learn, you must start by listening, and then respecting, the advice. He's not.

Well there is no stopping him, the way he see's it is -his friend did it, why cant he-

I dont think he is going to change his mind.

maybe if we yell and bitch loud enough he will listen :)

I agree, but .... this happens all too often..

New kid: hey cool airsoft... I wanna get into this... but like, I know nothing so I'm going to ask all kinds of questions that have already been answered 1000 times.... but I don't know that because I just discovered this... and I'm all excited because I think its so cool.

Community: fuck off stoopid Noob!

New Kid: HuH? what did I do? I show up here and have some questions... Ok ok.. I guess I could have looked around a bit... but hey... I'm young and impatient... I want stuff now...so like, sorry so can you answer some of my questions.

Community: fuck off stoopid Noob!... oh and would you like a side of Ban with that?

New Kid: oh... ok I get it... you don't want me... fine I am now no longer listening to you.. in fact I think I will do exactly the opposite of what you say I should do... well sure thats immature... but heck I'm 17...going on 18...I'm not a boy.... I'm not a man... so I can get away with it... so how bout this..
Fuck all of you!

end rant...

although it is doubtless that there are a lot of people who we do not want to get involved in this community.. there are a lot that we do... I find it unfortunate that we do so little to figure out which is which.. and simply presume that every person who pops up here with questions is an idiot.

This place... fails as a entry point into the airsoft community..

I tell you one thing... If I treated every fresh faced Noob who shows up at TTAC3 the way people treat new people here... there would be a lot fewer new players in the community over the past 2 years..which means a lot fewer guns sold, gear sold, bbs sold, game fees paid.. and new teams formed.

New people make mistakes... new people say things that they should not.. they blunder.. and offend because they don't know the rules... it takes patience to bring them in a socialize them...

take the time to send the new person a PM and help them fit in... we need them.. well most of them.

Well said, Brian. All too often, I see new comers jumped on for asking a question they may not know has already been answered. In all honesty, a forum is not the most user friendly interface, especially for people who are not as versed in the ways of the internet and computing as many people here seem to be.

Yes, there is a search function, but if you don't know precisely what you're looking for, it appears to not work very well. Yes, there is an FAQ section, but it covers a whole lot of things that some new people might not be familiar with at all. Lastly, it's true that ASC isn't the most inviting place for new comers. We should all help and make it such a place if we really do care about the direction the sport is going.

To all the trolls, flamethrowers and what have you, if you haven't got anything good to say, don't say anything at all. If your advice isn't taken by the person you've offered it to, don't take it personally. To everyone else, cheers ;)

There is the Newbie guide. It's well written, reasonably complete, and there for all to find...

I always suggest that new players really should read the information in that section (no search required). Few ever do.

Hey Greylocks I forgot all about that I'm going go do a read over now.

Someone explain to me why a ban is in order. Just because a fresh newb comes on here and asks a common green question gives NO reason for us to ban him.

If he doesn't understand, then help him understand. There's no point in keeping him in the dark.

Next time someone reports a newb post like this and requests a ban, I'm going to ban the person who reported it.

I like the way this guy thinks.

Finally, some common sense

that sums about EVERYTHING.. thats happened to me so far... there are a few people who right now have been REALLY helpful via PM and on this thread.. and i :salute: you :D

o and to the people that are flaming me and calling me a noob for not reading... words over the internet dont mean anything to me ;) .. keep trying i find it VERY amusing. :)

and yes i am still into airsoft.. and yes i will try to come to some meets meet some pple and try out the sport.. :)

That's more like it.

:P Alot of words on the internet are words of wisdom.. Don't disreguard everything.

Read the "Importation FAQ", The Newbie guide.. And the general laws surrounding airsoft.. It's a long read... But once you're done you'll be enlightened.

All I can say is, thank you for being paitent with us. There are alot on this site who are quick to be defensive and simply wish to defenestrate each and every new person who comes along with inquirys. People have to start somewhere right?

