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The Acer October 10th, 2008 22:57

This is an PTW thread
 
since there are h&k thread, shotgun thread, AK thread, etc. i thought we could start a PTW thread

my newest addition to my collection is my
Systema PTW CQBR MAX late 2007

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/...3039faa2_b.jpg


- Aimpoint Replica
- 5 Systema PTW Mags
- Madbulls XM203 Short launcher

Styrak October 10th, 2008 23:00

Why did you mount the M203 so far forward?

The Acer October 10th, 2008 23:03

the sling thiny right above the M203 catches on the m203 when u pull it back, i need to take it off since i have a one point set up

also the mechbox also hits the m203 if it in the normal position not that it matters on the field

Styrak October 10th, 2008 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Acer (Post 837919)
also the mechbox also hits the m203 if it in the normal position not that it matters on the field

Ah so you can swap cylinders on the field more easily. :rolleyes:

The Acer October 10th, 2008 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 837934)
Ah so you can swap cylinders on the field more easily. :rolleyes:

only to friendly fire on you :P

Ronan October 10th, 2008 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 837934)
Ah so you can swap cylinders on the field more easily. :rolleyes:

Word on the street he has a M170 (modified m150) dedicated for you:D

Styrak October 10th, 2008 23:18

Yeah and if he does that during games he'll be kicked out.
Haha. Funny.

Ronan October 10th, 2008 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 837940)
Yeah and if he does that during games he'll be kicked out.
Haha. Funny.

Pretty sure everyone will make an exception because its you:p

Lakonian October 10th, 2008 23:23

'08 M4 MAX. Factory assy.

Crap tastic EOTech, LaRue Knock off 7" FFH...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ment-1aspx.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...nt-2aspx-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...nt-3aspx-1.jpg

lexbroski October 10th, 2008 23:28

I just assembled my first PTW. Knowing what I was possibly getting myself into with buyin the SCK...........so far so good. Love it!!
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...oski/myptw.jpg

Ronan October 10th, 2008 23:53

I'll take better pics once my new lense arrives. Ill also take the PTW LWRC that im finishing up for this winter. So far for summer games:

2008 Max, M90, M110, M130, M150, lipo
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1556/ronanptwdo7.jpg
Edit: Flashlight makes the body look like that, when you hold it, everything is the same shade of black.

Brakoo October 11th, 2008 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 837957)
I'll take better pics once my new lense arrives. Ill also take the PTW LWRC that im finishing up for this winter. So far for summer games:

May I ask what summer game you went to anyway ?

Ronan October 11th, 2008 00:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brakoo (Post 837965)
May I ask what summer game you went to anyway ?

Wasn't here this summer, i was earning the money to pay for all this. Whoring myself in 2 different countries.

Styrak October 11th, 2008 00:27

So your summer airsofting consists of gear whoring and "pimping out" your PTW.

Awesome. :D

Ronan October 11th, 2008 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 837976)
So your summer airsofting consists of gear whoring and "pimping out" your PTW.

Awesome. :D

I don't gear whore. Ask Dracheous and Brakoo, i carry my mags in my pockets. Usually have one in one hand for tacticool reload:p

Styrak October 11th, 2008 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 837978)
I don't gear whore. Ask Dracheous and Brakoo, i carry my mags in my pockets. Usually have one in one hand for tacticool reload:p

Ok sorry. Diverting funds from buying a measly little tacvest for buying more PTW stuff. :D

Fei Korv October 11th, 2008 00:35

Ronan where.....did you hide the pmag???

Ronan October 11th, 2008 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 837982)
Ok sorry. Diverting funds from buying a measly little tacvest for buying more PTW stuff. :D

You missed the sarcasm, try again.

Korv, you have the pmag AFAIK, look again:D

Beowulfe October 11th, 2008 00:38

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/DSC00767.jpg

Ronan October 11th, 2008 00:41

What silencer is that beowulfe?

Beowulfe October 11th, 2008 00:45

Gemtech G5

LeGROS October 11th, 2008 00:54

http://www.shootsoft.ca/photos_op/images/DSC01592.jpg

Will get better picture soon!

MMMMmmmmm PTW!!!!

