PTW Handguard
 

Since i can't post in my old thread (don't know why heh...)

Here goes:

This is the front handguard i have chosen for my PTW M4A1 MAX:

http://www.talonarms.com/talonarms/i...67e3ef3b7dfab7

Since the M4A1 comes with a delta ring i'll need something else to attach the hanguard, correct?

If yes then what and where can i find it?

Lastly, any chance i can find the same handguard for less?^^ (same look but trades are not that important to me).

Thanks :)

Edit: This WILL fit a Systema PTW M4A1 MAX with no modifications correct?

Have you checked on ebay? You could probably find the same item for 1/4 of the price and there is no problem shipping them into Canada as I ordered a free float RIS for mine and the total cost including shipping was only $60 Cnd.

Not for a real Daniel Defense rail!! You will pay $250 U.S. or more instead of $400 retail, if your lucky.

Case in point:

http://cgi.ebay.com/DANIEL-DEFENSE-Q...QQcmdZViewItem

Ronan, that rail will fit a PTW. But the King Arms MRE looks similar, but is obviously a clone and can be had for $100 or so. But if you want real, you're going to pay for it.

This will fit PTW and it looks like it comes with its own delta ring but, I think you maybe able to use the PTW one as well. This being a US site I don't think they will ship it do you in Canada.

I'll have it imported then.

By who? The problem is not you specifically being able to get it, but the fact that it leaves the U.S. at all. Get it in New york when you go down there. They would sell it another person in the U.S., it's just the foreign customers (individual or business) that would be the issue I think.

would this work for you?

http://cgi.ebay.com/KAC-Style-Knight...QQcmdZViewItem

That's a clone. He's looking for the real thing.

"same look but trades are not that important to me"

Edit: This WILL fit a Systema PTW M4A1 MAX with no modifications correct?

I think as stated above it did not matter what trade it was or perhaps if it even is a clone. I may be incorrect in this assumption though.

Thats a different front handguard. It's nice but it doesn't give me that :D feeling :D

The Daniel Defence once is different, but pretty expensive since it looks only them makes it :(

Daniel Defense
http://www.talonarms.com/talonarms/i...0FSP_1_LRG.jpg

MRE:
http://i15.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/b9/68/e602_1.JPG

I agree its not a BIG difference but the look is much more impressive on the Daniel Defense one (to my taste).

I agree that it is up to the individuals taste. Don't settle for anything other than what you like. You may have to pay the price but in the long run you probably would not regret the decision to pay that much.

Exactly :D

get the DD or LaRue...your PTW deserves it...

for an easier set up...try these one AR 15 LITE Rails in the size you want, these are my personal favorites
example:
http://www.talonarms.com/talonarms/i...roducts_id=634

Yeah but if i get a long one to cover the barrel ill have the exact same one as The Pirate...

Wait for the OMEGA rail. Ryan (WS) says they're gonna be released in spring. Worth the wait , IMHO.

Pics?

You can see there Omega rail here...

https://www.atstacticalgear.com/ista...&id=DD-033!094

Its available in the US but yet again the import/export laws will prevent you from getting one, unless you cross the border and pick one up in person. As Kos pointed WS should get new stock in the spring, I hope a little sooner.

Wow did not know DD made there own upper receiver as well.

They make uppers, and lowers. Apparently they're good..

Ryan said they're coming in, but in the neighbourhood of 380$ .. I'm actually kinda torn between this, and the LiteRail.

this company is also not bad... and quite cheap...
http://www.commandarms.com/Default.asp?c=101537

but that Omega, very nice and I like the name, matches my watch collection :)

Sorry didn't like the Omega rail at all... looks like a very bad clone of the Daniel Defense rails.

...You're kidding, right?

DD produces the Omega. It's just a different type of FFR.

KOS, I think what he meant is that he like's to have the name DD on it and the end portion is different....

anyways, here is another link for you to look at....scrool all the way to the bottom...for YMH 2 pieces... I saw a few guns that has these, they also look pretty good and have a reasonable price...
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Tacti...guards-s/7.htm

I think its the quality of the pics that are shitty not the products

Not a fan of 2 pieces handguards... i always have this bad feeling that i'll actually lose a part or that they will make noise.

Lots of options tho, browsing through everything @_@

One thing is for sure... wallet will be taking big hits soon^^

I wouldn't mind a nice LaRue kit. Too bad they don't ship to canada, and almost no retailer has them.

:(

these are rs parts on real spec shit, highly highly doubt anything could fall off or make noise.
if two peices were a problem then i dontknow what the military would do.
i think you are thinking of those toys...tokyo mauri i think it is.

