new players, promoting the sport, organizing
 

hey, i noticed alot of people bashing eachother on here. i don't care what you guys do but here's food for thought.

since i started playing there has been a huge decline in players and i've only been playig for about 3 years. i'm sure the seizures, confiscations and changes to laws have had there effects as well. yes and i know it is winter.

i think we should try and promote the sport, try and make the community bigger! yes noobs suck, but eventually they get better. i'm sure everyone sucked at some point. and i'm sure some of you guys that think you are pros, are fat slobs that can't even bend over to pick up their mags.

and yea noobs post up dumb questions, and ask questions that are irrelevant or repeated. i think they should be told once; no one is making ou read these forums. and if they are repeat offenders then yes, i believe they should be put in there place. i hate idiots just as much as the next person.

so i'm curious to see how we can promote our sport, get more people involved, encourage, not discourage. who knows, an increase in population, will increase demand and perhaps we can get some "good" attention. this may lead to more stores being available, and pricing be comparable to our brothers around the world. prices that i'm sure are holding players back as well.

i'm not exactly sure how we could do this, but i'm sure there are alot of people around that feel the way i do.

a few friends and i were thinking of setting up a tournament at the indoor facility in richmond. it's not open to airsofter's yet, but i am friends with the owners niece, and she is looking into it for me.

the sport isn't new in canada, yet everyone i talk to doesn't understand.

in other parts of the world, they play some pretty intense games, and are very well organized(not to put any of my clubs down) but my experiences in hawaii, and parts of asia have led me to believe we can do alot more with our sport/hobby than we have achieved so far. perhaps even some ipsc shooting? i'm not into it, but if we had some sort of event at a real range, perhaps we could draw in more players there as well.

maybe some of you guys think the ommunity is big enough, but i'm tired of going to games and have only 6 or 7 guys there.


i haven't read into this topic at all so i hope i'm not one of those idiots. lol, but i wanted to rant about something.

hockey softball and even curling have scheduled leagues events tourneys etc. maybe one day we too can have these exciting things to look forward to. not just the casual drop in games.



just my 2 cents. thanks

truer words couldn't have been spoken...

One thing i find funny..

since you are playing since 3 years. i sure you have seen that they are 100 players + game every years.

there are big games that 100 hundred of players goes every year. Quick pass, Keystone strike, and many more.

The sport is doing fine. Just maybe more games are organised on a private manner.

JF

I totally agree.

Yes I've noticed as well that alot of 'pros' on here haven't been very nice to new people or people asking stupid questions. Yeah, they should use Google or even easier the search button, but I think some people on here need to relax and take it easy on them. My friend who started coming on here asked a question about clearsoft and was flamed like nuts. After he was flamed he left and now posts on airsoftfourms.com where he says people there are alot more easy-going.

Thanks...

~Lûc

It's not the "pros" who are doing the flaming of new guys. It's the dumbasses who joined 4 months ago and have something to prove or a rep to establish. Just like in the real world.

Most of the "pros" won't say too much, unless someone is way out of line. Then, just like in the real world, the shit hits the fan.

Don't believe me? Go spend a half-hour surfing the trash bin, and notice who does the posting. And those are only the threads that haven't been deleted.

+1. He's right. A lot of the vets i know rarely post or flame here. Its people like me who do most of the flaming, Been around here for a couple of months and did all the research and reading necessary so know I know most of the answers to the questions that the noobs ask. That being said, i DONT flame anyone, im just using myself as an example cause i fit the description that mcguyver is talking about.

I agree completely with the OP.

People definitely need to be more kind to new players, and accept the fact that without further growth the future of this sport in Canada is uncertain.

I like your point of veiw :) ...
I can come right out and admit I've been harsh or mean to new peoples >.< kinda regret it right now...

I know coming from experiance when I first joined I was 16/17 ish.. I asked the stupid questions and got flammed, but I deserved it. I was stubborn and stupid...
So, I think it all comes down to how hard a person wants to play, sure it seems easy to think/say "Man everybody on ASC are pricks!" and walk away.. but if you are determined enough to get involved I think you'd hit the books and realise you are in the wrong and need to follow some of the basic rules. But, if we all were a tad nicer :) it'd probably help

I sorta agree, but how can some one promote this? Where? local newspaper journals in the ad section? Go in schools? i doubt that would be smart, bunch of kids,like me but immature, who aren't old enough or mature to participate.

