G36c vs M4
 

Hey guys some of you met me at the match at LZ, and while talking to some of you and learning about starter gear, I came to the conclusion that I should start off with a m4 or a g36c. Now some will say that ak's are the way to go well my friend childofblood is getting one so I want to avoid an ak just to cover a larger game base. So out of your experience which gun would be better the m4 or g36, I will be upgrading either one I get for a larger battery and better internals.
Thanks in advance Maehem

G36 and AK use V3 gearboxes which seal better than the V2 in the M4. So you'll get better performance with fewer upgrade parts than you would in the M4.
From a performance view, the G36/AK is the way to go.
The AK seems to have a flaw where after a while your selector is unable to switch to semi auto, It's an easy fix but I don't know anything about it.

Now the advantages of the M4:
MAGAZINES
you can fit 3 mags where you'd normally fit 2 G36 mags, and they're shorter than AK mags, plus theres lots of options you'll always find a brand of M4 mag that feeds in your gun, lots of exterior options too.

G36C for sure, it will perform much better than the M4.

V2 gearbox for the LOSE

G36 w/m4 magwell conversion
All the pros of a V3 gearbox with the advantage of finding lots of nice small M4 mags.

True enough. I had this problem develop on my Real Sword 2 weekends ago. Shoots fine in auto, but I can no longer get the selector switch to move into the semi position. Haven't taken it apart to investigate yet, as I don't see it as a real problem, since I never use semi anyway.

yeah and I think the m4 mag conversion kit is like 30 sum odd dollors, plus some one was telling me you can get a upgrade kit for the g36 and it upgrades everything thats "bad" with any components for like 150 I think it was, could be wrong about the price though.

I agree that the G36 is a better model to play with because it certainly does have a better mechbox design, plus it always comes with a folding stock for CQB moments. On the other hand, if you're going for asthetics as well as performance then the Armalite series of guns have the G36 series beat, hands down.

Sure you can get the same add ons for both guns, but the M4 always looks sweeter...in my opinion.

My advice though is to get a KWA G36C and never look back dude.

yeah i agree the looks are nice on the m4 but the gear box on the g36 would make up for the looks and I mean its not like the g36 is ugly.

Also Forgot to mention a G36c can be made into a MG36 if thats your style. But both guns can be made into the sniper or counter sniper if you want.

The only thing is that he wants to push it up to a large battery, so you'd need the larger foregrip. IMO ruins the G36, it looks like it has a Jay Leno chin.
And we all know how attractive that sounds.

G36C or M4
 

The M4 looks good but,

M4 has barrel wobble issues in the stock form ,
you pretty much have to get a cheap D-Boys or a TM S-System style front end or a free floating barrel RAS kit to fix that problem for good and start on a stable platform,
then tune your mechbox for the game your playing ( Field or CQB )

G36C

The G36C is a ugly gun but it grows on you,

It was the last gun I bought. Has been my primary for 2 yrs now no problems.
But war isnt pretty so get a G36C and do the G36K front end Mod ,
you will fit in a bigger battery and be able to fit a longer tight bore inner barrel,

"It's just the right thing to do. "

I forgot about that front end mod, what battery size do you think I could get out of that. Plus I mean it makes it look so good bringing a bit of length to the gun IMO balancing it out giving it a better line then the stock look.

One big thing i'd suggest. Try shouldering each of them to make sure the rifle fits your body. I love the look of the fixed scope aug but when i got to try one out it was completely the wrong size for my arm length. Hopefully you'll be spending a lot of time with it in your arms so make sure you get something thats comfortable for you.

just keep the small foregrip and use a lipo

Blastphemy....

H&K is god.




*Queue the arguement that the G36 was maybe originally developed by someone else*

Star G36k < all.

No seriously, it's one of the nicest built guns EVER. V3 is indestructible (almost), and it has a REALLY high ROF.

Armalite varients (PTW excluded) usually need alot of $$ to stay reliable. But then you have the Pro-Win boxes...

It REALLY boils down to personal pref. I like the ARs ergonomics better, but I like the G36's ability to be awesome out of the box.... I also HATE the conversion kits as I'm left handed, and they designed the unit terribly.

You're probably thinking of the G3, which came from the CETME M.58, IIRC.

Actually, I think it was the MP5, since I was even more batshit crazy about that gun a few years ago then I was now. I know it was an H&K gun though. So I searched it up for some information. And these forum people were having "a contest of who had biggest balls" (if you will) of gun knowledge, and apparently the MP5 was... I dunno.. I still dont know. Haha

i think its time for an AK

I've owned a number of high end M4s and none, aside for the TM, had barrel wobble in their stock form. I'm not sure what make you're using as a reference but I've never run into that problem with a CA, ICS, G&G or G&P.

