Best Stock Bolt Action Sniper Rifle
 

Hi,

I started shopping for the best ratio (quality/performance vs price) for a bolt action sniper rifle. I would appreciate fellow airsofter advice,

Thanks,

Bong

Anything by Tanaka or Star would be my guess. again though, they are gas powered. but i know that for the Star one, you dont have to do much to it. comes with a bipod and scope already as well as the fact that its a great gun. as for spring, i dunno, a Maruzen L96 would be a good bet or the TM VSR line or CA M24 i have heard good things about.

Stock from the box:

VSR-10 G-Spec
CA M24

After a few mods:

APS-2 Type 96
Well L96
Well G22 (got one :)... now it is worth over 1000$)

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Any APS2 is an excellent choice. Minimal upgrades required (though they are pricey upgrades), but I have heard of issues with some Type 96 (L-96) regarding the "loaded indicator pin" after doing upgrades. An after market PDI hop up chamber is recomended for when you decide to move to a tight bore barrel.
Also, I have heard good things about the Classic Army M-24, though it is gas (good for the summer and warmer days, not so good for cooler weather).

SHA DO

Thanks for the advice so far,

I would rather steer out of gas power (weather issue).

What about the UTH L96? 450 fps with 0.2 out of the box.

Classic Army isn't gas, its basic spring. You may be thinking about the Tanaka version.

From what ive heard about it, its a fairly good gun for the price, however it may shoot over 450 as im not sure what the outdoor limit is for quebec, but in ontario its absolute max 450 and sometimes lower. There is a review I believe on it. Amos i believe is the authour and he has been doing alot of upgrades on his.

KJW M700p (tanaka's clone) would be my choice after a no-cost free floating barrel mod. It's power adjustable 350-600+fps, affordable, excellent texture and feel, comes with a semi tight bore barrel (6.05mm).

I love my M700. Although it fires a little to hot on propane on a warm day.. Duster works decent on nice days though. Fairly decent gun, doesnt really need many upgrades.

CA M24 is spring, although there is a separate cylinder available (which is crap) that makes it a gas gun.

Am surprised Long_Bong hasn't asked me about this yet (since he asks me everything else under the sun)...... Relja has a stock CA M24 package for sale for $500.

I was waiting to bug you tomorrow on that topic :)

So a stock CA M24 is the best thing out there?

Bong

From that best ratio point of view; a consideration on JG Bar-10 (one of the better TM VSR-10 clones) or Well L96 and also having AEG sidearm like MP7 for those close encounters.

I heard it was hard to find upgrades for CA M24 or am i wrong on this.

Super9 all the way

Jugglez is your best friend he can find you anything. I got an accurate quote for him for parts and you can find all the parts you need from wgcshop or redwolf if you dont want to go through jugglez, but Jugglez is the man for parts he can get you it.

i've owned a tanaka m700, m24 and kar98k as well as an aps2, two type96's a heavily upgraded vsr10 and now a bar-10 and out of all of them i have to say i'm the happiest with the jg. though the tanakas were killer in terms of realism (beautiful pieces, very heavy and realistic bolt action) and with the whole adjustable power thing; they just didn't have the accuracy needed to pull your weight as a player. the maruzens were good but not as accurate as the vsr, though they were both rather expensive to upgrade.
my goal when sniping is always to be more or just as useful as if i was playing with my m4, and the conditions don't always let you do that. when they do you better make sure you have a gun that can outrange auto-fire of your enemies and usually that means spending a lot of cash. why spend a lot of cash you don't get to use every game? being that i liked my vsr the most in terms of overall performance, i gave the bar-10 a shot and after dealing with some initial disappointments (metal filings in the hopup, inadequate lubrication, subpar assembly) i gave it another test and it did very well, all that's left is to pop in a new spring (very easy) and swap the hopup/barrel/hop rubber to tm with aftermarket barrel and rubber, then paint it and i'm set. everything says it's completely tm compatible, but i guess we'll see when the hop unit comes.

