Kwa or Hfc
 

Hi, I was looking for a glock style pistol and so far have seen 2 that I like. The Hfc g17 and the Kwa g18c, I know one is a lot more expensive and apparently alot better but I willing to pay if it is really that much better. I will be using as a secondary in CQB type games but I may end up using it quite often depending on how it goes. Please point out pros and cons and your personal opinion would be appriciated as well.

The HFC's a solid gun, I've found it tough to get parts though. Just mags from redwolf.

I run propane and beat the hell out of it, and I've never had an issue at all.

A lot of the HFC G17's seem to develop problems with the slide and sticking. I had one and it had that problem, and there's been many others on the forum.

KWA/KSC make great Glocks that are really work horses but the 18C is a bit less durable than the 17 counterpart as it's full auto (more parts etc.).

From all that I've read, I'd stay away from a full-auto Glock, as they tend to develop problems. If you're looking for the best Glocks on the market, then KSC and TM are your best bets. KWA are basically KSC, only cheaper, so those would be a good option too.

you can match up to the full auto if have a double tap pistol fingers like me but semi and full i prefer semi because you can shoot just as much as full auto

KWA has a metal slide with no trades. KSC has a plastic slide with trades.

I had the The KWA G18C and it had some issues with accuacy. It was like firing a shotgun (on full auto)

Full Metal with trades = pretty awesome

The HFC Glock 17 hasn't had any real issues i've found (it's plastic, and I do own one as well)

The G17 seems to be more reliable to me

Too much COD4 young man.

My teammate has the KSC G18c, it has worked very well. The gun is mainly plastic which worries me due to the use of propane, if the sldie gets too cold it could crack. That hasn't happened yet, but it feels brittle IMO.
KSC is definately good, I'd just get some metal upgrade.

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I would love to see someone match the rate of fire on a full auto GBB (KSC/KWA G18c) by manually firing with a semi only pistol. [/sarcasm]

Back to the OP, a KSC G19 with metal upgrades is a bloody workhorse and really accurate too, even more accurate if you get a tightbore. I've owned a G19 but sold it as I was tired of it. Now I own a KWA G18c which others have already said acts more like a shotgun in full auto (23rnd clip gone in about 3-4 seconds).

That may work when you're ckicking a mouse or XBox 360 controller button, but it doesn't work that way in the real world while pulling a trigger.

Yeah, there's that too. Otherwise, they're the same gun and parts are completely compatible.

Thx for all the feedback. Another question I had was is they make hi-caps for the hfc g17 because I the stock 14 rounds seems a little small. ty

I've never owned any KWA Glocks but my KWA USP is awesome. Sturdy, nice weight (metal slide) and it's a workhorse too. I highly recommend KWA, it's the same construction as KSC (and in my case came with a metal slide, not sure about Glocks) for a great price. Get age verified and you'll see some very nice Glocks for sale all the time in the classifieds.

I don't think I'll be getting one from the classifieds. I will be buying brand new just because I have heard wear on gas guns can be quite substancial so I would rather pay 40 more bucks and get longer use out of it.

HFC
 

G17's come with a 23rd mag, but yes you can get 49rd hi-cap mag.
I own a HFC DarkHawk (it has a G17 slide) and as you can see in my signature it is not working because the slide is locking half way back, this is becuase some of the cheap metal on the slide and outer barrel have bent and wore down.

I own a KWA and have not hade any problems mind you it is a USP .45 and totally different from the G17. A freind own's the KSC G17 and has had some small problems but KSC's are good guns.

Sean

Thx. Where did you get your hi-cap and for how much?

Well, if you're in Canada, the ASC classifieds are pretty much your only choice to get any gun, new or used. Unless you plan on risking smuggling one across the border, you don't really have any other options...

I was talking to a couple people and apparently the border patrol let you cross with airsoft peices. I was talking to atleast 3 canadians on youtube who had brought them through and they said the border patrol only asked if it was over 500fps and if it wasn't they didn't mind. I know that these could have just been flukes so I wasn't planning on getting mine that way (If it does get taken there goes $120), However a previous work budy of mine was planning on opening an airsoft store in the gta and said he could get one for me and give me a deal to.

For the 3 people who managed to get them across while declaring them, another 100+ had their confiscated doing the same. It's a hit-or-miss situation.

The full auto glocks do tend to have problems in the long run. In my experience, these problems are usually related to parts breaking and things coming loose. But glocks are common guns so a good gun doc should be albe to patch it up in a jiffy and parts are plentyful.

My KWA G18C didn't have any accuracy issues at 7 yards ~1.5 inch grouping on semi-auto... but why get an 18c if your going to use semi-auto. In full auto mode, its REALLY hard to get just 1 shot off, especially in the heat of battle. As a sidearm, the 18c has the amazing ability to keep heads down and allow you to either reload your main weapon or run away.

In a pistol only game, just bring lots of mags.

TM glock long mags fit in the hfc g17? Thats confirmed right? Im assuming they should as the g17 and 18 use the same sort of frame.
Is any of the TM glock parts interchangeable with the hfc g17?

Within the same company (KSC or TM), any Glock mags will fit any Glock.