Machining metal frames/recievers
 

In light of the recent retailer closures, I've been thinking; since the only restricted parts would be the frames and upper/lower receivers, couldn't we make our own? I don't have much machining experience apart from some high school CNC courses but I'm pretty sure that a 3-axis mill will suffice for most parts. So far, I've tried and failed miserably to cast an aluminum frame for a friend's Kraken. I'm not too clear on the legalities at the moment so I'm not gonna say. It's just an idea...

I'm pretty sure that you can by the pre-cut receivers from the states (the flat peices of steel with just cut holes) and use a machine to bend them into shape, I'm not sure on the legalities of that though.

If you manufacture any parts that are illegal to import (restricted or prohibited items) without the proper paperwork to do so, you're breaking the law.

I've thought about this as well - if you made a reciever and frame that did not resemble a production firearm but resembled the general characteristics of a black rifle, would that be legal and would it be acceptable to the airsoft community? I am surprised MadMax hasn't done this yet (HINT HINT CARL!)

Make em, just don't tell anyone except us :D

i think it be very breaking the law porblay get off in court but you most likely be raided if they found out you were machining and fabercating relistic gun parts.

I'm thinking of building some generic receivers that resembles more or less a brick, but will still fit a gearbox and accept standard internals. Technically, it isn't considered a replica since it doesn't replicate any gun (apart from the M4 stock, barrel and mag sticking out ;)).

I'd probably sacrifice realism for a less realistic but more legal gun but then again, that's just me...

On top of that, there's trademark law that you have to worry about. Machining a trademark without a license can get you in bigger monetary hot water than the cost of lawyer fees for getting charged with making prohibited weapons ;)

making sumthing that would just resebeble a brick not a gun would be legal. btw i am a milweright so i can make theys the only problem is i think they would not sell if they were not relistic some ppl would but them because they are metal but it porblay be a flop due to the fact most of the cadain population is used to paying for hig end aegs that come with full trades.

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Also machinging trades would porblay get your ass sued by mega companys that have money to afford to do so.

Jesster, would you mind taking a little more time to type your posts? They're really hard to read.

Machining metal or molding plastic pseudo-realistic receivers in country would certainly allow us to bypass CBSA, which is arguably the most tightfisted of them all. We'd still have to contend with CFC, though, and they're almost as bad. Finally, there's the question of whether such a venture is financially practical, especially with a market that's more than a little stuckup about realism.

Yes, but how are they going to find out? Is somebody from a local airsoft game going to take several hi-res photos of the person's receiver, send it to colt and tell them that he's making Armalite receivers in his basement?

Never said anything about trades. The goal at the moment is to produce a crucial yet restricted component that will bypass all the definitions of a replica. Trademarks could constitute to the definition of a replica and are sometimes more trouble that they are worth.

They may not be as realistic but first off they are legal, secondly, who says the customer/owner cant put a file/grinder to it and "M16ify" it? Don't believe theres a law restricting that.;)

Yes, no kidding. Just don't tell anybody! Make realistic receivers, not necessarily trades, and keep it hush hush. :D

Sadly, this would probably be the best way to go in this area.

However, I WISH someone with the right tools and skills could start producing metal slides and outer barrels for GBBs. Although I could be mistaken, those shouldn't be illegal to produce, since they're legal to import. I would pay top dollar to get a high-quality CNC machines part made of quality metal rather than the pot metal shit that we currently get.

I can see the RCMP letting something like manufacturing pseudo-realistic receivers slide, I cannot see them letting the manufacturing of realistic receivers slide. It's illegal to manufacturer replica firearms in Canada. People who build entire guns out of aftermarket guns technically break that law, but so few people do that and on such a small scale that it's not really an issue. If you start mass production of realistic receivers, that's going to change.

Well if it's a rectangular/square-ish shape then I'm pretty sure you can take a piece of steel, use a machine to cut out the holes needed in the part (or you could buy a pre-cut) and just use another machine or Mr. Norris to bend it into shape. Just don't tell anyone.

I think it'd be only useful for guns like glocks and AK variants, unless you had some metalworking skills.

Or make your realistic receivers, but don't make them out of any material that's strong enough to withstand being an actual real steel receiver. That might help things?

Metal slides and barrels are supposedly still legal to import. Don't take my word for it though. I've had over $500 in metal slides and mags seized before. Unfortunately, there are no easy ways to reproduce GBB frames that could bypass the replica definition...

Obviously this situation is the perfect excuse for Carl to bring out his line of pulse rifles...

No, the very essence of the replica firearm definition is that it only has to look like a real gun. It can be made out of chocolate and it wouldn't matter.

I wish I were half as badass as Ripley.

I said it might help things, as in the authorities might let it slide, or it might help our case because it's not real steel.

