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cosmicduck August 9th, 2008 21:41

M4A1, models, makes and prices!
 
I'm looking to buy an m4a1 that is full metal, my question is what is the best m4a1 i can buy from a Canadian retailer for around 150$ - 200$.

I have been looking around i read the FAQ's and i used the search engine to find similar posts. i didn't find what i wanted so now i feel it necessary to post a thread.

Bowers August 9th, 2008 21:43

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 790249)
I'm looking to buy an m4a1 that is full metal, my question is what is the best m4a1 i can buy from a Canadian retailer for around 150$ - 200$.

I have been looking around i read the FAQ's and i used the search engine to find similar posts. i didn't find what i wanted so now i feel it necessary to post a thread.

get age verified

and add maybe another 200 and we can find you something

Disco_Dante August 9th, 2008 21:45

You can't even get a metal body with nothing in it for $150 in Canada. Get a summer job, get age verified, and browse the classifieds.

Ktown Militia August 9th, 2008 21:49

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 790249)
I'm looking to buy an m4a1 that is full metal, my question is what is the best m4a1 i can buy from a Canadian retailer for around 150$ - 200$.

I have been looking around i read the FAQ's and i used the search engine to find similar posts. i didn't find what i wanted so now i feel it necessary to post a thread.

I've never heard or seen a full metal M4A1 for anywhere close to $200. Your probably looking at at least $500. Get verified, save some cash, and next time do us all a favor and try doing your own research.

Good Luck

Muffin August 9th, 2008 21:53

Please fill in your profile info such as age and location.

cosmicduck August 9th, 2008 22:06

okay , scrap the full metal but whats the best m4a1 you guys think i could possibly get. I've been researching coming up with squat. As for age i'm 17, in Vancouver area and i am planning much further ahead of time what gun i can afford and which id like to have when i come of age.

surebet August 9th, 2008 22:09

Systema is arguably the best, with a 2500$ price tag.

Figure 350 for a JG, another 250 for bare minimum gear.

Qlong August 9th, 2008 22:32

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Originally Posted by surebet (Post 790268)
Systema is arguably the best, with a 2500$ price tag.

It's only $1900 now :D

a STAR is always nice too

Foxx August 9th, 2008 22:34

Wait until you turn 18 and have a somewhat decent job, only then can you find a decent aeg. However, get ready to see your paychecks turn to dust once you get yourself into airsoft.

cosmicduck August 9th, 2008 22:43

can you guys suggest any good models for 200 - 300 at least??? doesn't need to be full metal just pretty looking and works nice and smoothly.


"Wait until you turn 18 and have a somewhat decent job, only then can you find a decent aeg. However, get ready to see your paychecks turn to dust once you get yourself into airsoft."
I'm just planning ahead one step at a time man :P

Drache August 9th, 2008 22:48

The only guy for that is the Aftermath Kraken AK47....

The Kirenex Im not so sure about but it's an armalite....

Bowers August 9th, 2008 22:48

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 790293)
can you guys suggest any good models for 200 - 300 at least??? doesn't need to be full metal just pretty looking and works nice and smoothly.


"Wait until you turn 18 and have a somewhat decent job, only then can you find a decent aeg. However, get ready to see your paychecks turn to dust once you get yourself into airsoft."
I'm just planning ahead one step at a time man :P

nothing wrong with planning ahead sometimes we just misinterpret (SP?) what people say

jing gongs, and such should run you around 300 or so

higher end quality like tokyo marui, classic army, ICS should be like 500-750 maybe?

my info is coming from an old retailer who shut down so i dont know if the current prices have dropped much

also remember in a year things could be completly different so this info might not be the best to go

cheers
bowers

Foxx August 9th, 2008 22:51

What use would your aeg be if you can't even use it on an approved airsoft field? Is spending the only dollars you have on a bellow average aeg really worth it? Instead of wasting your money or as you call it yourself 'planning ahead of time', why don't you save some more and get yourself something of somewhat good quality once your turn 18?

Drache August 9th, 2008 22:53

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Originally Posted by Foxx (Post 790300)
What use would your aeg be if you can't even use it on an approved airsoft field? Is spending the only dollars you have on a bellow average aeg really worth it? Instead of wasting your money or as you call it yourself 'planning ahead of time', why don't you save some more and get yourself something of somewhat good quality once your turn 18?

please read all posts before replying, he already stated he is "doing research" until he becomes 18....

Xenos-Fear August 9th, 2008 22:57

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Originally Posted by Qlong (Post 790285)
It's only $1900 now :D

a STAR is always nice too

True, STAR is pretty nice. For 600$ you got a M4A1 with no Tact. Rail.

For a Systema... yeah right ! lol

For 200$... you'll get nothing.

Get age verified... get a job... and be sure, if you begin airsoft... you won't spend only 200$.

