Mauri vs Kraken
 

Would I be better off upgrading a kraken AK or should I buy a mauri?
The kraken shoots a lot faster from out of the box and comes with a hi-cap mag,battery and charger.
I found wood stock sets on ebay that are super cheap that will fit it as well.
So my question is if I spend nearly triple that amount on a mauri what am I actually gaining?

You're gaining reliability. Just because it has higher FPS doesn't mean it's better.

search up kraken on asc and youll find what i did... for the price of a marui i got a full metal, wood kit and a drop in box and hop up and inner barrel. it will out perform a marui any day

Kraken is just a rebrand of the CYMA 028 AK, a good buy if you don't care about cosmetics or feel.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=40035

Use the Search function to read about the Marui.

I'm very interested to hear of your mods, where can I find the upgrade parts?

Yeah, I have the kraken as well and looking for upgrades for it as well.

if you guys give me 15 or 20 il make up an upgrade list for the price of a marui(including gun)

Wow, thanks man ;)

Here we go,
Kraken Ak-47 TM Clone: 180(crappy tire)
King Arms Metal Body:90(Jugglez Should be able to get it)
Full furniture:95 [url]http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/index.php?main_page=
Action 8mm AK Rear wired Gearbox:$128 WGCSHOP Item Code:ACTION-ACC-GB01R
Systema .04 ak barrel:29
Pro-win Hop-up:22
Prometheus Hop up bucking and rubber: 5
6 Pack of beer:15
Total 564
Being Cheaper then a TM: Priceless

Snuck that one in there eh?

Also:
From A&A: " Marui AK47 $549.00 "

So no, it's more. Fail. :D

You fail. its called mark charges like 50 bucks for shipping a rifle...
Or you sub the beer for water

And no one charges shipping on those upgrade items or that rifle? That's strange...

Dunno how closely you're keeping score there, but basically what you have isn't really a Kraken anymore. Buy a few external parts and odds and ends parts instead of the initial Kraken, and you have a built-from-parts AK.

That being said, and considering how much shit you had to swap out of it, I think you've just demonstrated beyond a doubt that the Kraken is an absolute piece of shit compared to the Marui.


Edit: not bashing you, either. And having built a few all-from-parts guns myself, I applaud your ingenuity in finding parts to pull it off that barely ran more than $500. But seriously, it says nothing good about the Kraken itself.

Yeah, what are you keeping, the magazine and the outer barrel?

hell.... Build it from scratch!!!! I was just putting ALL those parts in so you cant bitch that its clone. Alot of those parts are better then the tm which is what i was demonstrating You could have a dope ass ak for the price of a tm or you could be stock with a tm...

Lets see...

Lower receiver and furniture are gone, so he keeps the upper cover part, front top bit, outer barrel, and front sight assembly. Probably the rear sight, too.

Internals are all replaced, except the motor.

Dunno if the furniture kit included the buttplate.

If you're gonna get the receiver, you could have gotten the full G&P AK body kit for US$80 from WGC.. probably marks up to about $150 Canadian.

either way. in the end you can get a really nice full metal built internal ak for the price of a marui

It's basically what I did with my M4 build. The only thing I kept from a crap plastic donor gun was the magazine, mechbox, and mechbox internals, grip, and motor. Replaced EVERYTHING else. And I have a full metal M4 for less than or at the price of a TM M4.

And even the mechbox you kept from that shit m4 was a useless piece of garbage. Thank goodness it was essentially free.

Everyones got their arguments on what is good, or what is better, whats cheaper bitch bitch bitch. Not everyone upgrades their guns, personally I see nothing wrong with keeping a TM gun stock. Now as for keeping a kraken stock, thats a diffrent story in my opinion.

No. It's actually called.. you both fail. Because I paid 600 for my ICS, and it's already tuned to 340fps, FMU with fully racking bolt, and has a fully modded gearbox.

lol.. JK! I'm just trollin' :p

No, seriously now.. TM is much better. But if you're going to mod a gun to hell, why not just scratch build one?

