Replica or Not?
 

I'm really wondering something... will the following AEG make it through customs... i don't see how it can be categories as a 'replica'. Anyone have past experience with this one:

http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct...sp?prodid=2956

Thank You.

Edit: I know theirs always the chance it gets taken and destroyed but what i'm looking for is actual facts or educated guesses please.

If it looks like a gun, it'll get seized. Search "Seburo" on these forums.

This would be a fairly iffy one to argue your case for, because CBSA (or rather, CITT) can say that it was originally built out of a Thompson SMG, which is a real gun. And technically, there's still a M1A1 underneath there.

Thanks Styrak i see that customs have a hard on for even scifi looking toys.

In the quick search for 'Seburo' i have seen that even if you buy ONLY the 'model kit' with no 'guns/aeg/replica' they get seize. A bit hardcore if i may say...

The real only problem is that Canada Customs will grab anything that has a trigger and barrel, regardless if it's real steel or not.....
Other than that, we're usually ok.....unfortunatly.

SHA DO

I think some of the Seburo seizures had a fairly good chance to be successfully contested with competent legal representation. The M41, not so much.

Thats a very good way to put it.

Fact is, people had these conversion kits stopped at customs.

You could always defend yourself saying it's a movie collectible/memorabilia that has no real life counterpart. Don't know if that would be enough, but I do believe that if you explain yourself in a polite manner, you would get away with it. I don't see this gun being more of a replica than a regular paintball marker...

Canada Border Services Agency
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publicati...f5044-eng.html

RCMP/Candian Firarms Center
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/factsheets/replica_e.asp

Hell, call and ask CFC. Couldn't hurt.
1-800-731-4000 (8:30am - 8:30pm EST)

Individual customs agents have said all sorts of things to imply a balanced approach to classifying replica firearms, while CBSA's track record as an organization clearly shows a much more ridiculously inclusive approach.

Agreed. Unless its black on white + signed what they tell you is worthless.

amos999 had to order his through a retailer, pm him for details he knows FOR SURE.


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Like they've stated, the fact that it looks like a gun means it'll get seized, you could probably fight your way out of it, but it's cheaper to get someone else to import it.

Just get a border friend to run it accross in multipule parts.

13. The following are examples of devices that could be considered replica firearms:

(a) Generally, toy or model guns and starter pistols do not qualify to be considered as firearms; however, some toy or model guns and starter pistols may be designed with a very realistic mechanism or appearance (e.g., colour, size). For example, the action of a toy or model gun may cycle in a way similar to a real firearm, the cylinder of a model revolver may rotate, or the slide of a model automatic pistol may move once the trigger is pulled. In these cases, they are considered replica firearms even if they are made of plastic, die-cast zinc, or other material.

(b) The term air gun is a colloquial term referring to BB or pellet guns. Such guns operate either as spring-powered, gas-powered, or electrically powered. Virtually, all air guns are firearms, as they meet the definition of a firearm in section 2 of the Criminal Code. When the muzzle velocity of an air gun exceeds 152.4 m per second (500 FPS), it is considered a firearm and must meet the licensing, registration, and transportation requirements of the Firearms Act.

(c) When the muzzle velocity of an air gun is less than 152.4 m per second (500 FPS), it is still considered to be a firearm, but is exempt from the licensing, registration, and transportation requirements of the Firearms Act. Such air guns are exempted only from certain provisions that can be found in section 84(3) of the Criminal Code.

Note: A firearm whether exempted or not by virtue of subsection 84(3) of the Criminal Code, cannot be a replica firearm since the definition of replica firearm is found in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code, and, thus is not one of the exempted sections.

Air Soft Guns
14. Most air soft guns are considered replica firearm as defined in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code. They are clearly designed not only to resemble a firearm with near precision but also to resemble a specific and readily identifiable make and model of firearm. Due to their strong resemblance to real firearms and their lack of capacity to cause serious bodily injury, air soft guns are replica firearms.

this is not a replica, it doesnt matter what it use to be, what it is now is all that matters. there is no real world equivilent to "replicate" this from, so it is exempt. it will not get siezed. it is a toy or collectable as stated.

Read my post though which came right off their website:

They dont have to look like a real gun to be a replica....

Have them paint it with a water base, than mark it as a NERF GUN. I have order a few Nerf/foam shooters for my kids from the US some looking very much like shot guns with no issues :).

Realistically though as others have stated it will get seized, than added to some customs guys collection.

drache, theyre talking about a realistic looking toy, not a fictional looking one. it doesnt have a working mechanism ie. working bolt. if it shot real rounds, or resembled a real gun then it would fall under that catagorey. since it doesnt have either trait it is exempt. not trying to discredit you.

conversion kits over canadian border
 

if i were to buy a conversion kit for my ak like this one
http://airsoft-club.com/shop/externa...-ver-bk-gp670b
would it be alright to get shipped to me or would it be seized because of the canadian laws. Any thoughts are appreciated.

It will be seized, as that particular kit includes the RECEIVER.

And yet, the JG Thundermaul crosses the border and is available from several retailers, despite having a regular M4 under its furniture...

CBSA hasn't clued in yet.

I tried doing something like this before because at the time I didnt think it "looked" like a firearm. It will be seized. You will be arrested, and you will be fined. Dont do it. Thats why canada has the rules. They are very anal at the boarder and they will cause nothin but shit if you say you got an airsoft gun. Also ALWAYS DECLARE, if you dont and they find it, you will be in more trouble then you can ever imagine.

Go tell CBSA let to update their FRT. and soon they'll be denied too.

Alright folks here's hows gonna work.

Here's your homework.
1) Read through Memorandum D19-13-2
2) Read through The Firearm Act
3) Read through Criminal Code Section 2

Once you done that you will figure out the defination of replica is flawed.

General rule,
if it looks like a gun,
that is not clear, or out of porportion in size (eg a rocket launcher smaller than a hand)
not an antique its a replica
does not cause serious injury or death (blinding an eye IS NOT a serious injury. I don't care, The CBSA don't care, the Laws DOES NOT CARE IF YOU GO BLIND, it is not a serious injury)


Exception:
If it's clear, out of porportion in size
Antqiue Firearm Replica (often refers to as muskets. Gew98 is NOT an antique)
Causes severe injury and death

Example:
1) You import a totally clear gun, it's not replica
2) You import a gun that is 1/12 size of real one, its not a replica
3) You import an airsoft musket pistol (there's one brand made in China) its not a replica
4) You import a pellet gun which can probably kill an old lady in 80s in 5 shots 5 feet away from here, it is not a replica. **

**If it can kill people effective enough with sufficient velocity and kinetic energy it will require firearm license and registeration assuming it is not on the prohibited list.


Should you import it? No
Can you import it? Yes
Can you import legally and successfully without BFL? Yes
Can I do it now? Did you read through the three assignment?