I am positive this two piece DD rail would not even budge once installed on a PTW. Heck my CASV Vltor clone from Huang is rock solid, so I have no doubt a RS rail system will be as well. Plus side for the Omega is no gun smith required to install it onto your PTW.

Apparently it's a bolt on two-piece.. So you're right. It'll probably never move.

That little bridge over the delta is nice too..

0o00o looking forward to that DD omega :D

There is a US seller on ebay right now with 4 in stock and will ship to Canada. The down side is your playing Russian Roulette hoping both customs accept the package as toy parts.

in regards to importation, if the seller is willing to sell it to me, can i import an DD Omega handguard rail?

.................

So does that mean we cannot import Omega, CASV-EL, and A.R.M.S. handguards?...has anyone from Canada imported handguards? I thought they were acceptable to import...

Eotechs' also...man I already got caught with customs with that one, the US openned my package and bang, I got a letter yadee yaddee yadda, I just said that I did not know anything and so did the seller, and gave us a warning, basically, I could get fined and so does the seller, the reason is that you cannot import anything that the police or military uses....

now for the handguards, well I have no clue on those the only thing is now is that I ordered an A.R.M.S. SIR and maybe down the road if it gets through customs then I will also get a DD Omega "if I choose not to go with LaRue" from www.bravocompanyusa.com , depending if my A.R.M.S. SIR goes through...will see....

You're perfectly able to import it into Canada, but US customs isn't letting it get exported from the states.

ARMS SIR is actually an issued item. It comes standard on many carbines for the U.S. military. If anything is guaranteed export restricted, it's the issued stuff. ARMS for sure will get nabbed.

The EoTech should have clued you in not to try it again.

I am glad I got your attention,

you know pretty much more than I do in regards to this stuff, so the another question is how about the VLTOR's, LaRue's, or an Daniel Defense's handguards? Will US customs would let it go?

I know that LaRue's site will not sell to Canada, but there are always people or supplier that offers it from time to time...;)

And a better question is where could I find out in regards if the item is issued or not.... and if that particular item is importable to Canada or not in reguards to real steel?

dude, that shit will make it through fine. i've bought maybe 1 thing inside canada.
eotechs, gasblocks, ras's, surefires
two or more of each and i havent had problems

He's obviously had a problem Riley. And from Kimbo's deal with the CBSA/RCMP, you should know that you have been more than lucky to have no issues.

For a complete list of export restricted items, you'd have to contact the Americans for that. Try the State Department. But really that's irrelevant. If you want to risk it, order whatever you want. Or order it from in Canada. If you can't find what you want, forget about it and move on. You don't have many options here, the U.S. holds all the cards.

McGuyver is right, I already got in trouble for an EOTech 553 not too long ago. I have a wonderful wife and a beautiful adorable daugther that I want to see each day... like they say, can't do the time, don't do the crime...

And McGuyver, where would I start to see what Canada has for RS, canadian gun nutz?.... I got confused in there for me it is not to user friendly and there are a lot of jargons that I do not understand....to where are the classifieds, can you direct me where are the classifies on that forum?...Thanks in Advance...

You need to get the classifieds "activated" after you register (instructions are in the section heading) otherwise they all say "private".
It took about a day for me.

There is an Eotech up there now, $425 it think.

425$ is the same price that Dave's Surplus has them and they are new....and speaking about Dave's he has an TM AK47 and a TM M14 and a KSC Glock 17 in his show case now...

As has been stated in this thread and so many others , it is a US export issue not a canadian import one. As long as the us retailer/seller has the proper Export permits you are fine. Have you even tried contacting canadian retailers about the DD rail though? you may find some one actually carries them.

I know a fellow who scored a sweet deal on an ARMS SIR from CGN for very cheap. You may not find new very often, but lightly used is fine too. My SIR has been through at least 2 other owners before me, and after a season of use, you couldn't tell about new or "slightly used" anyways.

You won't go to prison. This is an American issue. But they may have you on a "watchlist" now for any future purchases. Word is they have a much more sophisticated border control system than we do. Imagine that!!

your joking right?.... :roll:


I already did ask at Dave's for the VLTOR stuff and he said that stuff is on hold until next year...


maybe I should put my 13 month daughter's name from now on for shipping so when I go to WA during the long weekends and when I pass through customs they will look at my daughter and see that she been trying to import issues army supplies, now that is funny, she will be just there sitting in her car seat saying mamadada, bubudada to the officer... LOL

Yeah, I'm joking. They spend more on border control alone than all of Canada spends on everything.

BTW, this is not a new thing from the U.S. side. Long before I bought my AR in 2006, I was told about this by several retailers when I inquired about getting new do-dads for it. This was also when you couldn't find a new AR in Canada to save your life. Things have smoothed out since then on the actual gun supply, but the accessories are still fudged-up.