Exactly, that's what I did. And my custom M4 would totally pwn j00r M4. Like x2.

Oh noess!!!

This is highly doubted.

Why not just buy something that is reliable, has been tested and is known to be some of the best out there and buy Marui?

Where you can buy things depends on where you live (your profile does not say) and how old you are if you are in Canada.
The rest is research, since upgrades and modifications have their own section in the forums.

You cant really screw up a new Marui AK.

I have got a Kraken AK and a Marui SR-16 and i can honestly say I am seriously disappointed with Marui, i have had the SR-16 in the shop more then it has been fielded, where as the Kraken i have ran it completely stock and it hauls some serious ass if i had to start from the beginning i would go with the Kraken from my experience.

http://media.canada.com/1785a528-bef...fd98/maury.jpg

VS

http://mos.stanford.edu/ee272/proj00/kraken/kraken.jpg

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i think that between kraken and TM, TM would be better due to their history, but if you really want to get a china gun , get a JG or an ECHO-1. From what i have read and been told by actual users, they are good guns and completely compatible with TM and shoot as hard as the Kraken and come with all the features the Kraken has except the clear parts.

Good one, Omi-san.

TM is like KD, and Kraken is like say no name brand cheese flavoured noodles.

KD was there first, but noname brand is cheaper and tastes fairly similar and many think that no name brand tastes the same as KD and can barely tell a diffrence, while other KD lovers feel that no name brand is bland and flavourless and the cheese power is weak and clumpy and does not mix in properly even with the proper amount of milk and butter. If spending 75 cents on a box of KD works for you thats fine, good for you for supporting the original, if you like the spending 60 cents on the knock off, thats fine, if you like it, you like it.

In the end its all dependant on your tastes, that is if you like cheap shit, then its fine.

that explains the ketchup on my internals!

but lets not forget your thoughts on cheaping out in airsoft. i believe pawsclaw or w.e his name is has it in his sig.

After typing all that, guess what Im having for lunch today?
Fuck yeah, TM...I mean KD.

Oh no, definately do not forget that, but remeber, it still works, you just may not be happy with it later, while others dont mind it.

Thats right Tokyo, we all know what happends when we cheap out in airsoft...

Exactly, now Im gona go eat my KD.

The orange powder in "no name brand" KD never dissolve properly in the macaronis.

buying a Kraken and modifying it for a full metal working not so shitty AK isn't helping Kraken at all.

It's like saying I bought a Dell, ditched everything except the DVD burner and rebuilt a good computer using after-market parts claiming Dell is a good brand.

Kraken is shit and you'll need to get a new one or replace all the parts eventually.

I've had a fully working TM SR-16 for a long time and it never failed me except when I personally did stupid stuff on it (don't ask).

Out of all of my GBBs the best one is clearly my TM P226 and my TM M1911A1 and they are both stock.

I've just acquired a TM AK-47 full metal for 550$ It has some upgraded internals as well. I just spent less than your scratch built AK, it's a TM, it's full metal and it's not based off of a Kraken.

When I joined ASC, I didn't have the proper funds to buy myself a good AEG so I waited until I could afford one. Nowadays it seems like all newcomers go for shitsoft right away instead of waiting a few months for the good stuff.

It's like buying the cheapest, oldest with most mileage rusty BMW and slapping an ///M5 sticker on it. Out of topic but this reminds me of this funny website, BMW Nightmare; laugh out at all the rice boys on there :P

^I agree.

I wound up ordering the kraken from buyairsoft.ca, it seems to me that there is more bang for your buck.
I also ordered some RPK wood off ebay to compliment it, anybody got a metal lower for sale?
I appreciate everyones insight although quite a bit of it came across pretty snobbish.

Not only am I snobbish, Im also a pretentious asshole too.

Enjoy your buyairsoft kraken, Im sure it will work fine. But if it ever shits out, dont come crying to us.

You wanted our opinion we gave it to you, you made your choice. Its like asking BMW owners what they think of Ford Festivas.

