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Dieselrebel January 18th, 2008 22:56

Safety on TM Sig P226
 
Since I can't read Japanese, can anyone explain to me where the safety is on my new Sig Sauer P226 by Tokyo Mauri

Flatlander January 18th, 2008 23:03

Your finger...other than that there isn't any. There is the decocking lever which is in front of the slide release...sort of a safety feature but the gun can still be fired (just a much longer trigger pull).

pugs144 January 18th, 2008 23:08

The long, heavy, double-action trigger pull IS the safety.

Renegade) January 18th, 2008 23:18

Push the slide release lever inward from the right side while holding the gun... That is the safety.. not very practical but thats it.

Sergeantmajor January 18th, 2008 23:21

why would you need a safety?

Dieselrebel January 18th, 2008 23:25

I was just curious. My Glocks and DE have a safety, just seems odd that the Sig wouldn't.

I was also thinking along the lines of rules for games. Aside from the clip not being in the gun, I would think the safety should be on sorta thing

PRELUDE January 18th, 2008 23:28

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Originally Posted by Renegade) (Post 619227)
Push the slide release lever inward from the right side while holding the gun... That is the safety.. not very practical but thats it.


+1 ... this is the safety

Flatlander January 18th, 2008 23:40

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Originally Posted by Renegade) (Post 619227)
Push the slide release lever inward from the right side while holding the gun... That is the safety.. not very practical but thats it.

Can you elaborate on those directions...tinkering w/ my 226 here and I can't figure out what your saying or how it works. I was always told there wasn't a safety!

Renegade) January 18th, 2008 23:51

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Originally Posted by Flatlander (Post 619247)
Can you elaborate on those directions...tinkering w/ my 226 here and I can't figure out what your saying or how it works. I was always told there wasn't a safety!

Ok, you have the slide release lever on one side, it goes right through the lower body.. u can see the end of it on the right side of the gun. Push that in with ur finger, it will slide about a mm or 2 inward while the lever is up, ie the gun is in working mode. This slides accross and blocks the trigger arm, u wont be able to pull the trigger after. Try it, youll get it.

pugs144 January 19th, 2008 00:12

The Sig 226 does not have any external safeties and neither do Glocks, Look. It. Up. There seems to be a semantics issue here. I can fill the receiver with cement so that absolutely nothing moves and call that a safety I suppose :rolleyes:

dodger_me January 19th, 2008 00:13

the sig has a safety! its the slide lock!!!!

pugs144 January 19th, 2008 00:17

The slide lock is not a saftey. It is a slide lock.

Flatlander January 19th, 2008 00:28

It appears that mine doesn't have this function - the slide release does not extend to the other side. This is my gun below..

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...rkee56/226.jpg

I believe its a newer model (baught barely used this summer - unknown how long the orig owner had it)

PRELUDE January 19th, 2008 00:29

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Originally Posted by pugs144 (Post 619268)
The slide lock is not a saftey. It is a slide lock.

the slide lock works both as a slide lock and a safety. when holding the gun, the left side shows the lever part of the slide lock. on the other side of the gun though, you'll just see opposite end of the... looks almost like a semi-circle (right above the serial number). push that and it will depress by about 2mm... that will be in the safety mode.

dodger_me January 19th, 2008 00:30

i bought mine this summer too, if you look right above the front of the trigger guard there is that circle about half an inch across, push that in, it will engage the safety

pugs144 January 19th, 2008 00:47

I don't know guys, I've shot real-steel 226's and was never taught to employ the slide stop in this manner nor can I find it in the Sig 22X-series manual.
Seems quite silly since, as stated before, the heavy initial double-action pull negates the need for an externally safety. Same thing with the Beretta M9.

Danke January 19th, 2008 00:51

They're talking about airsoft here, not real steel Sigs.

The Japanese makers have a gentleman's agreement to add safeties to the fake pistols.

pugs144 January 19th, 2008 01:13

cool.

ILLusion January 19th, 2008 19:54

Hello miscommunication.

There is the slide catch, and then there is the slide release lever.

The slide release lever is the one you flip to take down the gun. As prelude mentioned, the slide release lever runs through the lower frame and is the large circle visible on the shooter's right side of the frame, directly above the front of the trigger guard. Push that to the left approximately 2mm to engage the safety.

