Battary Charger Help - TLP 4000C & Smart Charger (NPT Charger)
 

Hi, I have just ordered my first AEG, and now i would like some help on choosing the right charger in order to preserve my batteries.

I have searched the forums and found some info, but most do not compare the TLP 4000C and the ones know as Smart Charger (such as the NPT Charger).
Which one would you guys recommend, if what i want is a good charger that can prolong the life of my batteries.
I have both 8.4 V small and large type batteries.

I will be able to get any of the charges at a similar price (Smart charger: $70, and TLP4000C: $75, both with shipping to Canada already included).

Would the smart charger like the NPT one be able to charger a 8.4 V Intellect 8.4v 3300mah or 3600mah Battery?

Does the NPT smart charger comes with both large and small battery adapters?

Thanks guys, your help will be much appreciated it.

Holy crap, a quick search for Smart chargers on Ebay gave me the following chargers:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Universal-Smart-...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Universal-Smar...QQcmdZViewItem

These Smart Chargers' picture and features description seems EXACTLY the same as the ones sold here in Canada for twice as much, such as the Advanced NPT 1000-3000mah Charger sold at bbbastard.com and others smart charges.

I even emailed one of these sellers and he said that he do not see any difference between them ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5430%26fvi%3D1 )

So ALL these Smart charges are basically the same? I mean do they have exactly the same technology and features?

I know from the forums that bbbastard.com offers an excellent warranty for the Advanced NPT 1000-3000mah Charger they sell, and would replace a charger if anything happens, and that alone is priceless, and worth paying the extra over an Ebay seller, which basically offers no warranty at all.

But i thought that the NPT Charger feature and technology was something developed by them, but i guess all these smart charges are pretty much the same regarding the features, correct?

please guys if you know more about these smart chargers, give me some help or any insight.
Thanks

do not scimp out on battery charge, get a good one lilke a deep cycle, fuzzy logic, trickle charge, types...

just go to a hobbyshop and get the one you like. AVOID getting cheap charger or things that do not have more than 1 LED or and LCD. (like the cheap chargers from ebay)

I am using a Duratrax ICE, but used a GreatPlanes Triton, Piranah Digital peak charger and Intellipeak lineup.

I can tell you they work GREAT.

You can also get some other hobby grade chargers. Some run for only 50$ and outperform any "Smart charger" you can find for cheap (or not that cheap).

I can get these "smart charger" for 25$ +shipping... and they are not worth it.

Thank you Kos-Mos, there isn't any hobbyshop, that i know of, where i live, so my only option is actually only purchasing online, and it would most likely be more expensive, since everything in Alberta is so freaking expensive :)

So basically i should just forget about these Smart chargers, right? (even the NPT one???)

I've read some good reviews about the DuraTrax Piranha AC/DC Digital Peak Charger NiCd/NiMH AND the TLP All In One Charger (model 4000C) ( http://aasurplus.ca/airsoft/product_...products_id=85)
http://cgi.ebay.com/DuraTrax-Piranha...QQcmdZViewItem

You mentioned you've used the Piranha Digital peak charger, how did you like it?

Would you recommend the Piranha Digital peak charger OVER the TLP All In One Charger (model 4000C)?
I think i will decide between one of these, as i know where to get them online.
Please let me know what do you think about the TLP All In One Charger (model 4000C) and the Piranha Digital peak charger, because I don't really know what are my other options for a decent, but not so expensive charger.
Thanks

Hey leblanc74,
How about the TLP All In One Charger (model 4000C), would you recommend that one? have you ever used one of these?

In the features specifications, it says that this charger has adjustable charge current, Fast/Slow/Dis-Charge, Fuzzy Trickle Charge, Maintenance Routine, AC/DC input, Cooling Fan, NiCd and NiMH compatible, etc.

So i think this has the deep cycle, fuzzy logic, trickle charge you mentioned correct?