Welcome to ASC.

Well, yeah, don't disregard everything told to you via the tubes.

Sometimes it just might JUST MIGHT be helpful.

A house of lies built on a foundation of deceit!;)

All I, and several others, care about is that you DONT do anything illegal OR put our hobby at risk by playing cat and mouse with the Border Services. If you are willing to follow those rules and common sense, we'll be willing to help you.
If you decide you dont care, well, like in Real Life... why would we?

well the thing is the US store CA airsoft weapons that are being sold are going for 245$ for a CA G36K... plus 30$ for shipping... 275$... better then the 500$ + tax id have to pay for here....:rolleyes: the almost 300$ difference is worth it.. ill still ask him... and i will ask the company how do they ship it and if they have any policies on customs confiscated items...

he says the airsoft guns are marked as toys.. by the company...:confused:

Customs doesn't care. If they see that it's an airsoft gun, they have every right to seize the item. It's clearly outlined in the list of prohibited importation guidelines.

The company would be stupid to offer any kind of money-back guarantee in the event of seizure when shipping items to Canada. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter what the sender declares the item as. They could put "toy", "hobby item", "model toy", "display model", "sporting goods", whatever the case may be, but the moment an officer opens the package, they'll see an AIRSOFT GUN.

I label all of my imports as toys... and about 90% of those packages get opened by customs. I even get stuff seized that AREN'T on the list of prohibited goods... imagine how well that'll go for items that ARE prohibited.

Its clear that you have made your decision and no longer require our input on this matter. You have the information we have provided you and have choosen to disregard it. Do not expect to find much more support in regards to your inquiry.

well you guys are doing one hell of a job freaking me out with customs...;)

how long does it usually take to get age verified???

For good reason. We're trying to help dude... yea, you may save $300 by not ordering from Canada, but you may also lose 100% of it and end up blacklisted by CBSA. To many of us it isn't worth the risk. In the end though it's your money. Just don't expect any help at all if you choose to order from the states and your gun gets siezed.

Age verifacation, after you meet with a rep, takes anywhere from 2-6 weeks.

Yeah well that is kinda the point.... In the end its your money to lose.

Many of the people here who advise you to not try to import from the US speak from experiance... ( though many won't admit it )

If you pop by TTAC3 I can age verify you, takes abour 48 hours to get active...then you can buy from the classifieds here.

Im willing to admit that I learned from experiance.

legally 18... but i gotta prove it to the airsoft pple here..

PS.. Brian.. does TTAC3 work on weekends???:)

Holy cow 6 pages already? Anyways I highly suggest reading the Newbie Guide under the FAQ fourm. I've read it over several times and I'm always picking up on something I've missed. Lots of information there.

So far your ONLY problem is that you refuse to follow the basic advice given here, or read it.

You have no idea how easy it would be if you tried, and yet...

Ok, let's be blunter. If you come here, ask for advice, and then do everything to ignore it on top of putting our sport at risk (no imports anymore would do that)..

You might get the gun, or not. If not, you will have to deal with laws that DO bite hard now that you are an adult.
Even if you get your smuggled gun, where will you use it? Do you think the field owners and game organizers will welcome you with open arms?

So great for you, your toy will be home, and you'll have nowhere to legally use it.

Or you can be a bit patient, follow some easy steps that you just have to read about, and you're set. You've argued for 6 pages already, you've been told the BEST and SAFEST way to do things, and you still slap us in the face trying to find loopholes.

Time to stop and read? All the tools are there for you, you are 18, how hard can it be to get into a car/bus and taking a ride? Or make a phone call? Or send a PM to TTAC3?

Some of the folks trying to help you out are telling the rest to be patient with you, but man... you're really bringing it on yourself.

just out of curiosity.. to the pple who did get there guns confiscated can you tell me the websites you went to?? (online stores etc..)

