Tracer information thread
 

Greets,

I think it's time I put all my tracer info in one thread...

Feel free to add products I missed!

Product pages not linked to a specific retailer would be appreciated!

Tracer units
TM silencer - old version
TM silencer - new version
AMP Silencer
SRC Silencer
G&P AR-15 illuminated mag (130 rounds)
G&P AK illuminated mag (130 rounds - Black)
G&P AK illuminated mag (130 rounds - OD)

Tracer BBs
0.12g - Airsplat (unknown brand)
0.2g - Tokyo Marui
0.2g - Excel (green)
0.2g - Excel (orange)
0.2g - Airsplat (unknown brand)
0.2g - Madbull
0.2g - SIIS (link needed)
0.2g - G&G
0.2g - Digicon/Straight
0.25 - Ebaybanned (unknown brand)
0.25g - SIIS
0.25g - Madbull

Media
TM silencer (unknown version) vs G&P mag


Show me what I missed!

With that tokyo marui silencer in the video, can you see the light from the shooters point of view? That would be pretty fun in night games with "muzzle flash"!

i bought these from evike they're pretty good. Seamless and brighter than the straight brand.

http://www.airsoftpost.com/5000-matr...9-p-23823.html

Shipping is a bitch though. 3 bags of 5000 for 60US plus 40 for shipping. still it's about half the cost of most brands.

shitty their on for 19 dollors right now on evike

wow cool thread there Surebet.
I heard about another brand IIRC one time.. Don't remember tho. If I find it i'll post it.

Flankertanker Made a review on youtube of the TM first GEN of the Tracer Unit.

Found the videos:

YouTube - Tokyo Marui - Tracer Unit Part 1 of 2

YouTube - Tokyo Marui - Tracer Unit Part 2 of 2

I happened to come across this thread and since I'm in the process of gathering all the types of tracers (.20g and up, i.e. excluding the .12g tracers) for a big comparison, I thought I'd register on the forums to add a bit of information to the list.

Just a minor correction, but the link before the .20g Digicon/Straight goes to a .25g tracer. Most of the links I have are links to retailers. A link for .20g Straight/Digicon tracers is http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct...sp?prodid=2366 and the .25g Digicon/Straight http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct...sp?prodid=2365. Another minor change/addition would be to indicate that there are two types of .20g tracers from SIIS, a regular (http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...2G_srch_tracer) and a high brightness (http://www.cobraairsoft.com/product_...oducts_id=2357). There apparently is a high brightness version of .17g tracers from SIIS also at http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=1716.

Anyway, onto the additions to the list...
.20g - Matrix/Evike (the one listed by chaosnemesis a few posts back)
.20g - Vanaras (http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target...roduct_id=2736)
.20g - GoldenBall (http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1701)
.20g - TSD (http://www.airsoftsd.com/proddetail.php?prod=BBG20X1M)
.12g - Matrix/Evike (if you're adding .12g tracers to the list too, http://www.airsoftpost.com/airsoft-5...e-p-24113.html)
.12g - Crosman (oddly enough, they don't list the 2000-round bottle on their site but do have a 1000-round bottle listed in a package http://www.crosman.com/airsoft/ammo/SAP4KAP)
.12g - ACM at RSOV (http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target...roduct_id=2819)
.12g - HFC (no direct link, but it's on the page http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/ammo.htm)

Also, maybe not quite related, but there are custom MP5, M4/M16, and AK tracer mags at http://www.mag-man.co.uk/Default.aspx.

Note:
There are two versions of Tokyo Marui 0.20g Tracer BBs - old version and new version.

The differences I've noticed between the two are:

Old version: has a fairly uniform glow around the entire BB, with a subtle dark spot in the area(s) furthest away from the light source.
New version: Has a very focused glow area, located closest to the light source, however, these glowing areas are brighter than what the old version BBs are able to achieve.

Note:

Turn off your Marui Tracer unit when not in use. It will eat through 4 x AAA's literally over night. Brand new Duracell's to boot! There is no standby mode on it as the sensor is always running and seems to draw a lot of power.

for the price of these im surprised nobody is makin them hmmm think i found a new project!

If you can make something as reliable as Marui's, please do. There have been attempts in the past, but none that I've seen were as reliable.

I once hooked up about 30 super bright UV LED's to a 9.6V battery pack inside a plastic tube (I hadn't mounted a threaded bit on it yet...)

Well turns out the epoxy I used conducts electricity and it shorted out and melted the plastic tube. I guess when you use "STEEL Epoxy" you should test if it conducts electricity first...

nice. good to know for future reference. :p

0.25 and lighter....
 

....And maybe, if I'm really lucky, someone will pick up the project of developing incandescent (tracer) BBs in heavier weights than those available.

Sniping at long range at night could really benefit form this...
...and it'd look so cool. LOL.

SHA DO

We'd need glowing IR BB that can only be seen trough our IR sniper scope.

Heheh

Sniping with tracers.... fun but not very survivable.

I'm debating between SRC and TM ver2 tracer units.

Any comments or recommendations between the two?

Jugglez showed me the other day that Mad Bull is developing a silencer type tracer unit with bright muzzle flash. (unlike the TM ver2 where they tried to suppress it)

It's just a prototype but it will look cool even if the muzzle flash could potentially give your position away. More realistic I guess.