As part of Japan's ASGK regulations, all airsoft guns must employ some use of a working safety mechanism, regardless of whether the real steel counterpart has a safety or not.

Omi-san January 20th, 2008 23:24

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Originally Posted by ILLusion (Post 619800)
Hello miscommunication.

There is the slide catch, and then there is the slide release lever.

The slide release lever is the one you flip to take down the gun. As prelude mentioned, the slide release lever runs through the lower frame and is the large circle visible on the shooter's right side of the frame, directly above the front of the trigger guard. Push that to the left approximately 2mm to engage the safety.

I have no idea what you are talking about. There's 3 "levers" (take down lever, decocking lever and slide catch/release) on the left side of the pistol and none of them can be "pushed" 2mm to the left to engage a safety.

AngelusNex January 21st, 2008 00:44

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Originally Posted by Omi-san (Post 620710)
I have no idea what you are talking about. There's 3 "levers" (take down lever, decocking lever and slide catch/release) on the left side of the pistol and none of them can be "pushed" 2mm to the left to engage a safety.

They mean pushed from the other side to engage the safety.

dodger_me January 21st, 2008 00:51

do i have to make a video?....

Omi-san January 21st, 2008 15:45

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Originally Posted by Sepulcrum (Post 620788)
They mean pushed from the other side to engage the safety.

Got it, thanks.

DarkAngel January 30th, 2008 11:14

video please, this is news to me.

Crunchmeister January 30th, 2008 12:40

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In that pic. The opposite side of the slide release lever. Push on that and the safety is activated. Push on the release lever on the other side to disengage.

Danke January 30th, 2008 13:27

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p230/Dan-ke/226.jpg
On, Off, Off, On. See it?

dontask January 30th, 2008 13:28

that'sss triiipy :p

Azriel_Strife February 2nd, 2008 18:02

Thank you, I'm not sure weather this method works on a reall p226, but every P226 airsoft Iv'e played with does (except the wal-mart one).

Anyone have the ability to check this feature on the real steel?

DarkAngel February 7th, 2008 00:20

thx, im gonna check this out on my sig :D

AngelusNex February 7th, 2008 00:51

doubt the real one has it, TM added it cause they have to have a safety on all replicas not cause it's same on the real.

Styrak February 7th, 2008 04:27

REAL P226'S DON'T HAVE SAFETIES! I think it was even mentioned in this thread. They're just double action pistols with a heavy trigger pull and a decocking lever.

Amazing Rando February 7th, 2008 12:02

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Originally Posted by Danke (Post 619303)
They're talking about airsoft here, not real steel Sigs.

The Japanese makers have a gentleman's agreement to add safeties to the fake pistols.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILLusion (Post 619800)
As part of Japan's ASGK regulations, all airsoft guns must employ some use of a working safety mechanism, regardless of whether the real steel counterpart has a safety or not.

lolwut?

NO, this is BS. You have no clue what you're talking about. I have a Maruzen P99, and just like the mkI release of the real P99, it has no safety whatsoever.. no trigger lock, no slide lock. The only safety mechanism it employs is just a visual indicator - the firing pin protrudes externally when cocked and has a red tip for easy visibility. The P99AS and P99QA DO have a safety, and Maruzen models of the QA reflect this as well. The Maruzen models are approved by Walther, and so externally are exact replicas. Claiming that there is a regulation or agreement in this regard is pure fabrication.

The TM P226 GBB DOES have a safety - as indicated in Crunchmeister's post it is the slide-release lever. When pressed from the opposite side it locks the slide and prevents the trigger from being pulled more than about 1/4 travel. I'd also note that Crunchmeister's picture definitely appears to be the SIG commercial release of the Navy SEAL-edition P226, so this feature must be included on the real thing as well. If pugs144 claims he's never been taught to employ this, what purpose does it serve? The statement
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the heavy initial double-action pull negates the need for an externally safety
seems somewhat laughable to me, but I view this from a civilian or police perspective where there are circumstances that the trigger may be pulled and suffer an accidental discharge - untrained people getting access to the weapon, criminals attempting to take the weapon, etc. This is why most newer semi-auto pistols have duty holsters for law enforcement with secure release mechanisms available as well. I would expect military personnel are trained to be more circumspect in dealing with live weapons than the public, hence no 'need' for a locking safety.

