Look what the mailman dropped off - Echo 1 P90
 

Was home for lunch, and the nice Canada Post dude rang the doorbell to being me the latest addition to my collection.

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Haven't had time to try it out as I had to get back to work quickly, but it looks and feels excellent. Top quality build as far as I can tell after 5 minutes with it. Will post some pics taken with my actual camera instead of iPhone later on. The battery is on the charger right now and I'll get to give it a test fire later tonight. I'll report back with my findings...

How's the metal body feel?

oooh very nice, I too am expecting to go home on lunch to find some goodies, how does it feel, quality of plastic, creakyness etc.?

it's a metal body?

The upper receiver is all metal, the rest of the body is plastic, as with the real steel. The metal feels nice and solid. I removed the upper and examined it quickly. Looks very solid from what I could tell. I didn't hear any creaks in the plastic and didn't notice apparent seam lines or anything. But only had it in hand for about 5 minutes, so couldn't really get much detail. I'll post more details when I get a chance to play with it more and examine it closer in better lighting.

Lucky guy, it looks really nice. I wouldn't mind expanding my collection to include something like this one day.

Jesus, didn't know you ordered one of these, or that they were available for order at all.

ahh the upper yes, as per RS specs lol, not a P90 man myself but a new addition to the arsenal is always very nice!

Coolness.

Metal upper P90 (hopefully) for cheap. Price?

When you open it up, keep your eyes open for signs of whoever made it for Echo1 please. I must say I'm intrigued to find out who makes this thing.

Unless my supplier feels like piping in with details (and he shouldn't in this public thread), I'll leave it at saying that it was significantly cheaper than a TM - along the lines of what you'd pay for a regular JG.

Let us know how it performs and I might consider buying one :)

yea i might have to get one of these sometime too. its probly a tm clone
did it come shooting pretty hot stock?

Not to be a dick, but perhaps reading some of my previous posts might clear up some questions...

And yes, 100% TM clone, only with a metal receiver.

he hasn't shot it yet, he went home for lunch and found it waiting for him and had to run back to work, he will test it later and let us know.

Yeah he's not that smart and apparently couldn't figure it out himself.

From the initial inspection and test fire:

The gun is shooting a bit hotter than 350. I fired off about 15 rounds through my chrony using .2s. The highest was 378 fps, and the lowest at 352, with most being in the 360-365 range. I expect that the spring will somewhat settle and bring it down to around its advertised 350 range once it sees more use. Rate of fire using the included 9.6V 1100 mAh NiMH battery was 13.8 rps.

The whole body is really solid except for a bit of creak in the front handle / grip / trigger guard (whatever it's called on the P90). I think that's easily remedied with a bit of expanding foam. Seam lines are nice and level, and without spaces between the halves of the shell. The plastic is nicely textured similar to the fibre reinforced nylon of CA, but it does feel more like ABS. It doesn't feel as sturdy as CA plastic, but easily as solid as anything from TM.

Accuracy seemed pretty decent using my EOTech 552 replica.

The only real issue with it so far is I find that when switching from auto to semi, the first shot in semi will often be a 2-round burst, followed by single shots. I'd say about 1/2 of the time, it will do this, whereas the other half, it will shoot semi fine. Going from safe to semi doesn't seem to do this and shoots in semi as it's supposed to.

I'll try to do a more thorough review of it when I get the chance, but overall I'm quite happy with it.

On the note of the builder - the battery included is the same battery that came wth my A&K M249, and the metal and paint look very similar to the finish on my M249. I'd say it's a good possibility that this gun could be built by A&K. No way of knowing for sure though. Maybe gearbox internals have some clue, but not about to get into that...

I'd love to get my hands on a P90...I hope to see some on the classified or retailer section, preferably around the time i got money for it too.

Now that is interesting! Will you be keeping this gun stock? I'm interested in how it performs stock long-term.

i just remembered what a pain in the ass everybody says p90 mags are and from what ive heard id agree they are too. which has been whats kept me from getting a p90. but i always forget that and feel like yea i think i should get a p90. so even though id like to get one i think the mags alone will keep me from ever owning one

p90 mags are fine to work with, strange to get used to at first. Go by experience over "what you heard"

The real pain in the ass is finding them in canada, since they come either fake bullet or hi-cap, and the hi caps are garbage.

Still an iPhone photo. Will have better ones and a review in a few days.