Cleric October 11th, 2008 01:16

I'm not much of a photographer, but...
http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/phot...33048_2866.jpg

Cheesevillage October 11th, 2008 01:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleric (Post 837995)
I'm not much of a photographer, but...
http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/phot...33048_2866.jpg

Jeeze Cleric! Last year around this time that gun didn't have any tan furnature.
And it had a real eotech...same gun?

Endymion October 11th, 2008 01:30

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...S_IMG_1405.jpg

2007 PTW MAX M16A3 (burst)
EOTech 552
Vickers Sling

Cleric October 11th, 2008 01:34

Yes, it was all black last year, but Lay-Z-Boy, Sears, Ikea, all the furniture stores said tan was in for 2008, so I changed it:)

Still using a real eotech, just painted the shroud.

Beazer October 11th, 2008 01:37

Endymion has the best looking one so far, on the bottom.
Sorry Tim!;0

Cleric October 11th, 2008 01:42

Possibly, Brynn...
I so like the look of the launcher, but it really wouldn't fit my CQB-R.
Also, everyone *flamed* me the last time I painted a gun (think MP5-SD5) so I've kind of stuck with furniture changes for a while.

Endymion October 11th, 2008 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beazer (Post 838009)
Endymion has the best looking one so far, on the bottom.
Sorry Tim!;0

Can't take credit for that - the bottom one belongs to c3sk, and is actually a Classic Army. ;-)

trevor October 11th, 2008 10:14

08
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/DSC01915.jpg

07 upgraded to 08
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/DSC01923.jpg

Beowulfe October 11th, 2008 11:04

LMAO!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beazer (Post 838009)
Endymion has the best looking one so far, on the bottom.
Sorry Tim!;0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endymion (Post 838058)
Can't take credit for that - the bottom one belongs to c3sk, and is actually a Classic Army. ;-)


c3sk October 11th, 2008 11:54

<giggle>

Beazer October 11th, 2008 13:14

shitty hey,well I know Trev's got some nice ones.
I just like it when it's all painted up and the like.

Yeah, your MC paintjob might have gotten ya some flameage there Cleric, but it shot real nice.

GO CA!!!!!!!

swatt13 October 12th, 2008 00:55

a noveske flash hider, ronan, i cant remeber if ive asked you about this, but is that as far as you can collapse your crt stock w/ the lipo? thats the most i ever extend my stock lol, so im trying to figure out if a lipo is for me. i think every one should also post their stats w/ their gun (year, gen, sck, cyl, batt ect)
07 sck max, 130, nicad
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ale/ptw012.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...4-13-08106.jpg

westbon October 13th, 2008 02:27

very sexy guys, PTW always is my dream, not easy to get one in Vietnam. hix

Ronan October 13th, 2008 22:12

Quote:

ronan, i cant remeber if ive asked you about this, but is that as far as you can collapse your crt stock w/ the lipo?
Buy the new mini lipo's (ull need 2 for a full day game). Get your 2008 power board minimized (takes off 1" by tackleberry) then you can fully retract it).

romeo sierra October 14th, 2008 01:50

RONAN.. nice lookin m4!

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...4/DSC00184.jpg

airborne1 October 14th, 2008 02:12

Here's mine.
http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/phot...387914_110.jpg

Ronan October 14th, 2008 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by romeo sierra (Post 839570)

Thanks mate :)

Hehe i had that handguard before, great handguard :D

I'll put up pics of the LWRC one next week when i have my new lense :)

JoeyJackhammer October 14th, 2008 16:06

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...r/PTW/PTW2.jpg


my '07 PTW MAX 3 rnd burst CK assembled by Beowulfe. Still can't decide on optics, torn between HuangCOG or 3x with AP or Eotech. Paint to come.

mcguyver October 15th, 2008 23:04

OK, I'll bite.

Their current incarnations:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4...1032sy1.th.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9...1035bv6.th.jpg

Qlong October 15th, 2008 23:19

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2155/img6723vm9.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9748/img6720bi6.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9315/img6722hb9.jpg

Aquamarine October 15th, 2008 23:52

Now do PTW's come with all those cylinders? If not, what's the point of buying the black one?

trevor October 15th, 2008 23:54

they all use cylinders but the color shows what spring is in it:
M90=black
M110=blue
M130=gold
M150=red
You just pop it open and change the cylinder to go from CQB to outdoor

mcguyver October 16th, 2008 00:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevor (Post 840903)
You just pop it open and change the cylinder to go from CQB to outdoor


What? You don't use the M150 for CQB? You don't know what you're missing. ;)

Each of mine comes with an M150 (that actually do get used BTW), and I have all the others plus a few extras as back-ups.