Sorry guys for such lame questions, but i've never had any of those "fancy" chargers, as i've always used the cheap ones.
But since i am getting into AEG Airsoft now, and I know that batteries are expensive so I want a good charger now to preserve the battery life as much as possible.
thanks

I REALLY prefer the pirahna because it charges the battery a lot better, you can adjust current and you have a LCD display showing current voltage and current. It also give a good idea of the actual capacity your battery is holding.

It does not discharge, but I found that the TLP chargers tend to be very inconsistent on the discharge. Best thing to do it to get 5 car headlamps (the cheapest ones) and weld them in parallel. You will get a 5A discharger an then you just need a voltmeter to monitor. Gives a lot better results than any other technique used... discharge your pack at 0.9v/cell, so a 9.6v pack (8 cells) should be downed at 7.2v (dont go further)

if you have a mini pack, you should be discharging at 10A... I thing the TLP chargers are doing 2A....
A large pack should be between 25-30A. (That means 30 light bulbs... takes a lot of space and generates a lot of heat. but 5A is ok....)

Don't dismiss the value of NPT technology. Just because its a less expensive charger doesn't mean what it does is not valuable. Also make sure it IS an NPT charger - I've seen "Advanced Chargers" that look like the ones that I sell but are nothing more than peak chargers. I wouldn't pay more than $4 for a peak charger. In fact I have a box of about 10 of them in my basement that I wouldn't sell because I wouldn't want my name associated with them.

Also, a lot of these 'fuzzy logic' chargers (not all but many) do nothing more than delta-v cut off for the charge - something that is also a standard method of detecting when to shut off the main charge and go to trickle - a standard feature of even peak chargers. There is nothing 'fuzzy logic' in that, its calling a standard required feature something special and making money off it. I won't begin to rant on the ethics of that crap.

Thirdly, in my experience, most users don't spend the time to learn how to use an adjustable charger (one with the dial for amperage) and consistently charge their batteries on higher settings, destroying the chemistry of the battery and reducing its life significantly. If you're going to use one of those chargers (and I have one as well that I use for reconditioning purposes about once a year) you need to bloody well understand what you're doing.

You can have all the fancy flashing LEDS and displays in the world, but if you don't use the charger property and burn your batteries, a gizmo laden charger is a liability, just as a hot gun in the hands of an asshole is.

SIMPLICITY HAS VALUE.

I have all kinds of chargers in my house for airsoft (having collected many over the years) and I still use the NPT chargers the majority of the time so I don't have to babysit my battery or get the settings wrong and mess up the chemistry (and cook the battery). The computer chip in the charger picks the right charging conditions without me screwing with it. That has value to me.

As for price, well, thats my price on my website but you're free to shop around and if you get a better deal, by all means take it. I go to a lot of trouble to respond to people's questions, I sourced out the PROPER NPT charger and not a disguised peak charger (yes there are blue box peak chargers marked as NPT chargers!) and I have an unconditional one year warranty on all charger and battery products - ask anyone here who has had a problem and I've swapped out batteries and chargers at the drop of a hat. What you pay for from me when you pay the extra $10 or $15 bucks (add your customs and taxes in as well friends) is service, my expertise and the gaurantee of being taken care of in the event of a problem or malfunction. And since I've sent several chargers back to my supplier and gotten new ones months later, I know what their policy is on returns and it frankly sucks, especially at those profit margins, they have no interest in serving you the way I do. I use expedited shipping and ship same or next day - you don't wait weeks for my products to arrive at your doorstep. Plus my associate Bastards all over Ontario appear at games selling these same products at the same prices as what is on my website, making it even easier for you to get my product with no hassles. Finally, I am local and people know me, I'm not some nameless eBay site that might screw you. I have a track record for service and value. Personally I think thats worth the premium of what amounts to perhaps a 5 to 10% margin.