I don't want to know how much I've spend for the last 6 years.

Foxx August 9th, 2008 22:57

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Originally Posted by Drache (Post 790302)
please read all posts before replying, he already stated he is "doing research" until he becomes 18....

What I wrote still stand.

kullwarrior August 9th, 2008 23:37

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Originally Posted by Qlong (Post 790285)
It's(Systema ptw) only $1900 now :D

Is there an average markup? I'm trying to figure out how much I need to save but can't even window shop, kinda hard to figure..

Muffin August 9th, 2008 23:57

You'll be able to shop and compare once mopic's site is up to the public.

surebet August 10th, 2008 00:11

350 for a JG M4, anything cheaper will explode. Basically the step below that is a Canadian Tire M4.

demco11 August 10th, 2008 00:13

You MIGHT be able to get one shipped from China thats full metal and in your price range...

But then you rely on customs not checking your package, so its not worth it.

Drache August 10th, 2008 00:14

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Originally Posted by surebet (Post 790354)
350 for a JG M4, anything cheaper will explode. Basically the step below that is a Canadian Tire M4.

No the next step below is the Aftermath line and they are far above CT brand, almost to the level of JG (even in a year or two by my guess) and $100-200 cheaper than JG....

Ronan August 10th, 2008 00:38

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 790331)
Is there an average markup? I'm trying to figure out how much I need to save but can't even window shop, kinda hard to figure..

Do what everyone else does:
Read Reviews
Go to games to see them and (maybe) handle them
Touch yourself
???
Profit

Qlong August 10th, 2008 00:41

If you've never handled one before, go to a game and get a feeling on some people's guns that they've put some serious money into, it'll change your current perspective.

surebet August 10th, 2008 01:09

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 790331)
Is there an average markup? I'm trying to figure out how much I need to save but can't even window shop, kinda hard to figure..

Seriously, you want to start out with a Systema? Good gun, sure, but I would go with a solid CA, TM or the likes before dropping down the serious bucks for the most expensive stock gun in mass production.

Especially when the price tag for the gun itself is just the beginning, two boxes of mags by themselves cost more than your average AEG, whereas two boxes for regular Armalites will run you 110$.

Or you can Ronan it out, I guess... :)

mcguyver August 10th, 2008 01:10

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 790331)
Is there an average markup? I'm trying to figure out how much I need to save but can't even window shop, kinda hard to figure..

Go to the Battlefield 4 game in Olds on Aug 16th at Weekend Warriors. There are likely to be 200+ players there, with probably 30-40 PTWs, as well as every other make or model of AR out there. And the age limit is 16+. Even if you don't play, you may still be able to talk to the largest player gathering in Alberta in many years if, perhaps, ever.

Seriously, check it out.

Drache August 10th, 2008 01:22

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Originally Posted by mcguyver (Post 790387)
Go to the Battlefield 4 game in Olds on Aug 16th at Weekend Warriors. There are likely to be 200+ players there, with probably 30-40 PTWs, as well as every other make or model of AR out there. And the age limit is 16+. Even if you don't play, you may still be able to talk to the largest player gathering in Alberta in many years if, perhaps, ever.

Seriously, check it out.

Hey I'll be in Alberta by then lol! I'll be in Cold Lake on the 16th but no time to head to a game :(

mcguyver August 10th, 2008 01:25

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Originally Posted by Drache (Post 790392)
Hey I'll be in Alberta by then lol! I'll be in Cold Lake on the 16th but no time to head to a game :(

Tell'em they can wait a day and go to the game. ;)

Drache August 10th, 2008 01:28

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Originally Posted by mcguyver (Post 790394)
Tell'em they can wait a day and go to the game. ;)

If the sam-r was running in tip top shape I just might! All my gear is being brought with me to alberta anyways lol :D

cosmicduck August 10th, 2008 02:08

what would you guys say for this as a starter gun? supposing i could get it through the border. Classic Army M15A2 Carbine http://www.wgcshop.com/

Bowers August 10th, 2008 02:11

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 790427)
what would you guys say for this as a starter gun? supposing i could get it through the border. Classic Army M15A2 Carbine http://www.wgcshop.com/

classic army are good crunchmeisters m15 is a real beast apparantly

Ktown Militia August 10th, 2008 02:12

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 790427)
what would you guys say for this as a starter gun? supposing i could get it through the border. Classic Army M15A2 Carbine http://www.wgcshop.com/

Sweet gun, but chances are you will never see it if it goes through customs.

cosmicduck August 10th, 2008 20:25

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Originally Posted by Ktown Militia (Post 790431)
Sweet gun, but chances are you will never see it if it goes through customs.