Going to ranges where people shoot real guns isn't such a great idea. most of the shooters are way older then average airsoft players and would probably laugh at 6mm bb's.

anyways...I wonder what older players and members will say...can't wait to read what Greylocks will post on...:)

I'm going to laugh when one day, an important person to the Canadian government is going to make an account on ASC, to see what airsoft is all about in Canada, make his first post, then get flamed by 100 people.
because then they'll think were just a bunch of gun nut assholes, like most Americans, and they'll try to exploit that.

I cant completely remember, but i remember a while back a member of a news crew made an account on a friends paintball website, based out of Fort Erie.

No one really know who the account was, and when he had posted something, about 8-9 people laid into him.
2 nights later on the COGECO news channel, there was the reporter, showing how vulgar some of the players in fort erie were.
about a month later, K&K paintball field and store got shut down.

EMO..

That post should be edited and made a sticky itself, nicely said!

Funny and I thought airsoft was growing in Canada.

There are many airsofters out there, myself included, who did not know about asc. I discovered this website many years after I began my life in airsoft. Hell there are some regular players in Sask that when you mention ASC to them, they say "ASC what the hell is that?".

I dont believe this website and the garbage that goes on here is declining the amount of players this sport gets every year. If anything it weeds out the stupid people. Sure there are some people you would just love to smack the ever living shit out of everytime they talk, but thats how the internet is. Im one of those people that people want to sometimes smack the ever living shit out of, but I do a decent amount of helping as well.

TokyoSeven there are exceptions but often you can trace the history of many of the "flamers" here on ASC and see their procession from newb to player to asshole.

Regardless the "newb problem" is not unique to airsoft and other forums (and hobbies) often do not react in such a hostile manner to simple questions. The high level of animosity drives many established players away which only leaves the flamers.

Also funny, but I've never met a "Pro" Airsoft player... I've met some "Pro" paintballers, but never a "Pro" airsofter...

i know what you mean. these days, im kinda ashamed (i dont know if thats the right word to describe it) of being an airsoft player. people say 'airsoft? whats that?' and i really dont have an answer for them. i just end up saying 'oh, its like paintball without the paint'. on the bright side however, i remember the days when paintball was the same way. we need to step our 'becomming a respectable community' game up.... significantly.

If you try
 

To get your indoctrination into this sport through an online forum... you will get all the crap the comes with it.

Smart new players.. come on here... read.. figure out whats what and whos who and connect via PM or by going to a game..

These are the type of players we want in the community... NOOB or not they have passed the first test...and will be (usually) welcomed...

I have successfully culled a great number of new players from here.. who never posted on ASC.. but PMed me and asked to come out to TTAC3.

Most of these players have gone on to be active and solid contributers to the community..

ASC is not the airsoft community... the airsoft community exists in the the various teams, and groups that participate in the actual activity of military simulation and skirmish.. at places where that happens...

The illusion of community here... is exactly that... an illusion.. this place is rife with trolls and chair-softers who typically don't own airsoft guns.. or have never actually participated in the activity.. except maybe once or twice with a borrowed gun.. yet feel completly enpowered to pontificate based only on the virtue of their post count...

New players... you want in ... you want to learn the ropes... PM someone who has a clue... and find yourself a mentor.. it will save you time money and keystrokes...

Oh, is it this time of year again?

Yeah, it's the season where people have more time to spend on here and come up with all those great opinions and ideas as to how the sport should be.

Don't you love it ?

Sigh...I guess we'll bring out the "canned" answers.

considered getting the can opener then changed my mind:confused:

Kinda like a nasty corn filled shit. You think its gone after one flush, but usually some part of it comes back.

And yes Colin you are correct, but I perfer to think of it as not newb--> player--> asshole. I just think of it as newb--> asshole.

I don't blame 'em. They don't know any better.

Ha!Ha!

So you guy's are saying this type of thread comes up each year?

so funny...

edit.

just making it clear...always forget, newb is bad, but noob is not so bad?

newb = asshole
noob = new guy who knows...well almost less then nothing.

right?

Brian said it, again. I say it all the time; unless life totally stops you GO to a darned GAME.
What you can learn there makes this site like a cheap kindergarden popup book.

You're new? You are really interested? Find the contacts and games on here and just go.

