Licenced Sig Sauer P226 GBB, know anything about them?
 

I'm looking at one for sale on a local board.

Anyone have any experience with these? All input appreciated.

I don’t know anything about the p226 but i know that kjw does make and do a good job making gbbs and they do feel nice. i have read around that the newer vs is tm mags work in it but again i don’t know iv only read. also they look nice for the money. the only experience that I have had with kjw is owning their m92fs and it hasn’t failed me once.

IIRC, there's only one official Sig-Sauer P226, however it's still unknown if it's actually the KJW. There are some distinct differences between the two.

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...FMCV_srch_P226 (KJW version)
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...&productid=177 (The official Sig Sauer one, it might be the same, but it does indeed look different, plus the MSRP is really out of whack if it is.)

If it IS the KJW version, then it's the usual Taiwanese knockoff that's cheaply FMU'd. The KJW marking ones are a bit better than their last efforts to manufacture knockoff GBB's, yet it's still a knockoff and certain problems with their pot metal components still arise. The safety/takedown lever is known to wear down, and once again, hammers are still known to wear fast and of course, incompatibility with existing magazines.

They're okay if you want a cheap FMU handgun.

Looking at the pictures, the one for sale is definitely the official one. It looks well built, but the box of BBs it comes with says KJW.

I got a headache trying to read this -.-
Please do your research first jesster202

KJW P226 is known to have many issues. From internal parts snapping off with propane use as well as mag issues. KJW mags use Single flow valves, which makes it easy for users to overfill the mags and not know it, while TM mags, are double flow valves, releasing gas when a user overfills it to protect the valve and seals. Furthermore, KJW Mags are little more than a casing around a brass tube. Yes it comes with a metal body, but the quality on the KJW 226 internals is garbage in comparison to TM Internals). I would know as i have had 3 KJW 226s on my work bench within the last month alone. Furthermore, the metal slide is a cheap metal (Captain Tenneal got this BANG ON) while if you get a TM 226 (which 95% of the aftermarket 226 parts are designed to fit) and get a creation slide. You will have Superior unmatched quality with both internals and externals. Everyone ive known who owns a KJW GBB has had issues (especially mag issues) several times a year. TM and KJW prices are roughly the same... Do yourself a favor and get the TM and spring for the the metal kit. There are numerous posts and reviews and comparisons SPECIFICALLY for the TM 226 vs KJW 226 and they back my findings 100%.

Use the Search Button jesster
i know im comming off a little hard with this, but damn it this has been discussed to DEATH and bloodsport himself has been personally telling the last 4 posts about this topic to use the search button.

/end rant

with a quick search i found the following threads
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...highlight=P226
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...highlight=P226

nic_s, KJW also makes Full Trade P226s, as well as the fact that asthetically, KSC, TM, KJW, etc P226s look pretty much identical in the pictures. Its very difficult (Unless you have 2 side by side in person) to notice any real difference or recognise the brand from a picture. The best way is to look at the weight, the magwell size (as TM and KJW's magwells are different sizes) as well as hidden internal manufacturer markings.

I'd disagree. My KJW P229 has only had one real problem, which was the internal hammer snapping. I've read plenty of TM P226 doing that at well, which would suggest it's a TM design problem. No other wear issues that the TM doesn't also experience. Actually, I've seen no wear with the take down lever as of yet.

Meanwhile, I've had to fix a stock TM P226 because its stock piston head murdered its stock loading nozzle spring.

All GBB mags are just metal casings around a some tubes, that's hardly a fair criticism. If I were to criticize the KJW SIG mags for anything other than the fill valve issues, which has already been mentioned, it would be the gas valves. TM valves are always more reliable than those of the clones.

Another problem with KJW SIGs is poor outer barrel to slide fit, causing the rounds to hit low. Nothing a little ingenuity wouldn't fix.

Ultimately, it's really up to one's budget IMO. I think both TM and KJW SIGs are more or less equally competent gaming guns. If one is going to take a TM and put a metal frame on it right off the bat, though, I wouldn't even buy the TM. I'd just buy the TM parts I need.

What does "FMU" mean? Thanks.

2000+ rounds out of my well-maintainted KJW M9, and I'm still waiting to encounter these horrible, regular-basis problems that so many people tell me happen to these things right out of the box... I've had 1 mag fail on my so far, but otherwise, everything else is perfect. The gun shoots straight and hard. Never had it jam, stop, malfunction, misfire, etc (can't say the same for my TM 226).

Full Metal Unit: All major parts of the gun are metal where it should be on the real steel version.

Tm does have its issues yes, but reliability studys in the past have clearly shown less issues with TM in comparision to KJW. Try firing my sig at the game saint, ull know what i mean. TM feels more solid on its shots, better distance and accuracy as well.