Sorry, these threads pop up every few months and I just get pissed off when I read them, especially when many of the self proclaimed 'experts' on this board tend to know fuck-all about what they're talking about or at worst are chairsofters talking out of the tops of their heads.

Have a Merry Christmas and stick a bag of Bastards under the tree for your favorite weekend warrior!

Oh and one other thing.

If you want a good discharger that doesn't burn your battery, is inexpensive and easy to find, go to Canadian Tire and buy a 12v automotive backup light and connect it to your battery to discharge it. The draw of the light is a load that is long and does not burn the battery and the light is visible so you know when its done. It also leaves the necessary residual charge in the battery - you should never completely discharge a battery, that destroys the chemistry. Total cost should not exceed $5. So buying a charger for the sole purpose of getting a 10A discharge circuit (which is TOO HIGH IMHO) is a waste of money.

you want a TLP... get the best from TLP which is the TLP TL-15 most of the people that I know uses it, including me and if they are not using this one they have the Systema LCD version. I charge anything, actually I recondition my car battery last month with it...a little complicated at first but once you know how to use it, you are good to go... In Canada this charger is almost 200$ at some places, but there are alot cheaper places in the US or in Hong Kong... here's a link to one the retailers that sells it...88$ sounds resonable for it...but shop around you might able to get it cheaper...

http://www.cobraairsoft.com/product_...4754856b20a1aa

link for you:http://stores.ebay.com/eHobby-Asia-A...dZ2QQpZ2QQtZkm

I use a TLP-TL15 1-15 cells, gray.

I know that Hong Kong company, they do not carry at this moment the TL15, but some other people carry it .... here...

http://cgi.ebay.com/TLP-TL15-AC-DC-F...QQcmdZViewItem

or


http://cgi.ebay.com/TLP-TL15-1-15-Ce...QQcmdZViewItem

My understanding is that "fuzzy logic" on these chargers is nothing more than detecting the number and type of cells and pre-calculating what the peak cut off is - essentially advanced delta-v. Aside from that its is a conventional charger with no negative pulse functionality. It also relies on you as the user to set the dial correctly for the charge as opposed to using safe presets as detected by an intelligent process, so don't set it wrong. My charger does this automatically within a specific range and uses battery safe settings while optimizing charge time.

I have one of these TLP chargers and I only use it for pack reconditioning using the cycle-discharge function which removes battery memory. I condition my batteries about once every 14 months and in the interim use the NPT charger for game to game charging. I also use that mode to revive people's "dead" batteries that they send me. So the charger has value in that regard. Beyond that I would seek and NPT charger for game to game charging.

You want one of these.

Actually, CADEX UCC units use NPT technology - and were one of the first commercial battery conditioners to do so.

I have a TLP Expro Deluxe LCD Intellicharger with Discharger comming this week. lol Sadly, don't know if I want to sell it or not when it comes it after reading this thread.

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...il?prodID=8675

Can you find some credited source stating that NPT works and is not a marketing ploy?

Read this.
http://www.powerdesigners.com/pdf/Ne...nd%20Facts.pdf

many people uses this already....TLP TL-15 and has been proven quite effective including myself,

want something better then go with the best, plug in your battery and that is it, the unit will do everything for you, but it will not be cheap....
http://www.airsplat.com/Systema%20Fu...%20Charger.htm

point final....

How about the DuraTrax IntelliPeak ICE DC Charger? (http://cgi.ebay.com/DuraTrax-Intelli...QQcmdZViewItem)

is it a better charger than the TLP-TL15-AC/DC Fuzzy Logic charger?

I read that the DuraTrax IntelliPeak ICE can charge battery capacity ranging from 100-9900mAh.

I have a 3600mha and a 4200mha battery, can the TLP-TL15-AC/DC Fuzzy Logic charger, charge such batteries?

Holy crap, that Systema Fuzzy Logic Charger looks awesome, but would cost a small fortune i suppose.