I have been thinkign about the customs business, and i thought maybe since I've discovered it it extremely hard to find a quality gun down here, air soft just isn't as huge as one might think. So i thought to my self what if i were to go to a retailer with a BFL license and ask the owner to special order it for me and pay little extra for his troubles. sure id be paying for more then what i could normally get but at least id get it for a slight inflation cost rather then risking a criminal record. is this sound thinking or just childish non-sense?

And thanks for the info on the fact that i can go play if i wanted, but i think first i'm gonna have to save some money up and get the stuff i need before i start play haha otherwise i'll get owned :)

StanK27 August 10th, 2008 20:28

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 790249)
I'm looking to buy an m4a1 that is full metal, my question is what is the best m4a1 i can buy from a Canadian retailer for around 150$ - 200$.

I have been looking around i read the FAQ's and i used the search engine to find similar posts. i didn't find what i wanted so now i feel it necessary to post a thread.

Not going to find one in Canada for $200, that's fo sho.

Bowers August 10th, 2008 20:29

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 790988)
I have been thinkign about the customs business, and i thought maybe since I've discovered it it extremely hard to find a quality gun down here, air soft just isn't as huge as one might think. So i thought to my self what if i were to go to a retailer with a BFL license and ask the owner to special order it for me and pay little extra for his troubles. sure id be paying for more then what i could normally get but at least id get it for a slight inflation cost rather then risking a criminal record. is this sound thinking or just childish non-sense?

And thanks for the info on the fact that i can go play if i wanted, but i think first i'm gonna have to save some money up and get the stuff i need before i start play haha otherwise i'll get owned :)

lemme see if i read this correctly

are you talking about going to a gun shop and getting them to bring one in?

Ktown Militia August 10th, 2008 20:30

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 790988)
I have been thinkign about the customs business, and i thought maybe since I've discovered it it extremely hard to find a quality gun down here, air soft just isn't as huge as one might think. So i thought to my self what if i were to go to a retailer with a BFL license and ask the owner to special order it for me and pay little extra for his troubles. sure id be paying for more then what i could normally get but at least id get it for a slight inflation cost rather then risking a criminal record. is this sound thinking or just childish non-sense?

And thanks for the info on the fact that i can go play if i wanted, but i think first i'm gonna have to save some money up and get the stuff i need before i start play haha otherwise i'll get owned :)

seeing how your 17, why not just wait till your 18 like many others? Then you can meet up with a local age verifier and use the kick-ass classifieds here on ASC! Plus by that time hopefully, you will have enough dough to buy a wicked ass gun for your first AEG.

Crunchmeister August 10th, 2008 20:41

If you can get one, I highly recommend a CA M15 of whatever flavour. Externally, they're about as good as they come with a kickass metal body and super-solid externals. I hear internals are a bit hit-or-miss, but usually the problem (piston & head, tappet plate, spring guide) are all cheap and plentiful and easy to replace.

My rifle is an absolute killer all around. It's had some minor internal upgrades (bearing spring guide, Systema silent piston / cylinder head, tappet plate), but not till it had 20 000 rounds put through it stock. None of the stock internals showed any wear other than the tappet plate after all the use (I thought the internals would be worn to shit).

I recently added a tightbore and it's a tack-driver now. It got me some nice kills at the last game - all 50-ish foot ranges through thick brush (described as "bush as thick as 70s porn"). I wouldn't trade this gun for anything, even a PTW.

ShelledPants August 10th, 2008 20:41

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 790988)
I have been thinkign about the customs business, and i thought maybe since I've discovered it it extremely hard to find a quality gun down here, air soft just isn't as huge as one might think. So i thought to my self what if i were to go to a retailer with a BFL license and ask the owner to special order it for me and pay little extra for his troubles. sure id be paying for more then what i could normally get but at least id get it for a slight inflation cost rather then risking a criminal record. is this sound thinking or just childish non-sense?

And thanks for the info on the fact that i can go play if i wanted, but i think first i'm gonna have to save some money up and get the stuff i need before i start play haha otherwise i'll get owned :)

As AEG's are not firearms, a Business Firearms License will do you no good. Why would he jeopardize his business to help some child import a replica firearm?

Crunchmeister August 10th, 2008 20:45

A BFL by itself does not necessarily grant the holder the right to import prohibited items. And those that do hold BFLs that allow prohibited items can only import them for the purpose of use in film / TV / theatrical productions. They don't grant the license holder the right to sell the items.

Dude, there are people here that have been into airsoft since you were still shitting in your diapers. If it was that easy to get stuff in the country, trust me, others would have thought of it before you.

Ktown Militia August 10th, 2008 20:47

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Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 791003)
Dude, there are people here that have been into airsoft since you were still shitting in your diapers. If it was that easy to get stuff in the country, trust me, others would have thought of it before you.

LOL, or jumping nut to nut.

cosmicduck August 10th, 2008 20:48

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Originally Posted by ShelledPants (Post 791001)
As AEG's are not firearms, a Business Firearms License will do you no good. Why would he jeopardize his business to help some child import a replica firearm?