I'm snobbish as well. Proud.

*shrug*. I originally purchased a CYMA 027 MP5. Mark sent me the wrong gun, and I got sick of waiting 4 months so I went to ASCA and bought a CA36 instead. Roughly twice as expensive, but I don't regret it one bit. Other than shitty wiring (which was a problem with the MP5 I originally bought anyway) the CA is a very solid gun, and I've had no issue at all with the internals. Definetly glad my impatience forced me to go high end for my first gun. I'm patiently waiting for my new L85 now. After owning a TM FA-MAS, it will be my first China gun.

i bought one because i couldnt find anything else, then i found a&a....shortly after sold the kracken.

My reason for getting a Kraken is a bit selfish. There's not a lot of local players in my area and to get people out I often have to lend out my extra guns. I bought the Kraken as a cheap loaner/rental gun. I figure I'll just have an SP90 installed and metal bushings, and have it re-shimmed and hopefully it'll hold up well enough that I don't have to risk my more expensive guns on noobs. If it can keep one of my more expensive guns from getting damaged, then as far as I'm concerned... mission accomplished. :)

Plus... it's ugly enough that the person borrowing it will have incentive to buy his own gun. :)

I wouldn't say wanting a shitty gun for a loaner is selfish. So far I've had one gun broken (G36) and another part lost from my FA-MAS because of letting other people handle it.

you are a saint. i would throw a shit fit if that happened to be and only after the shit fit would it finally sink in what had happened and then i really would get angry.

QTF and +1

After all the people with experience told you it was shit, you chose to read selectively and only look at the advice you liked. Have fun with your Kraken.

Hey!

You BMW owners can drive you fancy cars while I get my 40 Miles per Gallon in the Festiva!

Agreed, there is such a thing as entry level.
These are just toy guns after all is said and done.

Let's just say I've learned my lesson. The only people who are touching my airsoft guns now are those who already own them and know how to handel them.

Same thing with me, some people don't know how to take care of their guns or other people's.

yeah he charges alot to ship. I just got my kraken and its awsome. but i am also thinking of mabey upgrading it a little. Also thanks for that list.

You could build from scratch for cheaper tho
and you would get a better build

Hey guys, I had a Kraken, and I regret getting rid of it cause it was just so damn reliable. After thinking about it now, that gun is totally untouchable in reguards for quality/reliablility for the price. My nephew bought it, now it's 2 years old, it's had probably 40k bb's through it and still works great.

I have half a mind to buy another one and Sell my JG M4-S System. Then just upgrade to metal body, wood kit, tightbore, and better cyclinder. run a 9.6v battery in there and it's a damn good gun. It's better than my JG I can say that much and it's half the price.

No you see.. What I did there.. I was talking about an actual BMW and an actual festiva.. no metaphorical speech there at all..

Edit: If you're age verified I can get you a kraken :)

These things are actually decent platforms if you're willing to invest 400 dollars... For 400 dollars you get a fully upgraded full wood and full metal kraken..

Just from what I've ready on the Kraken, I think it's a worthwhile gun. It's available for under $200, performs well, and it completely TM compatible. Now, how reliable it is doesn't really seem to be an issue. From every review I've read, it seems to hold up quite well considering the price. The battery is crap and aesthetics substandard, but otherwise, the gun seems to shoot well according to reviews of it. A lot of people are screaming that it's unreliable, but none of those people seem to actually own the gun in question either.

Now, I can see this being appealing to 2 different types of people. First, there's the noobs. They don't want to spend $500+ on a gun for a sport they know nothing about. Maybe they just want a gun to plink in their basement with. Perhaps they want to try playing airsoft and want a good starter gun to use rather than paying tons of bucks for a big brand name only to not like the game and now use it. You gotta start somewhere. When you want to learn guitar, do you automatically buy a $2000 guitar and a $3000 amp? Of course not. Why would they need to buy an expensive brand name gun to start off with? While there's something to be said about buying good quality, not everyone wants to spend that kind of money on a new toy.