Where you got it is immaterial... Customs can inspect any package comming acoss the border, they don't inspect every package...

if they do sieze your package.. they will flag your name and address for inspection of any future shipments, and your name will go into the Database.. so that every time you cross the border... they will search you.

so this is potentially what you could buy for saving $150.00- $200

For me it is not worth it so I buy guns already in-country... and pay the 150-200 for someone else to take the risk.

Check the game threads for times.....

Dude, seriously, do you think if there was a way around this we would be paying $600 for an AEG?? Honestly, we're not that fucking stupid and we're not being douchebags. If you order a gun from the USA, there is a significant chance it will get siezed and your name (or your parent's name) will be put on a list, and every package you order from the US will be searched, and every time you cross the border you will be searched. We're not making this shit up man. So you decide if the risk is worth saving an extra $200.

... You don't understand.

Guns in-country are not illegally smuggled. They are imported by people who have the proper licensing. It's a business, So there is markup.

I understand fully, even properly licensed importers have shipments seized.

And if you think every gun for sale in the classifieds has a squeeky clean providence... well what colour is the sky where you are?

How the gun got in the country is irrelevant once it's here though, so I'm not sure what you guys are arguing anymore. Pretty much anyone who's importing guns with or without a permit is running some risk because letting something in the country is pretty much at the discretion of the cbsa agent who's working when your package comes in.

Ive got an idea, all we need is a buncha toothpicks and wood glue and Im sure we can Mcguyver it all together.

So heres the plan, we built one of these on the US side of the border.
http://www.zsquad.com/images/trojanhorse.gif

Then we fill it with airsoft guns and attempt to cross the border.
Oldest trick in the book! They'll never know and by the time the CBSA agents figure it out, we shall be swimming in a pool of moderately priced GBBs and AEGs! Rich in all reality would not be that comfy to swim in.

Also you'll have an ugly orange tip on your gun all the time and if you want a metal body on your gun it will probably cost more to put it on then buy it from here with a metal body anyways.

Hey man being fairly new to the sport myself I'm still learning the ropes and things, and still get my ass in some hot water now and again for stupid shit, but what these people are trying to do weather you think so or not is help you understand that you are responisible for the actions you take, especially when it comes to the importation of prohibited items like airsoft. They are passing these words of wisdom because when they say don't and give the the consiquences it acutally has happened in real life, they are not pulling it from out of their arses.

I myself have 3 rifles at the moment and have saved for every one, and gone through members of the airsoft community on this website in the used section once I had become verified and as well as in my own community in BC. There are plenty of deals around, just have the patience and maturity to take that time and look at the overall picture. Airsoft will be around for you to enjoy it as long as you respect it and know what is ok and what is not. Though we can't stop you from doing what you want to do and order from the states, I can tell you in the end it's not worth the hassle or the worry, I'm not posting this to bust your balls just some friendly advice and good luck to you with whatever you decide to do, just think about it. Like some already said it's your money do as you like, but think about the risks, are they really worth it?

I vote Tokyo's idea.. but we need to make the horse look like a unicorn!.. that way all the customs workers will just be in awe when they see us go by...

I mis quoted there, I was meaning to quote some one else.

im in for tokyos idea also sounds like an awesome plan

And I'd be there with the video camera and pop corn to see how it goes.

If you made that horse wouldn't they want to search you even more for items lol?

no, they will be to amazed by its awesomeness to do anything but cry

you cant get airsoft guns from the states.

And the last horse finally crosses the finish line....

I don't think that words means what you think it means...

Trojan unicorn? Or.....Trojan naked chick! Where we load the gigantic wooden vagina full of AEGs!

Hmmm....they might feel that something smells fishy...and search it !

Thats why we load a fake compartment near the labia filled with dead fish! And behind that, all of the AEGs.

Ok ,now that will work!

Since i'm here in Newfoundland, I will gather up some fish over the next couple of weeks....we CAN pull this off !!!