Well i don't think i will need all of that :)

I want one charger that is reliable, easy to operate and that will not f***ed up my batteries, and which could also prolong the battery's life if possible.

not sure about Duratrax, looking at it, looks decent, but I did not have time to read the specification since I am not the one purchasing a charger, in regards to your question, just look up the specification on each charger the TL15 and the IntelliPeak ICE or other kinds and get the best that suits you...the TL15 for me charges what I want to charge which are Systema's 9v -12v Battery and a few 8v to 9v NiCad 2400's .... I even do not even bother with that dial setting, just have it on the lowest possible dial setting and press start button 3 times and leave it overnight... Like I said it charged my car battery no problem...

That Systema is around 250$ here in Vancouver, Personally, I am really considering it and selling my TL-15... I like to have the best gadjets and that LCD and the silver look is pretty sweet...

I know 7 people that used the TL15 for at least 4 years now... and they praises it... that is why I got mine, but if I would do it again, during my battery charger research, I would just gotten the Systema and save myself a headaches on reading all the specification on each battery charger out there...all well live and learn...come to think about it if someone would offer me a good price for my charger, I will not hesitate and sell it and I would order the Systema within that minute...actually, nevermind, I am getting that systema now....man what am I going to do with 2 chargers now...LOL

My Airsoft guns should be arriving by next Wednesday the latest and i did not buy any charger when i ordered my guns because the cheapest charper A&A had was 35 bucks and the TLP one over $100, and i will need a charger to try the guns because it they have any problem i only have 4 days to test them.
I am still on my "quest" for my ideal charger, but I pretty close to choose one, thanks to all you guys fantastic help, however even if i order one today, it won't be here on time for me to test my airsoft guns.

So i would like to know if any of you guys know where i can get a VERY cheap charger in EDMONTON, that i can use only to test my airsfot guns when they arrive.

Do you know if Walmart or Canadian Tire sells any cheap airsoft charger that comes with the proper connector, and that i could use to charge the batteries?

Please let me know if you know any place in Edmonton, or any department store that sells such chargers

Thanks guys

just go to a RC hobby shop....

Where can you order the Systema one?
Just curious: how much for your TL15? ;)

For the ICE charger from duratrax.... you better read the manual...

I REALLY recommend the piranha Digital charger..... used it (welll 5 of them) for about a year beofre getting 5 Duratrax ICEs

Basically you can adjust every setting you want....

There is also an AUTO MODE

just plug in your batteries and it will do the rest, including NPT (that can be adjusted from 0.01% to 2% cycles), cell autodetect, temperature monitor, voltage and current control... and adjust trickle charge so the pack can stay charged forever....

You could even set it so that it charges your pack to be ready in... let's say 5 hours.... in exactly 5 hours your pack will be ready (minus a 2 min cooldown if you are using high charge rates)

Can also discharge at 10A..... and autocycle your pack up to 10 times (nobody wants that, but it can be done)

Used them since 2003... still have one (I stopped racing, so no need to have 1000$ in chargers anymore)

To Scarecrow...

Just curious...
How does your charger decide if the pack connected is made from mini (2/3A) or from sub-C cells... best guess would be internal res... but still I have racing grade 2/3A packs that have lower res than most sub-C packs

go to The Source (formerly Radio Shack) and buy any 4-5 hours charger for 9.6v packs.... it will work for the time being... I don't recommend using that for more than 2-3 charges as it might damage your packs... can get one for 15$

http://www.empireairsoft.com/product...roducts_id=348 (very good service...)
http://www.airsplat.com/Items/AC-BC-SYS-FLCC.htm
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...%20Dischargers

dude just get a bbastard charger... it works nicley you dont need to do anything more than plug it in... for the noob in all of us

Kos-Mos, do you know how the TLP TL15 compare with the Duratrax Intellipeak ICE?

I've read the specifications from both, but I don't really understand them :)

I will be able to get either one for a similar price.