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Very nice man, congrats on your new toy.
As for others complaining about the mags, from my experience the hicaps are the only things to steer clear from. They jam all the time.

I have no plans to upgrade anything. The gun works fine as-is. I've added the EOTech which will be the only real external upgrade. The supressor looks cool, but that's just cosmetic.

Heard the same. It's the high cap mags that are a real pain, since you need to remove them to wind them up. These 68-round low caps work fine. They feed very well and with no leftover BBs in the mag or feed tube...

The gun comes with 2 low caps. In the field, I only carry low cap mags for my armalites, and usually never go through more than 5 or 6 mags in an entire game. I figure another 3 spare mags (total of 5) plus a speedloader will be adequate. The only real issue with P90 mags is their size and getting mag pouches for them.

Yeah, the good thing about P90 lowcaps is that they feed all the BB's. That's because even at the end of the mag where the spring wouldn't be able to push BB's up into an M4, they gravity feed in a P90.

Yes, gravity is good. Well, except on people when they get older... lol

You just made my day!

Now I got a GOOD reason to start saving a bit...

P90
+4 lowcaps
+lightweight vest
+Molle P90 pouches
+time on the sewing machine
+Tasco 30mm RDS

PERFECT CQB WEAPON!!!!


Sorry, I got a bit excited. It's been over 2 years I try to grab one... Now with metal upper... can't wait for you to bring these in!!

^ for who to bring these in?

One of my
 

First guns was a P90 in fact the P90 was responsible for introducing me to Airsoft guns in the first place.

the P90 was also one of the only guns I have sold off... I found that ergonomically it was a good gun in use.. but pouches for mags were a pain to get and a pain to wear.

Recently however I have found I have been thinking about the P90 again.. So I'm interested in the full review for future reference.

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P90 for the win.
It's a formidable weapon in close quarters. With the vest I have on, mags are not to bitchy to carry, but I'm still limited in space on my rig.

Yeah, I second that. I know I'm not bringing any guns in. Got this from someone else who imported it for me.

lol I was gonna say, crunch is joining the retailer rat race :D

:lol Not a chance. It would have to be a really, really sweet deal for me to do that. I like simple things. Plus I'm lazy. Those are 2 things that don't work with airsoft gun sales, and I wouldn't impose that on customers...

Suggestion for mags:
Drop leg panel + Molle pouches.

For everyone's information, the Echo1 P90 is, infact just as I suspected, made by JG and/or their cohorts.

Here are a few pics of the gun. I'll have more, better pics and a review in a few days.

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one day, I'll get two and dual wield.

http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.co...ealc-2p90s.jpg

(I know there's a bigger picture out there, just can't seem to find it)

lol Akimbo P90s... That's awesome.

Reloading might be a small problem

You won't need to reload, everyone will be dead:D

nah, I'll drop them and dual wield pistols. :P

oh and for pistol reload, we have that covered! :D

I started off my first season with a P90. And yes, the mags are the biggest and only problem I have with it.
a: they are a little awkward at first to load/unload especially with excessive gear on.
b: hi-caps get feed problems occasionally. (I haven't played too many games yet and only got noticeable feed problems that required attention in my last game)
c: the mags are big, really long. any sort of pouch on your waistline will have you drawing them to your shoulder to bring them out. I have a triple mag drop-leg pouch on the way, will report later as to how well it works out.

Otherwise:
17 rounds per second, bullpup, and being able to get as close to a corner as a pistol for firing in CQB?

eh heh heh
read up on the RS

thats a pretty sweet as gun reading above i relized its a marui clone nice gun still. i was exited to see an echo 1 i wanted to buy one my self still do. any way kudos on the new gun can't wait to hear more about it!

not sure why everyone give clones a bad rap, especially JG. JG has done nothing but improve on TM's designs. If they made no improvements, at least they are perfectly fine under stock conditions. I'd buy the JG model over a TM any day, I own a TM and I love it, but I'd happily buy the JG in favor of the metal receiver and the much lower price.

I see lots of guys laying down the hurt with china clones all the time. Heck, our own Savage Haggis sports a JG and whips ass on upgraded TM's and even PTW's.

Clones have the potential to corner the market, and if their quality continues as it has been, I think Everyone is going to have to step it up to compete with JG and the like..

I think a lot of what you say is really dumb.

But, your post does have a tiny bit of merit here... It's the player, not the gun.