The second type of people this gun appeals to is the tinkerer / tweaker on a budget. You can buy a TM AK for $550, and then get a battery, upgrade its internals to get better performance than the weak 280 fps they come at stock. So by the time you have a new spring, new bushings, etc installed to beef the TM's power to 350-ish fps, chances are you've poured at least another $50-75 into it. And you still have a plastic gun. Yes, it looks good and real, but it's still plastic. For less than that, you can fully upgrade the Kraken to be every bit as good and reliable as the TM, AND have it externally upgraded to metal and wood. To me, that's a no-brainer if you know what you're doing.

Essentially, you ARE building a new gun when you uprade a Kraken in this fashion. You pretty much remove all the questionable and undesirable parts on the gun, and salvage the useable parts - cheaper than buying the parts from scratch. Plus, you get the added advantage of being able to upgrade your gun bit by bit, if you don't have the money to upgrade everything at once.

Personally, I'd be in this second group if I didn't have that RS Type 56 on the way. I think it's a good way to get a great AK without spending a whole lot of money.

And I should add that I went with TM as my first real AEG also based on everyone's claims of quality, they never break down, etc. I had my brand new TM M4A1 for about a month and had fired about 10 000 rounds out of it, and I had my spur gear blow out. I had put at least triple that many through a cheapo Double Eagle AK47 without a problem, and really abused the AK47 with full auto fire and dry firing. I went very easy on the M4, yet it broke down easily.

lol. do...this is what i can make out of all this stuff you guys are posting,

upgrading a kraken is like building an AK from scratch?

In a nutshell, that's pretty much it dude. And the end product is an all metal and wood AK that's nicer, performs better, and is just as reliable as a stock TM AK47, only for less money.

Way I see it and exactly what I'm currently doing:

If I were to buy a TM AK, I would upgrade it internally, and I would upgrade it to metal and wood.

A TM AK is close to 600 dollars new... and I'd be scrapping the body and the plasti-wood.

The Kraken is 200 dollars and I'd be putting the exact same parts into it as the TM... The only difference is that with a TM you wouldn't NEED a new hopup... But I'm a fan of prowin hopups, So I'd personally throw a new one in.

my only woe about the kraken is the furniture is made out of the shittiest plastic I've ever felt.

Other than that, It's a perfect upgrade platform.

+1

i checked the site for the kraken metal kit and couldnt find it. Do they still sell it?

kraken doesn't make a metal kit other companies do. Its a tm clone so pretty much look up AK47 lower receiver metal and you'll find some

so here is my two cents,

I have had both tm and cyma ak-47.
I liked the tm a lot its got a nice feel and no so plasticy feel, where with the cyma it feels and looks like plastic.
But the thing about the cyma that makes it better in my opinion, and everyone seems to be missing is as follows:

It shoots about 1j
it comes with a high cap mag (600 rounds)
it comes with a okay battary (8.4 2400 mah)
it comes with a crappy sling

Its cheap!

You have a working gun out of the box, if you are new to the sport or need a spare then pay your 220$ canadian. Don't mess with it don't change anything, maybe paint it. Play with it till it breaks enjoy it for its simple and yet effective use. Down the line you with try the TM and understand the differences when you do.

Cyma is okay, not great not bad. It is okay.

I have not real beef against Krakens. I would personally never touch one with a 20 foot pole, but thats my opinion. I just can't understand why someone would go through the huge hassle it is to order and install all the parts needed to put the gun up to par with a TM. Why not just wait a few more months and by an gun of some quality? Realistically thats all it takes; a little more time to earn the money.

but really if you buy a stock tm dont they only have like 290fps. And personally I really enjoy working on my gun. But I can see for someone who doesnt like ripping a gun apart all the time a TM would prob be the best bet.

Agreed, I'm not going to spend like $400+ for a sport I might not even like. They are actually only $160 at SIR now.