Sometimes this place looks like a bunch of teenagers drooling over cars when they dont even have a driver's license (or the right to have one). And when the same teens have the chance to go see a race or car show (to learn more), they stay home and read magazines.

This site is FULL of resources that so very few use. It's sad.

This kind of thread comes up every other month or so. We get the Airsoft Savior of the season out to assemble all the newbies into a force to be reckoned with.
Take note of how many who approve and are ready to save us all are not age-verified. There's a clue in there someplace.

Want to learn something for real? Hang out with folks like Morb or Brian. Then you'll learn something. (No, I'm not ass-kissing, I dont need to nor do I care to).

i feel like I'm one of those...but hey, don't try to make me believe you didn't drool over something when you knew you couldn't get it at the moment...:D

Yes, I did, then I went out to see it instead of just reading about it because reading did not give me anything except a vague idea of what I was looking for could be like.

By going to see, I met like-minded people who shared their knowledge freely, and learned even more.

This process has not stopped either. All you have to do is go.

you are right about going to games. i would love to go to more myself, but i dont want to spend the $50 to rent a gun, when xmas and xmas money is just around the corner. some people are perhaps in the same boat (though i HAVE been to games and paid the $$$ to rent), they might just save up all those $50 can buy a gun. The problem is, when they get to like $300 in their savings, they come on here to ask which gun is the best for that amount of money. which brings us back to greylocks point about going to games and renting guns to learn the ropes. You should never get into a sport no matter what without playing it first. Even though i KNEW i would love airsoft without having to play it, i still participated in some games. i think we just have to learn to accept that this problem of people asking the same questions over and over again is infinite. we should just learn to accept it and rise above it as that is our job as vets of the sport (me excluded obviously). i think that we should somehow make it so that you HAVE to read the stickies before your account becomes activated or something like that, or make the FAQ button in the middle of the page so that people cannot miss it. i know that when i first joined up, i missed it, but once i was "politely" directed to it, it was relatively smooth sailing from there. thats just my 2 cents though...

Its funny how everyone says how they aren't assholes most of the time, and they don't flame, but when someone brings up a problem, most people are quick to say how its not going on, and that this topic is brought up over and over again, ironic eh? To tell you the truth, if I have question, I e-mail other airsoft people, or go onto a different forums to ask because I am usually afraid that i will get flamed and told to "use the search button"; I usually just lurk around on these forums and read stuff, but I only ask questions as an absolute last resort. The sport may be growing, but just because its growing, doesn't mean more people will show up to games. If you really think about, this is a fun hobby. People can collect guns they have always wanted, and even better, they get to shoot people with them! Its a hobby for people to meet new people who share a common intrest, and you make new friends, and get some fresh air and excercise. So with this in mind, why do people have to act like they have something shoved up there ass? If we flamed every new person who came here because they don't make an impressive first impression, then this sport will die. People just need to relax! Were guys who dress up in camo and shoot little plastic bb's and each other with toy guns, not neon colored speedballers.

so true. that is a valid point. i think the others are just tired of the noobness repetition is all. and that is a fair for them to say especially given the amount of time they have been an ASC member.

Romeo Sierra, dunno where you play (since you apparently couldn't be bothered to fill out your location), but as Red Tiger pointed out there are plenty of games with 30, 50 or 100+ players. So I can only guess the real problem is you live out in the sticks. Or are underaged and have nowhere to play (you arent verified and didn't bother filling out your age, either).

As someone once said on another thread, you might be the nicest and best intentioned person face to face, but online we can only judge you by what and how you write. And if some n00b comes on typing like an idiot, and asking idiotic questions, then the impression we get is that he is an idiot.

...and nobody wants to be friends with the idiot.

There's plenty of new people who come on and do well. We "notice" the 'tards because they get flamed and it draws attention. But I know there are new players who do just fine.

Brian McIlmoyle pretty much nailed it.

No he's not underage he's on another forum for the club where we play (op-for.)

"Going to ranges where people shoot real guns isn't such a great idea. most of the shooters are way older then average airsoft players and would probably laugh at 6mm bb's."