Its like comparing JG to TM.

one is a cheaper brand, in this case it sports a metal body, while the other has better performance and reliability

Is your TM metal? Because it's not really useful to compare a KJW that comes metal and a TM that's been upgraded. The prices are way off. If you're going to spend that much on a KJW (which you wouldn't, that's completely opposite the point of a KJW), you'd probably get the same results as well.

If you mean a stock TM SIG, I'm quite familiar with how it shoots. I wouldn't say it shoots better than a KJW or worse, just different.

Somehow I'd doubt your TM shoots better than my KJW, unless you've got high flow valves on your mag. My KJW has upgraded internals.

uh oh, looks like im sleeping on the couch today :p

You make good points, and yea, i havent got high flows on my sig, but the point im trying to make is that kjw and TM both stock, TM has better internals and mags. If you never plan on getting a proper high quality metal kit, and u dont plan to ever upgrade ur 226, then kjw has the better "value" for your buck.

+ 1

I've abused my KJW M9 elite like crazy. It's been through rain, snow, mud, dust and still shoots like a dream. Smooth action and no leaks! I've never had a KJW P226 before but if its anything like their M9s, then I'd vouch for it.

KJW M9 has less issues than their 226, their m9 model isnt too bad

...what?

I was looking at buying a p226 KJW full metal within the next week or so and I was pretty sold until now. I love TM, my p90 has treated me great and I must have in excess of 10,000 rounds through it with no issues yet. If I was to buy a TM p226 (which I fully would do, specially if it has trades) are full metal bodies readily avail? I have been looking around and really other then in the states where everything is readily avail. I cant seem to find much... or is that somthing I will have to talk to a shop about custom ordering? also I was looking at SIGs website, ideally ide love to buy one straight from them if I could. even if it would be expensive. Anyone know if any Canadian retailers can get em? Or is that more of go to a gun shop like Le Baron and get them to order it for me?

I have a KJW P229. Haven't had any problem with the actual gun. In fact it's been flawless. However I've had to fix the mags when I left them empty because they start to leak.

Full trade kits are availiable for it as all the Full metal Upgrade kits are designed for TM and the 226 is one of their most popular sidearm

*blink* yikes

His question is more of who in Canada is still selling/ordering them. I haven't seen retailers dealing in full frame sets in a while.

I know a few, but im not sure if im allowed to give out their names XD

Yeah....he's back from a ban....ugh...

lol
hes one of the biggest arguments we have for getting spellcheck built into ASC XD

love you too guys no homo , never said i was the best for spelling.

http://www.dairyfarmers.com.au/df/fi...6701003859.jpg

Strictly skim! lol welcome back dude!

lol thanx naw but aways kjw only makes a few run's of their full trade guns Idont belive this one would be it because they still come in a kjw box..

well if anyone know where i can get a sig sauer from the actual company that would be wonderful. Metal is the only way. and since it is next to impossable to get a 226 metal body for a TM in canada i guess that solves my question.... KJW it is.

its not impossible... In fact its far from it and quite easy. You just have to know the right people. Just because retailers dont wave it in front of your face anymore doesnt mean u cant get them.

OK, I'd like to add a few things. The gun comes in a Sig Sauer plastic case, like the real thing, and apparently G&G makes the slides for these limited guns. The seller says that tolerances are very tight and that there are no slide rattles.

How much are these guns worth anyways? It's NIB.

Here's a pic.

"Full Metal Upgrade".

It harks back to 2001/2002, when almost all GBBs available on the market were plastic and required a "full metal upgrade" if you wanted it to be all metal. Not like nowadays where full metal guns are accessible through OEM.

The direct reference to the acronym was in jest to a certain retailer at the time who would upgrade plastic guns to full metal and sell them as an "FMU" gun to make it sound fancy.

ie: "KSC G19 HW FMU Japanese Version"

Cuz you know... acronyms make things fancier. :P


Nevermind punctuation and grammar as well.

There should be criminal charges for a complete butchering of the English language in such a manner...

The Official SIG p229's that are on sale on the SIG Store are KJW's. I'm assuming that the P226's are also KJW.

I emailed SIG's customer Service and was originally told that they were TM's, but after much debate on several boards, I emailed Customer Service again to verify and she absolutely verified that they were KJW GBBs.
I almost bought the P229 GBB from SIG until I heard that they were KJW's.
They added about $100+ for the logos on a normally $100 GBB.

I've seen used ones selling for about $300-350! They come with everything a real Sig comes with, case, manuals, etc.

My KJW P229 was awesome. Just depends if you want to pay extra for the trademarks.