Aquamarine October 16th, 2008 00:59

Oh, I had heard that the black one was the most powerful and fired upwards of 550fps using .2's. My mistake.

JoeyJackhammer October 16th, 2008 02:31

Max guns come with Red (~500 fps) springs
Max II guns come with Black (~350 fps) springs, but can use the red cylinder as well

Non-Max guns can use all cylinders except the Red one

swatt13 October 18th, 2008 16:45

ok, heres a question. i want to throw a ca 203 on my cqb. two problems, the rear mount is loose, and the front mount is too small to fit around my flash hider. any one have any reccommendations or what they did? if i could find that new style front clamp id buy that, but so far have been unable to find it. the back, im sure i can but aluminum or tape shims in there.

6ft4 October 21st, 2008 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by -WoTaN- (Post 838633)

Current project (HK416), waiting for a new lower:
http://medlem.spray.se/w0tan/Project%204-16/8.jpg

Got more info on the HK416 PTW?
Thanks!!

The Acer October 21st, 2008 22:45

also challenge kits, come with the black one (300fps)

also the number represent the approxtimate Meter/second, for speed
so M90=90m/s, 300fps
so M150 = 150m/s, 500fps

McKee October 22nd, 2008 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by westbon (Post 838965)
very sexy guys, PTW always is my dream, not easy to get one in Vietnam. hix


I will buy you a PTW if you let me play airsoft in the jungles of vietnam.

Amos October 22nd, 2008 00:36

Wait a sec... We already have a M4/M16 thread..

Why do we need a separate one for PTW'S? They're M4/M16's are they not?

Cheesevillage October 22nd, 2008 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amos (Post 845475)
Wait a sec... We already have a M4/M16 thread..

Why do we need a separate one for PTW'S? They're M4/M16's are they not?


This kinda already came up...the nicest "PTW" in this thread is apparently a CA :rolleyes:

The Acer October 22nd, 2008 02:20

PTW are sorta in their own classification ;)

Amos October 22nd, 2008 02:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by the acer (Post 845533)
ptw are sorta in their own classification ;)

NO.

Go back to your PTW CANADA.

Wilson October 22nd, 2008 06:00

Quick! Grab your caulking guns! We need to keep the water out of this thread or the PTW's will all stop working entirely!

Beowulfe October 22nd, 2008 08:11

How about if you don't have any PTW media to contribute....

SHUT THE F*CK UP!

Some of us are actually interested in seeing what other PTW owners are doing.

Amos October 22nd, 2008 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulfe (Post 845595)
How about if you don't have any PTW media to contribute....

SHUT THE F*CK UP!

Some of us are actually interested in seeing what other PTW owners are doing.

The Acer has just the place for this!

He calls it "PTW Canada" It's basically like Airsoft Canada meets the Systema forum... But only with a handful of members!

All jokes aside, I got to handle a TW5... Those things feel awesome! Can't really judge how well they shoot because the one I shot had a 450 FPS cylinder in it lol. I really liked the burst feature on it :)

Lakonian October 22nd, 2008 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulfe (Post 845595)
How about if you don't have any PTW media to contribute....

SHUT THE F*CK UP!

Some of us are actually interested in seeing what other PTW owners are doing.

Yeah. Too many people bashing PTWs.

Honestly, boys. It's not the firearm, or kit that makes the operator.

If you wanna wave your soggy dicks around, do it elsewhere. PTW is just another AEG.. A fuckin' nice one, but still JAFT (just another fucking toy).

Ming_the_Merciless October 22nd, 2008 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by romeo sierra (Post 839570)

Good God:
Stag Lower Reciever
Vltor Upper Reciever
LaRue Free Float Quad Rail
Troy Industries Front and Rear Flip Up Sights
Magpul Stock
Reinforced Stainless-Steel Barrel w/ Phanton Flash Suppressor

I would have to physically inspect that PTW to know if thats real or not. Great looking gun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kos (Post 845836)
Yeah. Too many people bashing PTWs.

