Tm P226 Silver
 

I was wondering if anyone owned one of these. I want to know because I'm wondering if Tm actually used stainless steel as the name implies, or whether it's just the P226 with a coat of silver paint.

Nevermind, I just checked WGC. It says that it's made of ABS, just like the standard 226.

TM guns are always plastic. Icky.

Which is why I will never have a TM product ever again.

What about the T89 and the new AK74?

Sorry I should rephrase: all TM pistols are plastic.

I read somewhere that it's illegal for them (because of where their factory is) to produce any airsoft gun that has a metal body. Something about the 'local' law. I don't know if it's true, but this is why I always skip TM guns when i'm browsing through inventories and such. Not to mention the first gun I ever bought was a TM Commando and the receiver pin loops were broken right off, causing the gun to open up without warning. Ever since then, regardless what anyone tells me, I will never trust TM again. It's just that "first toy you'll always remember" thing.

The only none full metal product I would ever buy would be a Glock or a USP. I could always replace the plastic slides with metal slides. Even if the ABS pistol was modded out to look like something spectacular, I still wouldn't enjoy it as much because of what it's made from. Whereas with an all metal pistol, it just feels right because you know it's not plastic. To each their own I guess. I'm not saying TM sucks or anything, i'm just saying it's not for me. They have a huge amount of good looking pieces, but it's just the mental factor.

Sorry to hijack the thread.

The TM Type89 has a metal receiver though.

What's everyone's opinion on the TM P226R? I've found some reviews praising it, some other people seem to be have serious issues with the thing.

I've developed a dislike for TM guns myself, and not because of the plastic. I had my brand new, stock TM M4A1 blow its gears about a week after I got it. My P226R's internal pot metal gas unit cage got smashed to shit after 5 mags, preventing the slide from locking back when the mag was empty. I have 9 other guns, and not a problem with any one of them, and all have seen WAY more use than the TM guns. Even my JGs are better IMO.

I won't be wasting my time on any TM guns any more, no matter how great people say they are. I've been debating getting a Desert Eagle, and it may be the only way I'll ever get another TM gun.

Good gaming gun. Two of the issues its got are pretty easy to avoid. Replace the stock piston head, because it has a tendency to wear down and jam the loading nozzle.

As for wear inside the frame against the slide stop, when the slide has locked back don't disengage the slide stop by pressing it. Instead, pull on the slide and the slide stop will gently disengage without wearing against the frame. That should reduce the wear by half.

The TM P226R is an outstanding gaming pistol. I've used it solid through two seasons on propane, completely stock and it's still 100% gtg.

I have a metal slide now. The slide catch actually locks into the groove in the slide rather than against that metal cage, so it's no longer an issue.

But the point being is you should HAVE to do that from a high quality gun. Yes, it will reduce the wear, but when cheap guns can run for years without that issue, why shouldn't the 'top of the line' gun be able to operate the way it was intended without its internals getting destroyed after 5 mags? It's like buying a Porsche, having the engine blow as soon as you reach 120 kmh, then the dealer not honouring the warranty because because you went over the speed limit.

And the wear I experienced only seems to occur on more recent model guns. Others have checked their guns that they've had for years, and it doesn't show any of that wear. TM just cheaped out on their recent batches, I think.

TM is not Porsche. It's got a luxury line (ie. more recent TM AEGs), but most of its guns are not what I'd regard as high quality. I think people are expecting too much from TM.

ok, replace Porsche with Ford and the analogy stays the same.

The reviews I read seems to indicate that it doesn't have the feeding issues that the KJW P226 has.

I own the *deap breath* tm hi-capa 5.1, 4.3, 1911 & detonics. All of them shoot better than my 3 WA 2 kjw and one ksc pistols.
I have a 6.03 on ONE of them.

Hands down, TM is the best gbb's available.

Metal kits are available for all of them so whats wrong with TM?

Crunch perhaps you were unfortunate in that you got a lemon. It does happen from time to time even with high grade makes.

However I agree w/ Saint's comments regarding TM. For the longest time, all you could get was a TM AEG. Now that there are dozens of brands, TM has taken on this mystical reputation as the "gold standard". I'd say they have been far surpassed a long time ago. I used to recommend TM AEGs over other brands for friends getting into the sport, now however these days I am more inclined to tell them "get a CA whatever, find a TM piston assembly on the boards, give me a beer and I'll make you the best damned AEG around"...

TM historically was never highly regarded for their GBB/NBB (okay, except for the MK23) pistols - WA was the standard when it came to "the sexyness factor" and KSC was the standard for a gameable pistol. However with their P226, Hicapa and 1911 releases they have won legions of players.