I would have to totally disagree with this comment SM. Our club here in Victoria is part of a larger association consisting of over 1300 members, all involved in different shooting disciplines. Included in that is IPSC, PPC, skeet and trap shooters, cowboy and frontier shooters, black powder etc etc. After doing a presentation to the Executive members of the association, and following to a general meeting, we were welcomed with open arms. Not one person in either the general or executive meetings showed ANY concerns as to what we do nor showed any animosity towards us. As an airsoft club we have access to some of the best facilities available, and an airsoft playing grounds that would be second to none anywhere in Canada. And we get this all for a set yearly fee. $90. Members of all ages within the association have expressed an interest in what we do, and are very complimentary as to the levels we take it, especially in regards to safety.
If ya want to see exactly the facilities I am talking about have a look here..
www.vfgpa.org


Best advice I could give any airsoft club in Canada, would be contact your local outdoor shooting sports facility, or club. You maybe very surprised by the reaction you receive, especially if you put forward a well thought out and professional presentation.

Cheers!

EDIT: Twice every month the Black Powder group has its regular shoot, complete with cannons. If you want some realistic background noise to your game days.....this is awesome!!

maybe in west, but not necessarily in eastern, things aren't the same here.

do you really think that the 50-60 year old trap shooter or black powder shooter will play airsoft?

they maybe arent the same in location, but at heart we are all sportsmen??

has anyone tried contacting a local group out there?....talking with them and maybe TRYING to get some feed back from them?

and the answer to your other comment SM.....yes.....
maybe not to the point of attending an event the size of keystone, but on a local level here there are some 'more mature' interested persons, from both sexes I might add, that at least try the weapons we use and have a much better understanding of exactly what Airsoft is and is all about.
You have to understand by putting a 'professsional' (for lack of a better discription) presentation forward, doors opened. Ask anyone within SIR.

With over 1300 members as I previously stated, 6.5% or roughly 50 members have expressed an interest in airsoft and what airsoft is all about. What better way to showcase what we do. Where could you find a better environment to show off the sport??? And all of this has occured within the first year.

What have you got to lose by asking??

Average player age where I'm from is 30+. And most have or use real guns as well.

Then you haven't met Stalker, or testtube, or Foxtail, or Illusion. Damn those guys know their shit! (I missed a lot of you guys sorry!)

mcguyver is right, i thought i was gonna be the 'old' one... lawl at 21 i'm usually the youngest. Which doesn't bother me at all, it's nice to hang out and play with older people. At least you don't have to deal with the daily crap of teenagers! (Altho some people's maturity is questionable during certain games hehe :D )

All in good fun i say. At the end of the day if your going home with a grin on the face and new friends = victory!

Donster not quoting all of you. Between Brian down at Tac, myself at splatters Jim up in Barrie what excuse does a player not have with going to games during the winter. and that's just the regular stuff. Brian runs TAC Tuesday and Fridays, I have Thursdays and Jim likes running a wasaga game every month or so. The noobs want to get out of the chairs... one of us will know it in the GTA.

Its been touched on but ill summarize it in more, simple terms..

If you want a reputation with us, you will only get it in person.. If you wanna talk shit and hide behind a computer monitor? fine.. but you wont be around much after.

im saying there is no real excuse IMO, but some might not want to rent a gun and whatnot. i personally think that is stupid, but im just giving both sides of the story for everyone to look at is all. like i said, i tried to go to as many games as possible, until now, where i will just wait for my xmas money.

Can't agree more.

It's a well known fact that I've made an ass of myself online (more than once).. but people that know me (in real life), know what I'm about. And it's easier to explain your opinion when talking to someone who isn't 10,000km away :p

Point is; reputations aren't made on the forums, they're made on the field.

And work is being done on adding another series of indoor games in the Kitchener-Waterloo, Cambridge and Cowtown area. I'd say this is going to be a fairly active winter for Southern Ontario.

my friend from hong kong likes to play.. but he can't justify 600 dollars for an AEG...

if prices were better of there would be some more players

Thats the thing about airsoft in Canada, its a wallet squeezer.

maybe high prices of AEG's are a blessing in disguise, especially if age is a concern.

imagine cheap prices + easy access???
how long before more 'airsoft weapons incidents' become commonplace on the front pages of the local news media??