Honestly, boys. It's not the firearm, or kit that makes the operator.

If you wanna wave your soggy dicks around, do it elsewhere. PTW is just another AEG.. A fuckin' nice one, but still JAFT (just another fucking toy).

+1

Complete agreement with you:

"In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance or tactics. They will only remember who lived."

These days it seems everyone seems want to be all f*ing "high-speed". :rolleyes:

Falling into a dangerous misconception that the kit is what makes an warrior, tactical-mall-ninjas and all. Keep it in perspective, for example, if I taught you how to take off on an F-22, showed you how to fire the missile and guns, and land, would you say your ready for air combat? I've watched an entire building/structure get cleared, full of AEG users, by a single individual with a cheap springer shotgun. Now I want to absolutely make clear that in no way I'm I saying all PTW users lack skills in some shape, way or form, but for those users do keep it in perspective. Hell, of course I'd use a PTW if given a choice, but in my opinion just tools for the toolbox, PTW is a beautiful and damn good "nail driver", but ultimately for a fraction of the cost any other AEG would get the job done, propel a BB down range. Will any other AEG have the ability to interface with aftermarket real-steel parts, is as unique or innovative? Probably not, but hey different strokes for different folks.

Again, nothing against PTW users, I just don't want to perpetuate the idea that its the gear or kit that makes a warrior.

Brakoo October 22nd, 2008 17:53

Reason why you have people bashing on PTW is because of the way some PTW users are acting and talking. They make it sound like if if it's not a PTW it's not worth playing with and what not, yet again a lot of those people fail to prove that they have any kind of skills.

Owning an expensive gun doesn't make you a good player, far from it.... WAY FAR ! In the end if some people would stop acting like if PTW were god's gift to earth maybe there wouldn't be what you call that PTW bashing.

Lakonian October 22nd, 2008 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ming_the_Merciless (Post 845874)
+1

Complete agreement with you:

"In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance or tactics. They will only remember who lived."

These days it seems everyone seems want to be all f*ing "high-speed". :rolleyes:

Falling into a dangerous misconception that the kit is what makes an warrior, tactical-mall-ninjas and all. Keep it in perspective, for example, if I taught you how to take off on an F-22, showed you how to fire the missle and guns, and land, would you say your ready for air combat?

I've watched an entire building/structure get cleared, full of AEG users, by a single individual with a cheap springer shotgun. Now I want to absolutely make clear that in no way I'm I saying all PTW users lack skills in some shape, way or form, but for those users do keep it in perspective.

Hell, of course I'd use a PTW if given a choice, but in my opinion just tools for the toolbox, PTW is a beautiful and damn good "nail driver", but ultimately for a fraction of the cost any other AEG would get the job done, propel a BB down range. Will any other AEG have the ability to interface with aftermarket real-steel parts, is as unique or innovative? Probably not, but hey different strokes for different folks.

Again, nothing against PTW users, I just don't want to perpetuate the idea that its the gear or kit that makes a warrior.

Right on.

I'm a PTW owner, but I'm not a highspeed , doorkickin' swingin' dick.

It's simply the nicest FEELING... lol. That's bout it. But feel doesn't matter much when you're being ambushed by 10+, and taking a spankin'.... :p

LOL MOLON LAVE!

Drake October 22nd, 2008 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brakoo (Post 845877)
Reason why you have people bashing on PTW is because of the way some PTW users are acting and talking. They make it sound like if if it's not a PTW it's not worth playing with and what not, yet again a lot of those people fail to prove that they have any kind of skills.

Owning an expensive gun doesn't make you a good player, far from it.... WAY FAR ! In the end if some people would stop acting like if PTW were god's gift to earth maybe there wouldn't be what you call that PTW bashing.


Exactly.

If PTW owners can't respect other AEG owners, don't except AEG owners to like the PTW fanboyism.

Perfect example here:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...t=69148&page=2



Now play nice and think twice before posting dumb comments, and everything will go much more smoothly.

Ronan October 22nd, 2008 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulfe (Post 845888)
I new that this would quickly degrade into an old, boring, worn-out PTW debate. Can we just keep this thread on task?