I also checked the piranha Digital charger you mentioned and it seems a pretty nice charger, but I would rather spend an extra 50, 60 bucks now and get a top of the line charger, than having to buy it later.

So please let me know if you have any experience with the TLP TL15 or any TLP when compared to the Duratrax Intellipeak ICE.

(I am pretty close to pull the triger on either the TLP TL15 or the Duratrax Intellipeak ICE)

By the way Kos-mos,
Does the Duratrax Intellipeak ICE come with all the large a mini tamiya connector necessary to charge Airsoft guns battery, or do i have to buy the connectors separately?

Is it easy and simple to use it?

If you don't understand the specs, don't get it.

If you go to Duratrax website, you can see all their Intellipeak series charger...

look at the digital pulse...
http://www.duratrax.com/caraccys/dtxp4100.html

remind you anything?

The ICE is way better, but again if you don't understand the specs given, you are not ready for a charger like that.
You better get the Piranha Digital...
Only reason I changed is that my new racing packs needed to be charged at least 6A.... the piranha only does up tp 5A

As for the TLP-15 (same exact thing as the Intellipeak Digital pulse) I found that it tend not to stop charging the batteries (got 2 battery explode on me, and they where not old at all)

If you want you can also check for CheckPoint brand chargers. They are apparently a division of Duratrax and do the ICE, but with some revisions. (Backlit LCD, better software, can discharge at 30A)

http://www.bestrc.com/teamcheckpoint/chargers/

*edit*
All chargers come with large Tamiya style plug
The ICE also comes with alligator clips and have banana plugs on the other end so you can change the leads without having to cut wires.
So do the Team CheckPoint one.
The Piranha one had some quick attach inputs so you can also change the leads, but the lead wires tend to break after a few months, then you just have to cut, skin and twist the conductor for a few other months.

*edit2*
For the mini style plugs, you have 2 choices
1- order some extra plugs online
2- change all your plugs to Dean's Ultra and take the one inside your gun to make an adapter in case you need to borrow a pack

I honestly can't tell you Kos-Mos. What I do know is there is a general chipset for charging out there that most "Smart" (meaning NPT/Delta-v/# cell detectors) chargers use - not just mine, that have circuitry to sense and logic to calculate such things. What I have found from experience, owning several different chargers from manufacturers making many claims is that the best all around charger which requires no technical knowledge to use is the NPT Smart Charger which I sourced and currently sell. One of the reasons I started selling it was because most of my teammates were going through batteries like wildfire, including myself, not understanding battery technology at all, and we all commonly burned our batteries - most of us had the money to buy really Gucci chargers (I paid $300 for my fuzzy logic one back in an RC hobby shop in Scarborough) and it made no difference. I finally came across one of these ones and was blown away at the simplicity and speed of charge and the lack of heat generated during the charge process - and the extended life of my batteries. So it was first by experience as a player that I came across this charger. Then all my teammates wanted one. Then players who saw them wanted one. Pretty soon I had sold over 100 of them. Now its one of the more common chargers out there.

NPT Explained: http://www.bbbastard.com/nptdetails.htm

TankDude: That paper is an interesting find, but, I find it hard to believe based on both my experience and also by the number of high end electronics manufacturers that use NPT, (including the US military) to condition mission critical and lifesaving batteries - funny enough even the AED and Defib battery circuitry on our fire rescue vehicles in town has battery conditioning using, in part, NPT technology - and thats NFPA standards which are lifesaving standards. So that paper contradicts a lot of what the higher end of the industry is doing. My feeling is that there is a vested interest at play there.

As for proof, I do know a little chemistry and when it comes to oxidation and the claims regarding using a negative pulse to degassify a battery are supported by the physics of the process. Also, from an evidence point of view, I can set both my NPT charger and my TLP chargers side by side and fast charge time is similar for both for the same battery, but I do find the TLP charger charges the batteries at a hotter (much hotter) temperature, and that is a bad thing.