I myself ran a KSC G19, and then switched when I started to hear so many good things about the TM P226 from reliable sources in my local community.

Of course, looking @ hattrick's post, I have to qualify the above statements w/ the fact that because our community is so small compared to others, it's more likely you will hear a higher percentage of negative comments about a particular model than positive. Particularly w/ the milsim crowd...

You don't get a milsim airsoft player coming onto these boards raving about there P226 that has lasted 2,000 rounds stock on propane; it's just not a big deal ie;

"So you mean it fires every single time I pull the trigger, no stoppages or blown slides? Good enough for me..."

Kokanee you took the words right out of my mouth. Amen to that. couldn't have said it any better.

it seems that most are only concerned about the build materials of TM stuff--ABS plastic. They hold up just fine, you don't necessarily need metal for your gun to work, Heck your metal gun might even be a bitch to lug around all day. TM probably uses the best plastics in their guns and it shows in the quality. the TM P226 stainless is just pure sex.

To clairify: The Airsoft Gun Kai (ASGK, the group of Japanese Airsoft Manufacturers) signed on to ratify that NONE (repeat NONE) of the airsoft handguns manufactured can fire a live round. That means that every gun with ASGK stock (not meaning aftermarket) will come with an ABS frame, Slide and Barrel. This came after the fear that the yakuza were going to modify airsoft and pellet guns to fire real rounds as zip guns.

Not the same with AEG's as KSC, TM etc. have metal bodied AEG's.

I'm gonna have to kick the dead horse once again and just say that my TM P226 has worked pretty much non stop for two and a half years, stock with propane with only two severe failures. Most certainly, I've had to replace parts which have worn down, most recently the recoil rod, loading nozzle and trigger spring, but it's still one of the damningest example of a good handgun that I can provide.

Source? Even if it's all in Japanese.

It's possible that I did get a lemon with my M4. Its internals are shit if you ask me. I compare the TM gears and mechbox to my CA gears and mechbox, and there's a world of difference in quality. IMO, they're not even comparable. As far as people saying CA internals are bad, I switched the whole compression system in my CA in the last couple of weeks with new Systema parts, and really the only wear I had was to the tappet plate. I don't see anything bad there at all, really... The TM box though - I got new gears installed, and the mechbox cracked 200 rounds later. Not impressed at all, especially considering how many BBs my "cheap Chinasoft" JG guns have seen and still running strong totally stock.

As for the P226, I'm still wishing I had just gotten the KJW like I had originally considered, but was talked into TM by others who convinced me they were leaps and bounds ahead of all others. It's got its ussues right now upgraded and really not performing up to par (260 fps tops, and a gas hog and can barely get 1 full mag per propane fill).

My TM P226 had that issue with the slide not locking back after the last BB was fired. I fixed it and now it works properly.

It fired 280fps stock with propane, and now 310fps with a twist barrel and Nine ball hop-up bucking.

I like my TM AUG except for the barrel assembly which doesn't lock solidly on the receiver. It always wobbles a bit, nothing major, but it's still annoying.

My only real regret with TM was to buy a M4A1. Nobody should buy a TM M4/M16 with so many better options out there. Now I know. At least, I modified my M4A1 into a S-System and now it's pretty decent.

Another thing that concerns me is the lack of a "real" safety. The real steel P226 doesn't have a safety on it, but the Marui has a somewhat safety, which doesn't actually completly lock the gun from firing, but just makes the trigger pull harder, or so it appears. I highly doubt a gun would go off in a holster during a game, but it's good to know that your gun has a safety..

The TM 226 safety completely blocks from firing. It doesn't just make pulling the trigger harder. If that's what your gun does, then there's something wrong with it.

And with the strong double action trigger on the P226, there's no need for a safety. If it's decocked, you can't set that thing off except if you deliberately pull the trigger. And the idea is to be able to draw your pistol, disengage the safety, and fire ASAP. Unless you're left-handed, that's impossible to do with the 226 if the safety is on. And even for a left-handed shooter, that's awkward.

What? I read in a review that if you pull the trigger hard enough, the gun still fires.

Holding mine right now with the safety on and I'm pulling the trigger pretty hard (probably harder than I ever should). It's not firing.

My KJW also refuses to fire with the safety engaged. You can pull the trigger and the hammer also follows, but it stops dead partway back.

Same on the TM. you can pull the trigger back maybe 1/5 of its travel with the hammer following. Then it stops dead.

Your KJW has a safety? Buh?

Hmm I just tried the TM-safety dealie, and it actually works on my KJW P229. Never knew that before. Not like I'll actually use it thought. Double action trigger is enough.