Danke February 7th, 2008 13:20

Sigh.

Crunchmeister February 7th, 2008 13:27

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Originally Posted by Amazing Rando (Post 637367)
I'd also note that Crunchmeister's picture definitely appears to be the SIG commercial release of the Navy SEAL-edition P226,

The pic I included is of a real steel P226, not an airsoft. I was at work at the time I made that post and that was the best pic I could find on google on a moment's notice. None of the airsoft pics I found showed that part in good enough detail.

Danke February 7th, 2008 15:11

So page 3 of your manual does not look like the one below, and your take down lever does not slide from left to right like a traditional trigger block safety?

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p230/Dan-ke/3.gif

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Originally Posted by Amazing Rando (Post 637367)
lolwut?

NO, this is BS. You have no clue what you're talking about. I have a Maruzen P99, and just like the mkI release of the real P99, it has no safety whatsoever.. no trigger lock, no slide lock. The only safety mechanism it employs is just a visual indicator - the firing pin protrudes externally when cocked and has a red tip for easy visibility. The P99AS and P99QA DO have a safety, and Maruzen models of the QA reflect this as well. The Maruzen models are approved by Walther, and so externally are exact replicas. Claiming that there is a regulation or agreement in this regard is pure fabrication.

The TM P226 GBB DOES have a safety - as indicated in Crunchmeister's post it is the slide-release lever. When pressed from the opposite side it locks the slide and prevents the trigger from being pulled more than about 1/4 travel. I'd also note that Crunchmeister's picture definitely appears to be the SIG commercial release of the Navy SEAL-edition P226, so this feature must be included on the real thing as well. If pugs144 claims he's never been taught to employ this, what purpose does it serve? The statement seems somewhat laughable to me, but I view this from a civilian or police perspective where there are circumstances that the trigger may be pulled and suffer an accidental discharge - untrained people getting access to the weapon, criminals attempting to take the weapon, etc. This is why most newer semi-auto pistols have duty holsters for law enforcement with secure release mechanisms available as well. I would expect military personnel are trained to be more circumspect in dealing with live weapons than the public, hence no 'need' for a locking safety.


ppcsurfr December 4th, 2008 11:55

I have a KSC P226R and I opened it up to see if they would employ the same Marui style safety on their Full Metal version.

Haha... No such thing! I could take out the takedown lever like the one on the real steel version and it works basically like the real steel version. NO SAFETY for KSC P226Rs just like the real steel P226.

The only safety on the P226 is the longer double action trigger pull. The Decocking lever does what it needs to do. These are better carried on "Condition Three" as this will mean that there isn't a round in the chamber. Similarly with airsoft pistols, you shouldn't carry them around in the safe zone with a chambered BB.

FYI, the takedown lever on the real steel P226 doesn't do anything at all but release the barrel and recoil spring so you can slide out the slide, barrel, and recoil spring with guide as one assembly. It is in no way connected to the trigger mechanism.

This is also the reason why the P226 has a 10lb trigger pull on DA and a 4.4lb trigger pull on SA. It's a DA/SA pistol.

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The P226 is available in double/ single action or double action only semi-automatic versions. The double action type comes with a frame-mounted decocker and automated firing pin block whereas the double action only version comes minus the decocker. The decocker is used in the P226 in lieu of a safety lever, which works by lowering the hammer to the safety notch. This can be a little dangerous for people who are not used to such a safety arrangement.
That's for the real steel version. As someone said earlier, Tokyo Marui finds ways of integrating additional safety features on pistols which were never designed to have such safety features.

White_knight December 4th, 2008 12:05

did you read ANY of the post here other then the first one? we are talking about AIRSOFT sigs, and yes there is a safety, even my sig pro 2009 has a safety that the real SP 2009 doesnt, and yes it is a KSC, i have three KSC pistols they ALL have safetys, and all but the USP arent supposed to. even my kjw p229 has the same safety mentioned and that is a Taiwanese manufacturer. dont make me take pics, im tired.

Crunchmeister December 4th, 2008 12:37

Wow. Ressurrecting a 10 month old thread that's already been answered. Nice one.

Danke December 4th, 2008 14:00

I was just thinking the other day how Amazing Rando never answered my question. I hope he's not in a van down by the river.


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