If you look at the costs of paintball compared to airsoft in the long run, airsoft is cheap. I think of it in those terms. By the time you've finished paying for ammo playing paintball, you've just bought yourself an AEG in a few months. Where as airsoft I bought a $800.00 AEG and 4000 rds it costs me $20 and it lasts me for a long time and I generally play every weekend or second weekend depending on my schedule. It's nice when all I have to pay is field fees $10. My buddy spends $400 a month on paintball and that's just ammo and CO2 and field fee of course. Though granted airsoft prices in canada are pretty high but I guess in the end it's how bad do you want to play. I'd love to see more people get into this sport and maybe make airsoft a little more main stream.

lol..just citing what is already being run.

Generally, Pro's get paid to play... I've never met someone that got paid to play airsoft...

Drama.

True, then replace pro with vet.

sorry for the choice of words and repeating a topic, but if people don't like it then why don't you ignore it. it'll go away faster. and who knows maybe someone that is new has something to offer one of the communities, like a field or even as simple as an idea.

If it's an idea, it's been suggested. Airsoft is played by more people worldwide than paintball. It would take something truely original to be, well, original.

The senior/vet players have talked about this subject for ages. Probably as far back as 2001 when many of you were experiencing grade 4 and 5 and having a great ol'time :)

It is a good idea. There are other reasons why it has yet to happen.
Someday maybe it might.
Talk to the Senior/Vet players in your neck of the woods (3yrs + playing).

"we are all in deep hibernation, sleep, rest or what ever else you want to call it and we are currently unavailable for any constructive addition to this topic, so after the shits are all settled please leave your name, number and email we'll get back to you as soon as it's humanely possible." BEEEEEEEP..........

P.S if all else fail call Greylocks he'll be more than happy to give you a piece of his mind.

I think we need to focus less on the community and education aspect and more on the fun and playing parts. It is airsoft... not United Way

Lets make it 4yrs+ so Im not included in the geezer demographic :p

@wildcard

Greylocks is actually a great member IMO, he puts ppl right in there place and is pretty much straight forward.

But then again, Pro Paintballers are decked out like corporate whores and play on speedball fields. They're probably even offensive to woodsballers. They're basically just walking billboards for the industry.

It's like comparing someone who owns a high end sports car to a NASCAR driver.

I think we talk about me here... i know i almost reply all of the noob but it's look just a demonic force...sure they have to start somewhere but they also have to read first. So this post have to be turn in a poll (yeah i know a lot) discuss about option...

My 2 cents (again)

"it is airsoft" isn't airsoft a community sport though?? how can we focus less on the community..

anyways, no matter what.. airsoft is gonna be an "underground" sport
i think the only way to get new players is to introduce some buddies.

A healthy community is built through airsofting, not talking about airsofting. Good organization is done by people who recognize deficiencies experienced in playing airsoft, not by people who hypothesize about deficiencies based on a forum about airsoft.

It is for the most part an underground sport. Comes from using things are we're technically not suppose to be able to buy and sell at all. That's one of the basics you need to grasp before talking about anything else. And airsoft is heavily based on word-of-mouth, the more you play the more apparent that is.

Excuse me, sir. ECCO are pros. They are THE paid contractors of choice in Calgary, hehehe!!!

Indeed! All I was trying to get across is that none of us are "Pros". I'd hat to see Airsofters on speedball fields wearing red billboard jersys!

Mercs don't count! They are in a class of their own! :nod:

that comment was meant as a compliment not an insult, I've traded BB's with Grey @OPCT 1 and i would gladly do so again.

Greylocks is the only one left from all of us that still have the patience and breath to entertain, the rest of us just want play and leave the politics and quarrel out of it. For majority of us when we start playing there are no politics, no flaming, in fact majority of the newer player get to know airsoft by observing team Hot Shot, SD unit, AMC or team STAT play at paintball city, wasaga, splatters or the old flag raiders field. I still remember when Poncho will organised games sometimes weeks or months ahead of the date and we will end up with more players than anticipated because some new guys heard that we are playing and they would like to join. I remember loaning 6 -7 of my personal highly Modded AEG to players vouched by Poncho or Will with no charge.

Now it seems to me that being a forum tough guy matters more than being a respected player in the field. Too many cry babies have ruined this game, now instead of playing with common sense like we used to do, we have to put restriction like mercy rules and banning people from games for stupidity that happen on the field and every couple of months topic like this gets created by new players without the thought of maybe they themselves should play more to gained more experience before starting to organize or educate others.

Just because you shoot the real thing does not make you an expert in airsoft (it helps), airsoft is similar to real steel but it's experience is far from the real thing.