PTW owners, join up, it's free, people are 'decent', information for PTW is A++
http://www.systema-europe.com/Forum/default.asp

You won't have to deal with anti-ptw people.

Drake October 23rd, 2008 10:27

Cleaned. Now stick to the media, guys.

Ronan October 24th, 2008 11:28

New pic, got the SPR-E mount arriving next week. The regular SPR mount is nice but looks to bulky compared to the E version.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4687/ptw1gt9.jpg
Body difference of color is barely noticeable in normal light.

6ft4 October 27th, 2008 03:41

my ptw with some updates parts:
1)ITI AN/PEQ-2A ( Early version) with 12 inches cable
2)GRIPPODS GPS01
3)Y.H.M Picatinny Risers 1.30 Inches Long
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...07191Large.jpg

Ronan October 27th, 2008 17:48

Link to PTW Gun Pr0n: http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=69674

LWRC arriving tomorrow before 5. I so can't wait and hopefully will arrive before my late day exam!

The Acer October 29th, 2008 01:00

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/...8066b4de_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/...75511b18_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3198/...0baf82db_b.jpg

my silencer came in, slapped it on, and got a M16 inner barrel in there too to give that little extra range. might try it out, but that is one long silencer,
longer than the outter barrel

megaman October 29th, 2008 01:54

holy crap where when and how!! i want that silencer.

Ronan October 29th, 2008 02:01

A girl's best friend xD

The Acer October 29th, 2008 02:01

King Arms 335mm Silencer, got mine at redwolf, $35USD+ship
the coolness factor is through the roof ;)

Ronan: maybe for your gf, mine is already getting something that size

Ronan October 29th, 2008 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Acer (Post 850675)
Ronan: maybe for your gf, mine is already getting something that size

You only wish.

megaman October 29th, 2008 02:16

nice. thanks dood! x2 on the coolness factor!

JoeyJackhammer October 29th, 2008 03:46

that silencer totally defeats the purpose of getting a CQB-R

Ronan October 29th, 2008 03:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeyJackhammer (Post 850691)
that silencer totally defeats the purpose of getting a CQB-R

Takes about 10 seconds to change back to the CQB tightbore, it's a PTW mate...

TokyoSeven October 29th, 2008 05:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Acer (Post 850675)
King Arms 335mm Silencer, got mine at redwolf, $35USD+ship

Mines still longer.

500mm Silencer by laylax :D

Cushak October 29th, 2008 05:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 850693)
Takes about 10 seconds to change back to the CQB tightbore, it's a PTW mate...

Well, I'm assuming joeyjackhammer is under the impression that if one is going to put a longer barrel in, he's probably planning on gaming with it.

And I'm 90% positive he has a PTW, so he'd know that. He's also been gaming for longer than you, and I. Regardless, it takes only a miniscule amount of time to change a regular inner barrel on any armalite, wether it's a lowly TM or a mighty PTW, "m8".....

Ronan October 29th, 2008 05:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cushak (Post 850707)
Well, I'm assuming joeyjackhammer is under the impression that if one is going to put a longer barrel in, he's probably planning on gaming with it.

And I'm 90% positive he has a PTW, so he'd know that. He's also been gaming for longer than you, and I. Regardless, it takes only a miniscule amount of time to change a regular inner barrel on any armalite, wether it's a lowly TM or a mighty PTW, "m8".....

Thanks for the useless post.


Acer you should grab a flip up, the KA VLTOR one is pretty nice and cheap!

TokyoSeven October 29th, 2008 05:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 850708)

Acer you should grab a flip up, the KA VLTOR one is pretty nice and cheap!

I believe Ronan is refering to zee VLTOR sight tower

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/ka-Fs-06.jpg

Available locally from airsoftparts (unfortunetly they are out of stock right now)

Shes a sturdy quality made sight from my experience, although a friend of mine has one as well and his litteraly disintegrated part by part untill there wasnt really anything left.

Ronan October 29th, 2008 06:00

Thats the one T7! It's very nicely built and a LOT cheaper than the RS! It's also much better than the china made one. Worth every pennies.

TokyoSeven October 29th, 2008 06:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 850711)
Thats the one T7! It's very nicely built and a LOT cheaper than the RS! It's also much better than the china made one. Worth every pennies.