The MP5 is a derivative of the G3, which in turn is a derivative of the CETME....Which is technically german (as it was first designed by a german for CETME, in Spain)... And HK was the company that redesigned that whole platform to make the MP5.... so....

Oh god, I've confused myself... lol.

Anyway... STAR G36, or nothin' :p

Sorry but what's a lipo?

Agh...., the G3 is such a .... Unpleasant looking gun, How could something so beautiful as an MP5 derive from that?

KWA G36C no good? (when you said G36, did you mean G36C?)

Its the procedure you go for to get all the fat sucked out of your belly.







*Wears flame retardant suit*

FYI for all those who want to covert their G36 to use Armalite mags, here you go.

http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1315

Lipo is a type of battery were each cell in the battery(a battery consists of multiple cells) is 3.7V The KWA G36c is lipo ready and can handle a 3 cell lipo battery. 11.1V Lipo battery can have lots of mah (milliamps and its roughly 1 bb per mah) as well. Also Another option for the G36 is the norweign(sp?) V stock it holds a Large battery and allows for the stock to still fold.
The M4 has a similiar system called a crane stock.

yeah I saw that stock for the M4, I think Xroyal has it on his M4 sleek looking. The norweign v stock sounds like a good idea though, have to look into it.

Hell yes to Star for looks. Hell no for inards. I just got me two Star G36Cs. Brand spankin new and I'm having to replace some of the guts. The cylinder and piston head didn't seal, nor did the cylinder head on either unit. Not to mention one of the triggers was broken right from the retailer.

In the end, Star makes the best looking G36 out there. Not to mention tear down of the gun is a snap, same goes for their V3 mechbox as they have a quick change spring mechbox.

FYI - I'm able to put a 9.6 mini in my hand guards with lots of room. Probably enough to put a 10.8. Changing batteries is easy as pie so I run with a couple extras just in case.

Mine shot the seeds out of a pickle. :p

Well...you enjoy your pickle and seeds then... :-P

Haha what the hell is that suppose to mean.

I can attest of that... was mine for a while...

I miss her...

AND

I double wired it to front and rear.

Using a LayLax M4 stock adapter and a VLTOR stock.

You could also use a CRANE or even a full stock if you want.

AND

I could remove the AR stock and still use the G36 stock without problems.

AND

By doing so, I could quick swap the spring out of the gearbox by folding the stock WITHOUT TOOLS!

Star G36 series FTW! This will be my next gun.

Agreed. I've used AKs for the entire time I've played airsoft, and never even heard of this so-called problem with switching to semi-auto.

Pros:
- Solid design, no wobble (M4) or creaking (G36)
- Large battery in stock for all day gaming.
- Long barrel (longer than M4 at least).
- Large capacity mags (600 round hi-caps)
- Simple to operate
- Uses rock-solid v.3 mechbox with its own inherent bonuses
- Externally upgradeable to the exact same degree as an AR. There are at least 20 AK variants you can use as just a base model.
- Simple to strip down to the mechbox. I've torn them apart multiple times with just a screwdriver, at the field.

No cons, as far as I am concerned.

Cons: It's an AK. :p j/k

I went from a CA36K when I first started in airsoft. Sold it after barely a few months because I was lured by a cheap whore to an M4. After several pills, some ointments, and a cold shower later, I saw the light and bought a couple Star G36Cs.

It goes without saying that it is a funky looking gun. Then again, so is the AK. But, like what has already been said, the looks grown on you.

2 Kos's don't make a right, but they sure make a great MBR :D LOL

Well the way i see things is which gun do you like personally, if you look past all the upgrade mumbo jumbo, which is better and stuff like that, just pick the gun you think that looks cooler than the other, upgrades can come next i guesse

Yeah looks are great and I mean that whats the point of getting a gun if you hate how it looks and you never want to use it. Who cares if the g36 is a bit weird that's what makes it great its like Marilyn Monroe's mole. Now comes the bit more difficult part on which company to get it from.

star star star.

Yeah, star is a good brand. I hear CA is good aswell, but you should replace the internals for more durability.

I owned both a TM G36c and a TM M4a1, I had a hard time picking between the two when I went to games. The M4a1 was upgraded to 400 fps though, and for bush I always used it. The mags were the big advantage until I got my G36c a mag well conversion after the mag well conversion my G36c all of a sudden became more useful and a lot more fun. It handled very well, just the mags wouldn't always fit tight, and they were a bit of a pain to do a quick change with, but nothing you couldn't get used to. It had an insane rate of fire though. If I had the money I'd just get both again lol.