You should know by now that the RCMP and the police in general will not "help" your case. These are the guys that wanna see civilians unarmed. It's been kinda apparent that they have been making it much more difficult to obtain/use/have firearms(airguns, airsoft, powderburners) in general.

The same inability to fire real cartridges because of lack of real steel mechanical and structural features doesn't help airsoft guns, because as I said, the material is not the issue. We're still dealing the same authority, the CFC, that tells the CBSA most of the things that the CBSA currently believes.

ok i will try to make this legable. the tools are not a probelm schools and places have cnc machines. hell i have a small cnc machin in my basment they expesive like 1500 for small ones and hell yu can get small lathes for that price too that will cut a peice of 12 inch aluminim. the problem is the fact that making a relistic or a reciver at that part for an air gun would be legal. if i could call the rcmp up and say hay guys i am going to take a peice of aluiminum and make it to look like an a reciver for an assult type whepon and they sadi fine as long as it could not be made into a workable reciver for a armlight then hell i ahve the tools to make them. but being relistic they would not say theat they problay out me on a list to be radied. but goot good point on slides that would be some thing to look around for because a size of a peice of aluminin(i only refer to aluminium because thats all my cnc can cut seeing its a small portable cnc machine and seeing my work would problay have a problem with me using theirs to cut steal) then it would only cost maby about 40 bucks max for top grade to porduce this so 60 for works then you could disturbuit them out to engravers like the one in tronoto to get it made mre realistic. but until i see its legal i would highly suggest not doing it wut so ever unless you dont mind being raided.

You know what government in history didnt want it civilian population armed???
Totalitarian regime like the Nazi...

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.co...tist/id14.html
Wasnt only jews but all citizen had to be approved to buy sporting weapons

lol god bless america lmao the right to up hold arms.

Since the RCMP took over the administration of the CFC, many laws that were on the books started to actually get enforced. Not that this should be a surprise, as that's what the RCMP is there to do. Multi-Province ATTs, gun club classifications, issuance of prohibited license renewals and many more that I can't think of right now. It should be no surprise that the recent troubles by some at the CBSA are in direct relationship to the RCMP becoming actively involved in firearms control, all firearms, real or replica.

Start manufacturing bodies for weapons (treated as real until ruled otherwise) in this environment would be just plain dumb. Wait until some heat cools down, a year or 2 maybe, then look at manufacturing bodies after you have some kind of approval to do so (either classification for a non-replica or a license to manufacture).

There's more than enough guns already in Canada to have 1,000+ person games, what more do you want?

No offense but you still need to use capitalization and grammar, and not to mention a spell checker.

thast why i stated the parts are in canada the making them is easy will i do it nope not unless i could find a way to obtain the proper licences to opperat this thing. so i agree unless your going to be shady about it and keep it on low keep and get caught and porblay get charaged and porblay get raided then i porblay let this one die unless some one knows were to get the permets. i dont belive making in country bodys would become legal untill airsoft was made legal to own in canada maenign you could import them perosnaly.
and as i have stated befour why the hell do you think i became a trades person i have a hell of a damed time spelling lol. so bare with me

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Machining a brick-like receiver or even a design that does not resemble a production firearm would get around the legality of it. The only problem with it is defending it when they challenge you on it - it will take money. This community isn't big enough to create a retailer who would be well heeled enough to take that battle on.

LAWDOG, get in here, is what I am saying correct?

Yeah, I hear about slides being seized at times, yet others, that have been opened and inspected by customs, make it through. I just had a metal slide for my P226 make it through customs, even though it was with them for 3 days. I'll see later today when I pick it up if it was opened or not.

But yeah, manufacturing lower frames for pistols would definitely be a no-no.

Well we shouldn't have to worry about all this since we still have Huang, sweet love-able import lower receiver-able Huang :D

Rather than machining, there is a process called Selective Laser Sintering - basically, you send the company a 3D CAD file, or a stereo-lithograph file (STL) and they ship back your part made out of various materials - including a metal based material. We've used this company where I work - some of the materials, like the 'Duraform GF' is VERY tough - almost a fibreglass-like quality to it.

Still have to find someone to make the CAD file, but they're easier to come by - even a 3D modeler like for games, as long as they can output in the needed format could be used.

http://www.laetechnologies.com/selec..._sintering.htm

Prices seem to come in around $50 - $100 a part - so its not super cheap, but not horrible expensive either....

they might not touch a gun reciever though..., although for fiddly custom bits on AEGS.....hmmmmm

If I had any money I'd try it though - 'part for bb/pellet gun' - top of my list would be a body for that kracken thing - never seen one, but right now its kinda the only thing in Canada that sounds even remotely close to useful in airsoft...

('a' body - something to work with/hold onto the rest of the parts - not necessarily something exactly like whats there...)