The asian clone makes my eyes bleed, and its only about 10 dollars less.

Im actually trading in my VLTOR tower in my new build, for what I cannot reveal just yet.

Personally though, Id probly go for a new front end myself if I had his gun. Im not a huge fan of the current one, but everyone likes different things.

The Acer October 29th, 2008 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cushak (Post 850707)
Well, I'm assuming joeyjackhammer is under the impression that if one is going to put a longer barrel in, he's probably planning on gaming with it.

And I'm 90% positive he has a PTW, so he'd know that. He's also been gaming for longer than you, and I. Regardless, it takes only a miniscule amount of time to change a regular inner barrel on any armalite, wether it's a lowly TM or a mighty PTW, "m8".....

I plan on using the longer barrel one for when i do outdoors, and use CQB barrel without silencer for CQB game, for when i play at PBP or at melville

Yes he has a PTW, as he posted a picture of his saying that he owns one 3 pages ago on this thread

Yes you can do a barrel swap on most armalites, but only PTW's can do it quickly by simply opening the gun, taking the cylinder/carry handle out, and changing the tightbore/hop up with a different length one. Its a matter of 20 seconds to go from Outdoors 425fps, to CQB 330fps. also not to mention while its open, with an allen key you can change it to a DMR semi only gun too, with less than 20 seconds,

Cassius October 29th, 2008 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Acer (Post 851343)
Yes you can do a barrel swap on most armalites, but only PTW's can do it quickly by simply opening the gun, taking the cylinder/carry handle out, and changing the tightbore/hop up with a different length one. Its a matter of 20 seconds to go from Outdoors 425fps, to CQB 330fps. also not to mention while its open, with an allen key you can change it to a DMR semi only gun too, with less than 20 seconds,

Sorry to barge in but if I may correct you; I have an ICS and I can do that as easily.

Please carry on. Just wanted to point out that this is not a PTW only feature. This is not me bashing on PTW owners as well, just making a correction.

Ronan October 29th, 2008 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassius (Post 851351)
Sorry to barge in but if I may correct you; I have an ICS and I can do that as easily.

Please carry on. Just wanted to point out that this is not a PTW only feature. This is not me bashing on PTW owners as well, just making a correction.

Yeah ICS's are nice, but a lot of problems with them also with air leak. Great AEG's though, heck i recommend them for people who can't afford or don't want to spend the money on a PTW. Like Testi say's, their cheap man ptw.

Edit: How come we don't see many on the fields or for sale?

Cassius October 29th, 2008 23:57

I was just pointing to the fact that you can do a barrel swap as easily as with a ptw. Besides, I've got no air leak problem with mine. I don't know if you see them or not on the field but to me they're an amazing brand and I choose ICS over TM or CA anytime. This isn't a contest to see if a ptw is better than something else or not, this is simply me pointing out that the ptw is not the only aeg able to do a quick barrel swap.

Ronan October 29th, 2008 23:58

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Originally Posted by Cassius (Post 851366)
I was just pointing to the fact that you can do a barrel swap as easily as with a ptw. Besides, I've got no air leak problem with mine. I don't know if you see them or not on the field but to me they're an amazing brand and I choose ICS over TM or CA anytime. This isn't a contest to see if a ptw is better than something else or not, this is simply me pointing out that the ptw is not the only aeg able to do a quick barrel swap.

It's always a contest with The Acer:D

No but seriously, ICS are nice and deff a choice for people that don't want a PTW. Thats why people call ICS cheap man PTW's.

mcguyver October 30th, 2008 00:05

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Originally Posted by The Acer (Post 851343)
also not to mention while its open, with an allen key you can change it to a DMR semi only gun too, with less than 20 seconds,

Be careful with that. I know that you're trying to fix the selector in position, but doing so will swell the lever indents and render you unable to remove it without destryoing it. And you'll need to remove it if you need to access the gearbox for any reason.

And Cassius, I've had no less than 10 ICS guns (mostly AR-variants), and by the time I was done with the last one, I had $1600+++ dollars into it, 2 spare uppers and enough spare parts to replace every component except the lower receiver and stock. I could not get the gun to run reliably above 400 fps, and these days 400 fps is where you start out here, not where you aspire to go.