Kos-Mos, I also contend that these TLP hand adjustable chargers are by and large a product for the RC car racing scene, where peaking your battery before that critical race can make all the difference to winning and racers look at batteries in a little more disposable mentality in RC car racing than they do in airsoft - ultimately a battery is a chemical construct that will degrade over time and use. How you treat it will dictate the length of life. Unlike airsoft, RC car racing is a sustained use of the battery whereas airsoft is a very short stop and go, relying more on a battery's short surge performance than its sustained run time. As such in airsoft its possible to stretch a battery's life longer because you're not heating the crap out of it during sustained discharge. Finally, battery life is measured in charge/discharge cycles. Unless you're dealing with memory or performance issues, cycling your battery uses up its life and should be minimized where possible. I talk to some people who don't realize this and computer cycle their batteries after every game and wonder why they only get half a season out of their batteries. I've got some batteries that are over 3 years old and still working great - a testimony I think to those NPT chargers.

NPT is not something I developed, but its something I've championed with my product line for over 3 years now because I was so impressed with the results as a player who played often twice to three times a week (when I was hosting at Deadlands I held Tuesday, Thursday and weekend games each week during the summer), so I am talking from experience as well as having done research on the subject. Also when I started selling NPT chargers, I was one of the only ones who made the distinction and promoted them over straight peak chargers - now many other airsoft retailers have picked it up including those on the internet.

P.S. I am not bashing the TLP chargers - what I am saying is if you're going to spend the money, get one with NPT capability, and learn about battery charging so you don't mess up the settings when you charge your batteries. Also, don't use the cycle mode unless you're addressing a specific problem, it puts undo wear on the battery. If you're prepared to do those things then you should have a good experience with TLP and fuzzy logic on the higher end chargers. My contention is that most players don't want to be battery chemistry experts calculating their own amps when charging batteries for the next game, so the simple solution, that is inexpensive one, has value over the complex one that is more expensive when you compare apples to apples.

NPT charger
 

I've used one of BBbastard's NPT charger on all my batteries for the past season (since Feb2007). No worries about burning down the house overnight, charges/tops-off really quickly, simple red=charging/green=done (I've got other things to do than to sit around watching batteries charge), comes with all the connectors for just about every type of connector (except Deans Ultra...hint hint). There's only one switch on the thing, to charge between 1A and 2A.

I have no idea if it prolongs the life of the battery, removes memory, revives a dead battery, makes your gun shoot for ever all day, whatever/etc....I'll just leave that to the battery/electricians out there to debate. It just works (as long as you plug it into the wall for power!!! :rolleyes:).

The ONLY time it didn't pickup and autodetect a battery, was when I was helping out a new guy and his battery was so dead that neither his smart charger, nor mine would detect it. I plugged it into a $7 wall charger for 15min and then the NPT charger would pick it up. It took a long time before that one was done, but the new guy has been rocking on his M4 ever since.

PLUS...it's f*cking silent...no fans, or droning noise, no beeping or buzzing...

PLUS...the times that I've dealt with Scarecrow, he's been extremely good and fast at replying to questions or followup info. Shipping times were great. His prices are extremely competitive for what you're getting and he'll stand behind what he sells.

And yes...I've run out of 0.20 bbs and am hoping he'll toss me some gratis for this unsolicited, shameless plug...just kidding, LOL.

Tys

question : I always use the low-speed charge settings on my tl-15, but was wondering: what changes exactly when fast-charging? is it the voltage ? is the dial setting used when doing so ?

I also leave it at the minimium setting, that is the rate that charges the battery, to my understanding, if you take your time on recharging the battery, better life you'll have with them...

that dial is for mAh capacity rating of the battery... the manual states that if a 2400 mAh battery is plugged in, then you set the dial just below to the 2400 mark...yes I know there are no marks but you have to approximate it...I advise you to set it lower than the batteries' mAh to be sure not to burn them...

I've never had a AEG gun before or used any of these chargers, so i have no experience at all with it.