Who cares? I've played with quite a few people who use stock TM guns, and every single one of them is a better player than I am. n00bs shouldn't be upgrading their guns until they've played with them for a while anyway. Upgrade the gun to suit your play style, not the other way around. A good player can compensate for lower FPS more than high FPS can compensate for a bad player.

i bought one of those kits, 30$. front grip and pistol grip, nothing bad to say, but the rear sock cracked just as i put it in place.

After helping build an RPK stock, the stock tangs on both Marui (and unfortunately, every other clone that was ever made) makes it very hard to make a nice solid of the correct diameters.

Cheaper stuff, while cheap, isn't guaranteed to last as long just because of the thinness of the material where the stock tangs are. Just look at a TM/Whatever stock and look at where it attatches to the stock tangs, and it's pretty darn thin material.

it depends on what kinda motor you want to change.

The hight torque or the high speed or the medium

http://botu.bokee.com/photodata2/200...14998592_h.jpg

yo you cold but like 2 krackens for the price of a mauri so just by the krackens and if they break you can use mauri replacemant parts of buy a new kracken

Can you write that in english?

I have a Kraken, and what most of you are leaving out of your comments are the fact that someone might want to get one because they LIKE upgrading it bit by bit ( like me ). It's a cheap starter gun and if it turns out you like the sport you can upgrade it and learn more about the internals of AEGs. Working on and upgrading my kraken is one of my hobbies, if you dont want to take your gun apart, or wont, or are too lazy just get a TM and dont worry about upgrading it (unless it decides to break at some point in which youre screwed because you dont want to upgrade or educate yourself about the internals of your own gun)

Um, so because they bought the reliable gun that would work for an entire season of heavy firing with out any issue; we assume such a person would not want to edumacate themselves on the internals of their gun?


The FIRST gun someone should buy entering this sport should be VERY reliable and last them all the while they are investing the rest of their money into gear, ie. mags, batteries, battery charger, mag pouches, radio ((this is a big one that so many people cheap out on)), hydration packs, BOOTS ((I swear I see one more person in sandles, I'm buying an M249 to make them dance the rest the game!)). Of all the guns out there now I'd actually recommend a G26 CA or TM as their first gun, with the magwell conversion kit allows them access to the cheaper easier to get AR mags and mag pouches.

If someone wants to buy a Kraken and basically replace everything on it to make claims of a better than TM gun; cool, just don't call it a Kraken no more cause there's almost nothing left of the Kraken on it! Its kinda like calling a TM AR that has had G&P metal body, G&P reinforced mechbox, G&P internals, G&P one piece outer barrel, G&P RAS installed on it, cause really all thats left TM is the stock and front sight, and maybe the grip but those get changed out too. ((Using a gun build of my own from a long while back as an example)).

im gonna try and get a kraken ak til i can get a jg or something like that and then hand it down to my brother. so im probly not gonna attempt to mess with it except that im probly gonna use a 9.6v battery instead of the 8.4v it comes with. and i thought you all say krakens are clear. this one appears to be black and white or light beige.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=004
but ok heres what i dont understand. it sounds like you guys buy a kraken and then replace 100% of it. why not save the cost of the kraken iteslf and just build your own gun?? or if your replacing everything on your kraken it then sounds to me like you would have two guns when youre done. i dont get it.

oh and on ak wood kits. have you guys ever thought of doing any wood work on them such as refinishing for a dif stain or, engraving designs into the wood, or even creating your own custom shaped "furniture"?

i said screw it. i found myself bidding higher for it on ebay. got up to 70 dollars and was still outbid and i was gonna bid again and i was like whoooaaa! thank fuck i was out bid i can just go buy the whole lot better jg ak i been wanting for this price

basically just invest 600 in a fully built up gun instead, probably last longer and shoot harder :P

well, first of all, Maury is pretty dope, but i've heard really good things about Krakens. They are a good quality gun for cheap.

and what happens when your $600 dollar gun breaks down? Gonna tinker with a $600 gun or a $150 one.