That being said, if the PTW hasn't just been a bull of a workhorse for me, it would have been gone long ago. If the PTW never came along, I would still have the ICS, no question about it. It was alot more reliable than my G&P, but you got to love the G&P furniture and robustness.

Cassius October 30th, 2008 00:27

mcguyver,

as I mentioned in an other thread, all guns fail and all guns can last a lifetime. Over here 400fps is the max you can have on a field unless you plan on sniping, so I don't see the point in going over that. I've had a TM fail me and that ICS never failed me. To other people, their TM never failed them while an ICS failed them. It's the same with ptw, some die while some others never die. I see the purpose of sharing your experience with ICS but my point was simply to point out that it can do barrel swapping as easily as a ptw. I mentionned it as politely as possible since I feared this would turn into a ptw vs the world showdown. Once again, I was simply correcting the barrel swapping point The Acer brought up.

mcguyver October 30th, 2008 00:34

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Originally Posted by Cassius (Post 851403)
mcguyver,

as I mentioned in an other thread, all guns fail and all guns can last a lifetime. Over here 400fps is the max you can have on a field unless you plan on sniping, so I don't see the point in going over that. I've had a TM fail me and that ICS never failed me. To other people, their TM never failed them while an ICS failed them. It's the same with ptw, some die while some others never die. I see the purpose of sharing your experience with ICS but my point was simply to point out that it can do barrel swapping as easily as a ptw. I mentionned it as politely as possible since I feared this would turn into a ptw vs the world showdown. Once again, I was simply correcting the barrel swapping point The Acer brought up.


I know, I had an extra barrel and hop-up for my ICS. Like I said, if the PTW didn't come along, I'd still be there. You would have been shocked to see all the ICS stuff I had for that gun. ;)

But the one thing a PTW can do that I have yet to see an ICS do is run in semi-auto for it's whole life, at 5-6 rnds/sec, and not have to replace the switch or motor. Just throwing that gem out there. :D :D :D

Ronan October 30th, 2008 00:51

You guys can deny it all you want but...

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/207/ptwebqh4.jpg

:D

Amos October 30th, 2008 00:58

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4687/ptw1gt9.jpg

See you've got nice ones like this...


Then you've got...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/...8066b4de_b.jpg

lolol

I think the bottom one needs quite a bit of work..

stokes October 30th, 2008 00:59

Lmao... hahahaha... amos thats just mean...

Ronan October 30th, 2008 01:02

Amos play nice^^
And quote my new pics, they make it look better... *needs a Nikon with all the stuff Mr.Planters had*

Aquamarine October 30th, 2008 01:05

I think I vomited a little into my mouth.

... yep. I certainly did.

Although I'm not sure if it's because of the PTW or because I took a sip of Orange Crush and a big bite of a praline...

Amos October 30th, 2008 01:09

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Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 851420)
Amos play nice^^
And quote my new pics, they make it look better... *needs a Nikon with all the stuff Mr.Planters had*

Haha, It needs some work though.. Like you said, a huge 12" rail system covering up that massive dong of a silencer... It'd kinda look like a big... Stubby killer...

Ronan October 30th, 2008 01:11

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Originally Posted by Amos (Post 851425)
Haha, It needs some work though.. Like you said, a huge 12" rail system covering up that massive dong of a silencer... It'd kinda look like a big... Stubby killer...

DD Lite Rail 12" would look sick on his gun! But their so pricey :S

Amos October 30th, 2008 01:13

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Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 851427)
DD Lite Rail 12" would look sick on his gun! But their so pricey :S

Re-thread get the airsoft version.

There's no need to get the real-steel unless your life depends on it (or you're a collector lol)

Ronan October 30th, 2008 01:18

Amos broke ASC :D

Your talking about regular FF not Lite Rail and yes they would get the job done.

mcguyver October 30th, 2008 01:50

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Originally Posted by Amos (Post 851428)
Re-thread get the airsoft version.

There's no need to get the real-steel unless your life depends on it (or you're a collector lol)

When your gun weighs like this:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2...1042pz3.th.jpg

That Lite Rail is really tempting. I doubt the airsoft version would be as light or as tough. And tough you need to support a gun that weighs like that.

And saving a few pounds could save the life of an old guy who's out of shape. So you could say a life may depend on having the real one. ;)


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