Would it be possible to learn how to operate the ICE charger by reading the instructions that comes with it?

For now i will not try to use any of the more advanced feature of the charger. For now i just want to plug my battery and charge it without destroying the battery or shortening the battery's life.

Would even in that case be hard to operate the ICE charger?

Of course down the road i will read more and learn more about the features so that i can safely use them, otherwise why would i buy it.

What I DON'T want to do is to spend about $65 to $75 bucks for a Piranha or any smart chargers now and then later, after seeing that the ICE and more advanced ones are way batter with all its great features, have to spend again another $130 bucks more, whereas I could just drop another $50 extra bucks and get the ICE one.

So my main concern now is to know how hard it is to use/operate the ICE or TLP 15 one, because it will be pointless to buy the ICE and then, not being able to charge my batteries, have to get a another cheap charger

Thanks

PS: sorry guys for SO MANY noob questions, but after dropping over a $1000 on my first Airsoft AEGs, my mind is going nuts, and i can't think on anything else :)
This thing is sure addictive, and expensive, and you guys have been so helpful all along that questions just keep pooping up on my mind

welcome to aircrack.... hello my name is leblanc and I am an addict to airsoft...

wait until you get into some gears.... LOL :smack:

BTW, have you guys noticed when we search on google.ca for NPT charger this thread is the first one in the list. Even on top of bbbastard.com website.
Even when you type TLP 4000C, or piranha digital peak charger it show up as one of the top ones on the search list.
Cool isn't it?:D

Maybe not? since there is also lots of other thread from Airsoft Canada :smack:

Google is pretty cool in that regard. I am not sure how they index so much stuff so quickly. Even Santa could take a lesson on speed from Google...

I just found out something I didn't noticed and nobody mentioned about the Intellipeak ICE charger, which is the fact that the Ice is a DC charger ONLY and if you want to use it on AC power, such as a household outlet, you'll need to use an AC-to-DC power supply!

I will basically only use the charger in a household outlet, at least for now.

Guys I am the "noobiest" guy around here, I am pretty sure of it! the only batteries i know how to charge are my laptop, cell phone and PSP batteries :smack: :banghead:

When I go to the hobby shop and ask for the Intellipeak ICE, how should I order the AC-to-DC power supply?
Should i just ask for a AC power cord for the charger?

Does any of you know a link to where i can see such AC-to-DC power supply for the ICE charger? i just want to see how they look like and what is the proper name.

I don't believe the guys at the hoppy shop really know what they are doing, at least if they are as knowledgeable as the futureshop and best buy people:p (please no offense for the good ones or if you work there :)

But i trust you guys ;)

My TL15 also came with a European outlet "big hunkers", as long the charger can regulate itself it is ok....the TL15 had a switch at the back to set to 120 volt...i simply use a computer outlet cord, I do not know about the ICE product, maybe here that has one can relate to it

....those ac/dc are quite expensive, try to avoid extra cost if possible, and stick with somthing simple...

Scarecrow you are dead right!
I asked some of these cheap ebay smart charger and NONE have the NPT technology.
So I guess they just use the same housing :)

yeah, man a freaking good ac/dc will cost me more 140 bucks, so i out of the ICE, because for that price i'd rather get the awesome systema one (does the sytema have ac/dc adapter??)

leblanc7, did your TLP - TL15 come standard with the AC/DC power cable adapter?
Does the TLP - TL15 come with all the necessary cables for large and mini connector for airsoft batteries?

Can the TLP - TL15 charge a large type 3600 mha battery? i thought it could charge, but reading rewolf website it says that the TLP - TL15 would batteries ranging from 110mah through 3300mah.
So how about the 3600 mha battery? because i have one 3600 mha here.
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=10869


I read the instructions that come with any TLP charge are bad and pretty much useless, so i wonder how hard will it be for me to actually learn how to use the TLP-TL15 charger