What you said is true, pro paintballers are generally corporate whores, but in the paintball world most rec players can't stand pro players because of their elitist attitude. But I also see that on here and on the airsoft playing fields. I have always felt that there is no such thing as a stupid question, unless you already know the answer, then its a stupid question. When I started out on these forums, I watched ppl get flamed for asking a simple question, because their new or not age verified. I have tried to read through all the threads, but sometimes its easier to have someone point you to where you need to go, not just say read the #$%^ing threads noob. Don't get me wrong there are some threads on here that are just plain stupid. So why not just ignore then instead of acting like a pro paintballer.

If you can't stand a little heat on an internet forum, how can you possibly control yourself on the field while under fire? Will you pull the trigger out of fear, or will you be composed enough to stay calm?

A little flaming for laziness or irresponsibility is not only necessary, but it serves a greater purpose. Weeding out the unfit, or unstable.

That being said, I'm usually not the first person to lay into anyone, but if you post of illegal or retarded crap, I'll say something. And why not. ASC may be a haven of flame-whores, but there is at least a smidge of self-regulation here. If a guy posts up about making a gun out of real parts for example, and nothing was posted to show the displeasure of the community, it would be perceived by those on the outside as being acceptable. The next step would be investigation, then prosecution.

Think I'm an alarmist, or that "those things" don't happen in Canada? You'd likely be shocked at what government search engines dig up each day.

@wildcard.

yes...i see that i failed...i was trying to support your statement...

I can control myself better thanyou might think, both in the kitchen or under fire.

A little flaming, I agree is fine but most flaming does go to far. If one or even two people flame a person for a illegal post. Fine its fair play, but having people getting flamed for asking a simple question because there new, well come on lets grow up a little. If someone feels a thread is not in the best interest of our hobby, then say so without the name calling and report it to the mods. In my experience, both on the feild and on here people do take it to far. Their are people my area of play that I wouldn't go for a beer with, but when we're out on the feild I treat them with the respect that I wish to be given.

Yes, we are both correct (boy are we smart). Flaming is necessary, so we can't outright ban it. But going overboard is also bad. So we must be able to have some flaming.

But when new guys with 787 posts in 3 months (and likely don't own a gun either) start flaming, then there's a problem.

And for the new guy on the end of it, he needs to buck up a bit. This isn't a country club. We aren't here to answer "which gun is teh bezt". A responsible player will do his own work, answer his own questions. Those are the players you want out there, not just any kid who thinks this is cool and can afford a gun. They need to be off of here and on a field first.

Hey, maybe that's an idea. You can't sign up here unless a member knows you personally, like you actually have been to a game, as a player or interested-future-player. Why not add another level of bureaucracy to ASC?

I agree, I believe we are both correct ( We are so smart, SMRT I mean SMART). A person who is serious about making this a better sport will do their homework and ask the right questions. Those who don't even have a game under their belts should learn to keep quite and listen to those who have proven themselves under fire.

I salute you...Cheers....I would have a scotch with you sir.

It's real simple, $20.00 to become a member of the site. That will weed out the weak. It's worked on other sites so well it's not funny (well it is actually when someone demands their $20.00 back because their feelings have been stepped on).

And comimg from the new player side now, I have no problem with the hazing of the noobs. I don't need some joey shooting me in the ear from 2 feet away because it's so cool. Set the bar high and if you can't pay to play the boo hoo.

I see a lot of the online buttons in this thread are dark. Here's a fairly fresh thread http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=48719 about an L96 at buyairsoft.ca. Does anyone feel like encouraging this fellow?

So fully agreed on. I had to step back and completely retrain myself when I started with airsoft. Their ballistics are just too weird.
The safe handling aspect, and the aiming techniques, are the same. But it ends there for most anything else.

That is why I always say "Go to games". You'll meet people who KNOW their stuff.

I still say Wildcard is an old fart, and Koopa I guess I can agree to the 4+ years :)

4+ years is old? Sheeeeit.

just means your freakin Ancient! :)

If I'm ancient, what's Poncho?

Poncho has reached Fossil status. They just stand him up in a field and the newbies run.

it should be Poncho and his "sigma 40":twisted:

Hey man I'm still young at heart

We should get an Admin to change Poncho's handle to "Precambrian" and see if he notices :)