Hi,

So JG Bar 10, what would be the upgraded part that you would change?

Thanks for the advice :)

Bong

Very nice review on some sniper rifle:

http://groups.google.com/group/asgar...--new-releases

Not the best one out there, but it has a lot of features about it that make it a VERY good choice. It doesn't feel like a toy, solid and heavy (mine with bipod and scope weighs about 12lbs), and 90% of the internals are either compatible with AP2 (PSS2) PARTS, or AEG parts (hop up rubber, inner barrel). And it comes stock with an adjustable hop up. APS2 is another great platform, requiring little cash invested to upgrade it to 450fps (same as the CA M24). Heard good things about the Maruzen L96 also.

The VSR G-spec isn't quite as good as far as upping the power, it requires more investment. Quantis bought one, upgraded it to about 400 or a bit over, and it kept breaking aftermarket sears until he bought a $150 Zero Trigger Unit and Piston.

What would be the receipe to upgarde a Stock CA M24 to bring it to a good sniping standard that conform with Quebec field rule (400 fps with 0.2)?

Thanks,

Bong

Well, 450fps is the limit, I actually have a list of parts to get a stock M24 (even an APS2) up to around 440-450fps rather cheaply, have to dig it up.

Takes a bit of searching for this these days, but here it is:

Would truly appreciate :)

Thanks

the UTG shadow ops sniper rifle is a spring rifle but its sposed to get 450 to 465fps with .2g bbs. that is if you dont mind having a spring rifle
http://www.evike.com/images/ebay/Sni..._S368BH_lg.gif

LOL, thanks. Since I got my APS2 EX when they first came out (around 7-9 years ago) I haven't been interested in handleing anything else. My exposure to the CAs is very limited and yes, the TANAKA version is sweeet (if not pricey). Thanks again for the correction.

SHA DO

That upgrade kit is around 137$ USD + shipping, not bad :)

I m getting a M 24 Stalker Edition :)

Good luck finding one in Canada..

The stock cylinder on the m24 is not so great but as a whole i think its probably one of the best stock bolt actions around. It has the benefit of a beefy trigger mechanism capable of handling an upgraded spring right out of the box without any other upgrade. Like stalker has said aswell it is solid ,has good weight and dosent feel like a toy.

Those rifles are all over Canada....

I'd be willing to make a bet with you that the rifle there, or other clones exactly like it are the most popular spring sniper rifle in canada..

I'm aware of all the well l96's, but I have never seen a UTG l96 in any canadian stores..

Wells are cheap, clones that have some quality for them good perform to cost ratio

i might get an l96 either for myself of for my bro since he wants a sniper.
ive seen well ones and utg ones and ones without a brand listed and they all have dif fps ranges. which l96 would you guys reccomend for the most power if i were to purchase one?
because i dont trust ebay sellers fps ratings

There are alot of threads availble on the L96, hit up the search and use L96, I can remeber a couple detailing which ones were good and which ones to avoid.

There was even a really really good review a while back about an L96, you'll have to go digging through the review section to find it, the version/brand the review writer owned seemed to be decent.

Springers have many uses, theres no shame or disgrace in using them. There are some deadly springers out there.

yea my m14 spring rifle is pretty damn good powerful and accurate from a pretty good distance with .2g bbs. its all about adjusting the hop correctly
but you guys acted like it was still a piece of shit when i said how much i love it

the vsr10 also looked like a pretty good sniper at a very cheap 65 u.s. though i dont like it cuz it looks like a boring 22 cal. hunting rifle

I was refering to springers such as the TM made MK23 springer,JG Bar 10,Maruzen CA870 Charger and the Maruzen APS2 Type 96.

He ordered a CA M24 for cheap. Just because he can't avoid listening to my advice (besides, he gets most of his guns sent to me for inspection/work, and pays very well, so it goes both ways.) ;)

Well and UTG L96s are exactly the same. If not made in the same factory.