I read on the FAQ's in the importing thread, that in order to receive a replica firearm you either take the risk or try and get a BFL license, which is stupid to go and try and get one since u need to own a registered business in order to be able to receive a BFL. so i thought since the store i was thinkign of was already sold firearms and pellet guns there would be no affect to his business since he has the proper license to import such items in which case i would then consult him to see if he'd be willing to do a favor not to his total loss.

by the way please don't treat me like shit when i'm just trying to figure my way through this just explain it to me like a normal human being not shit that is under your shoe i don't appreciate it and no one else does either.

Crunchmeister August 10th, 2008 20:50

Dude, read more, post less.

Bowers August 10th, 2008 20:51

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 791007)
I read on the FAQ's in the importing thread, that in order to receive a replica firearm you either take the risk or try and get a BFL license, which is stupid to go and try and get one since u need to own a registered business in order to be able to receive a BFL. so i thought since the store i was thinkign of was already sold firearms and pellet guns there would be no affect to his business since he has the proper license to import such items in which case i would then consult him to see if he'd be willing to do a favor not to his total loss.

posted by crunchmeister
"A BFL by itself does not necessarily grant the holder the right to import prohibited items. And those that do hold BFLs that allow prohibited items can only import them for the purpose of use in film / TV / theatrical productions. They don't grant the license holder the right to sell the items."

step 1 learn to wait
step 2 attend or spectate a game so you can meet players in your area (you dont need a gun to talk to people)
step 3 goes hand in hand with step 2 make friends in your community now so people know who you are when you turn 18
step 4 turn 18
step 5 AGE VERIFY
step 6 spend yourself into the poor house
step 7 ???
step 8 profit?

first 3 worked for me they can work for you too

Ktown Militia August 10th, 2008 20:52

some people have no sense of humour.

cosmicduck August 10th, 2008 20:54

ok so in this case since I'm wrong... how the hell do i get one into Canada legally???

Ktown Militia August 10th, 2008 20:55

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 791016)
ok so in this case since I'm wrong... how the hell do i get one into Canada legally???

dude, have you not been reading our replies!?

cosmicduck August 10th, 2008 20:57

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Originally Posted by TCSF-Bowers (Post 791012)
posted by crunchmeister
"A BFL by itself does not necessarily grant the holder the right to import prohibited items. And those that do hold BFLs that allow prohibited items can only import them for the purpose of use in film / TV / theatrical productions. They don't grant the license holder the right to sell the items."

step 1 learn to wait
step 2 attend or spectate a game so you can meet players in your area (you dont need a gun to talk to people)
step 3 goes hand in hand with step 2 make friends in your community now so people know who you are when you turn 18
step 4 turn 18
step 5 AGE VERIFY
step 6 spend yourself into the poor house
step 7 ???
step 8 profit?

first 3 worked for me they can work for you too

thanks for the help man, i guess i'll take the long route :(

Crunchmeister August 10th, 2008 20:58

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 791016)
ok so in this case since I'm wrong... how the hell do i get one into Canada legally???

Read the replies in this thread. YOU cannot get one into the country. A gun dealer can't get one in the country. Wait till you're 18, get age-verified, and a whole world of airsoft guns will open up to you.

Till then, as I said in my last post, read more, post less.

Ktown Militia August 10th, 2008 20:59

it'll be worth it man! In the meantime, read up as much you can if your serious about airsoft. It will help pass the time too!

cosmicduck August 10th, 2008 20:59

ok sorry i just realize how difficult i'm being right now, kinda having a stressful day, hope you can forgive me.

The Duck.

Ktown Militia August 10th, 2008 21:01

lol, its all good man. where you from? fill in the ol profile.

cosmicduck August 10th, 2008 21:04

I'm in pretty much the center of surrey in British Columbia and tis a good idea to fill in the profile.

Drache August 10th, 2008 21:12

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Originally Posted by cosmicduck (Post 791016)
ok so in this case since I'm wrong... how the hell do i get one into Canada legally???

get age verified and place an order through a local retailer but be prepared to pay the inflated Canadian price :D

cosmicduck August 10th, 2008 21:21

noooooooo! * puts on helmet and steel gauntlets* lets do this! haha

Strelok August 10th, 2008 21:27

Megasignature, I'd kill it before you get an infraction.

Just wait bud, Or get reaaal freindly with your local airsofters. Give them a good impression and you might get lucky. Thats what I did. Trying to break the law and smuggle will not do you any good.

Edit: Also, do take into considoration, You have no better chance than anybody getting a gun through the border, If it was as easy as you seem to think, we wouldnt have the problem of paying our inflated prices. Or people like me giving you a prod to pay like we had :P.

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