But, give that player a better gun... ect ect

Clones won't corner the market. Who would they clone if they did?

Some clones are decent. Others are pieces of shit. The only thing really going for these clones is their price and availability, not much else. They don't improve the designs really -they just *fix* things n00bs want initially -example, higher out-of-box FPS. I've heard of tons of issues with fitting aftermarket bodies and things on most clones because they have very loose tolerances compared to TM or CA.

Also, the gun doesn't make the player. I've seen people using stock TM guns do perfectly fine against other people.

Bottom line is that the higher quality clones such as JG and Echo 1 (obviously, the P90 isn't a JG rebrand, since JG don't have one) are very decent quality. I wouldn't say their reliability and performance is across the board equal to that of a TM right out of the box. Some units will still can have reliability problems due to quality control. After all, this is Chinese manufacturing. While they're improving by leaps and bounds, they still haven't caught up to the Japanese manufacturers.

Now, where I will part ways a bit with Amos is that with a bit of preventative maintenance and minor upgrades, a good quality Chinese clone can easily outperform a stock TM and can be considered every bit as good as a similar high end gun in terms of performance. You can get a hell of a lot of bang for a lot less buck if you're not overly concerned with brand names. I've seen the performance of my lightly ugpraded JG guns against other brand name guns 2 or more times the price, and I wouldn't even think of trading them.

My almost stock JG HK416 was shooting more accurately and outranging a PTWs at a game last summer when we were shooting them at the range. It's seen about 10 000 rounds without a hiccup and no internal maintenance other than a reshimming and installation of a new ARL. The only performance affecting component that was replaced was the hopup rubber. My JG MP5 has seen 35 000+ rounds so far with a completely stock, never opened mechbox (complete with nylon bushings) and no maintenance (i'm trying to test the gun's longevity with stock internals). To me, that's a level of reliability that even few Systema owners say they've experienced.

But I do agree with Amos that the big part of the equation is the player. In anything, give a pro a useable tool, and he can use it effectively. Give him a premium tool, and he can use it better and even more effectively. I just don't see why someone couldn't consider a good quality, high performance Chinese model to be a premium gun.

I LOVE this gun.!!! the metal upper reciever ,and easy disassembly make it a really nice addition to anyones collection. :D
i have one and its really nice for CQB .

for some pictures of my TMp90 u can follow this link.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/quantis...7608788368268/

This is exactly what I was saying in my last post, sorry if it was taken differently everyone.

Well congrat's on the P90!
I was wondering when someone else other than TM was going to make an P90 for market. The metal receiver for the Echo1 is an nice change from that of the Tm version.
I had bought my TM P90 2 years ago for use on the old BC Ferry that is parked in Mission, B.C. and it was a great experience for the CQB enviroment. I did have issues with finding an setup for carrying the mags, but solved it with an drog leg rig that I still use today.
If you are planning some upgrades in future for the P90, I suggest looking into getting an Hop-twist barrel as I have tried out a tight bore and was not happy with the resaults. The setup of the Hop-Twist barrel at 360 fps works wonders for dead straight shots!
I do have an question for you, Have you tried the Echo1 mags on an TM P90?
Reason I'm asking as I have seen size issues with JG and Echo before on the M4/16 series.
Hope you enjoy your P90!
cheers

I have no experience with these guns, but I'd like to hope that the 100% Marui clone holds true to the magazines as it usually does. However, there are multiple cases like you said, where certain brands of mags don't fit into other guns (or they require modification). Case and point, JLS guns (i.e. SCAR) and I believe SRC replicas had a bit of a problem at the beginning. I've heard that brands like JG and Echo1 (considering they're almost the same thing) have been getting better at the mag compatibility issues.
My guess is that there won't be any problems at all.

Nice gun btw! Looks like a pretty solid piece, for the time being. Hopefully it will hold up and surpass expectations.

well guys I got my drop leg P90 mag pouch in today, in trying it on and fitting mags all seems well, but I have yet to try it out in combat.

Is of this style:
http://www.thevestguy.com/images/CADPATP90TripleMag.JPG

Yup that's about it, say nice rig,mind if I ask where you got that drog leg from?

I agree with ya Anthology, as you said not all Clones have that issue of size, but interested if Echo1 do fit Ok as I could always use more P90's mags!. Trouble is, just trying to figure out where the hell to carry them with ,lol....my other drog leg is full!!!
Cheers