The claimed FPS is not the actual FPS. Most stock Well L96 shoot at 500+fps. They are said to be 430-450... that is a big difference...

As for quality, it really is not on par with brand names, like the Maruzen L96. I had the chance to handle and strip down both. The tolerences and materials used are a LOT cheaper in the Well rifle.

I actually recommmend reinforcing the cross-bolts (the tiny screws that hold the stock togheter). My Well rifle had two of the holes ripped out. One is because the cheek piece adjustement screw is working directly agains it, the second is because the mold is badly done, there is a 2mm gap between the two halves, so that when you tighten the screw, it HAS to break.

Both problems solved with a bit of epoxy paste. I reinforced some other critical points at the same time.

Just a tiny advice I found... if you plan on changing the cylinder, you have to buy a new bolt handle at the same time, because the stock one is taper and it won't fit the new cylinder (foud it the hard way... had to file for a few minutes)

Your my gun tech mentor (and back up when the sh... hit the fan) lol Just watch when I start playing inside the M24 lol

Lol, keep in mind that was what I had written a couple years ago for someone wanting a 450fps M24. I use the RH65 hop up rubber now, and for the past 3 years the Laylax 150 spring and 9mm bearing spring guide.

Really? I just finished installing a laylax cylinder in my Well L96 with no problems what so ever, it was a simple swap out.

What brand of cylinder did you have to modify to get it to fit?

I own a Tanaka M700 A.I.C.S love it great power out of the box, gas only issue when colder. The PCS is a great thing to have. Only problem is the A.I.C.S has is the body dont fit really closely mostly cosmetic. All I done is put a tight bore I think it was 6.03, new rubbers, silencer adaptor (fun thing to have makes it quite silent but slows the bb down >>).
But warning I find the A.I.C.S quite heavy so it's hard to carry around. Also the magazine pressure plate wears after a while so it will slowly lose fps as use goes by. If your good with tools I made myself some pressure plate from harder steel. Great thing to have relativly easy to clean, never had any problems during a game.
Springs guns are great since they can operate in any conditions but problem I found is if you upgrade the spring it is harder to load the bb in the chamber, and I seen some spring guns break from too powerful springs (not always case depends on your upgrades and how well you maintain your gun.

Just a question, I will have in my possession most of the parts in Stalker's upgrade list, but I am wondering if anybody knows definitively whether or not I would need a new cylinder in order to use these parts. Stalker said in the post that he is not sure if you need a new cylinder in order for the parts to be compatible. If anybody knows, that would be great.

CA M24 is a joke to work on compared to any AEG.

Much easier than an AEG, eh? That's good to know... Shouldn't be too difficult to upgrade then.

Seriously! Tuning on the other hand............. one expects it to shoot like a laser pointer, and airsoft sniper rifles dont' even have the same trajectory as other airsoft guns, not sure why. They go out, they go up, they fly straight, then the drop or hook, depending on the air the BBs runs into.

yea ive noticed that a lot. a tiny little breeze screws the bbs up all over the place, ususally blows them straight into the ground when we're out

Sorry if im bring an old thread up here,

But im thinking of getting the CA m24, have been reading alot of reviews and want other people have said about them. And i saw that CDN_stalker posted up a guide to get it to 450fps.

Whats needed to keep it at around 400-420 fps on .2's?

I've been looking but i can only really find 450+ fps on the net lol. Any help would be awesome :D

Snax_NZ

You don't need FPS to get range. If you read some of the other stuff by Stalker, you'll also see that shooting at 340 FPS he could range 300ft on .30's.

Range is alllll about the hopup. ;)

AND BB weight ;).

All the same parts (different hop up rubber than I mentioned, I'm using the KN RH65 and it's working well) except swap the 130 spring for a PSS2 120 spring, should have you around 400-420fps.

And, for the sake of redundancy, now that I said the 120 spring, it's not an AEG spring.