Also posted here: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=83345


YouTube - MADBULL Airsoft Revolutionary Tracer Silencer Tube Prototype-1

YouTube - MADBULL Airsoft Revolutionary Tracer Silencer Tube Prototype-2

Brand spanking new, but your list is missing the Bioval BBBfluo
Biodegradable tracer rounds. Keeping with the high quality and performance characteristics of all Bioval BBB's these new Bio tracer rounds, are the real deal, with excellent light absorption, and long lasting glowing effect.
See our link: www.mach1airsoft.com

Less than 2 weeks and counting before we have them in stock. Available in huge 1kg, 5,000 rd bags.

Sorry for the shameless plug..:D OH.. and the TM silencer units (new version) will be in shortly..

not available in .25's?

Sadly not now, but never say never. Lot's of great product offerings are coming soon from Bioval.

+1 on the IR BB's lol
I put a tracer unit on my 249, LED's in the box mag, super easy to do and it rocks lol

My TM version 2 tracer unit works great. I also have the mag unit too but i think some moisture got to the mag and the led will not always work..popped her open and cleaned up all the contact points and where the led sits and it was working again but eventually it happened again...might need to solder the led in real good and increase conductivity. Could be a few things though..as for a comparison, the Tm illuminates much nicer because if you are not shooting full auto the mag led does not charge the rounds up in the gun so the charge on those bbs wears off. So through my experiences I would say go for a TM if you are having a hard time deciding on the two

For everyone's information, I have TM version 2 tracer units in stock and will soon have bags of 0.25 tracer rounds in stock.

This is sort of necro-quoting but if some manufacturing type out there can manage/source the "threaded suppressor" part (i.e. the hollow shell) I can no problem produce efficient and reliable LED-based tracer guts for it.

Could be yet another Canada-made Airsoft accessory. I have half the solution (the guts), just need the outside shell. I don't "do" plastics/metal manufacturing (yet) 8)

Don,

How about mocking it up to retro-fit a commonly available suppressor? (i.e. one of the Madbull ones Jugglez sells)

Tys

That's not a bad idea!

Be really nice if you can put it in a Gemtec G-5 that they carry. A buddy just put our TM Ver.2 's into the Gemtec Halo cans, and are they sweet.They fit over almost any flash hider out there now.

How much do you think your tracer unit by itself will be (ball park), PM me please.

JG's new Tracer Unit.

TM Clone.

http://www.ebairsoft.com/fullauto-fl...25-p-2324.html

That JG Tracer unit is only $37.50 USD. What's the scoop on "silencers" and customs? I would order one of those if I knew customs would let it through. Also, how do I find out shipping from Ebairsoft as there is nowhere in the checkout process to select method of shipping?

I also found it on RSOV for $32.84 USD and shipping is only $6.00 HERE

EBairsoft, also called ebaybanned aisoft has free shipping, anywhere in the world built into their prices.

Suppressors(silencers) are restricted to import though.

Thanks for the info, but I read a few threads here and a few regulars said that they have ordered silencers with no probs, most times they get through customs without a hitch. Additionally, since this has no trades on it and it is called a "Fluorescent BB Tracer", I am hoping it gets through as an "Illumination Device" vice a "silencer"...I ordered one...here's crossing fingers.

Good luck, That does sound like it might slip, did you order from ebairsoft? Their shipping can sometimes take 3 or 4 weeks

Ive read in regards to homemade tracer solutions, that UV LED's charge the tracer bb's most effectively.
However,does anyone know if it would work if i mounted a Fenix 120 lumen Cree LED light in a SAW boxmag?

it would work so-so and only if you shoot full auto non-stop because bb's would loose their charge as they are going through the feed lines....

i built a homemade tracer-hicap inside a kracken hicap, and in semi i does not work... i have to do long auto burst for it to actually work... but it works very well! i use 2x.5w 5mm leds positionned about 3/8 - 1/2 " down the feed tube

Don, what are you using for a sensor? I want to make a shorty suppressor for a TM mk23. (yes I know it's a 16mm) I got the LED's but have yet to source out what type of sensor to use. I might put the power supply in a LAM unit to keep it from being too front heavy while also maintaining a lower profile suppressor.

http://unconventional-airsoft.com/20...e-measurement/

look at the diagram... ;)

I ordered from R.S.O.V.


If you want UV LED's, you can get 100 for $8 HERE or I got 20 for $2.93 HERE.

I'm sure most on the forum know, but our Bioval BBBFLUO Tracers are in.
www.mach1airsoft.com

Have you considered just having the LEDs on all the time, or lit manually?
With the power supply in the LAM just use the LAM's switch (momentary on or toggle on/off, tac-light style) to turn the UV LEDs in your suppressor on or off.

That way you can choose when your tracer is on or off. It's not power efficient like having a BB sensor would be but if that doesn't bother you you might want to try that.

Do you think to let the tracer unit on all night might burn/damage the compartment inside? (i.e. the sensor or the light)

no because the tracer only emit lights when a bbs is detected in the optointerrupter, basically the flash charging circuit will eat the batteries

Thanks Lemegacool :)

I've read through this post again since it's been a while...

I'm going to try and arrange a fun end of summer CQB blow out event here in Toronto...and if I can swing it, I'd like to get a tracer only skirmish (or three) going.

Not a lot of guys have them...including myself. Cool as stink, but you usually end up with a lot of return fire on your position when you use one....LOL

So...are there any hands-on user updates on the TM Ver2 vs. others? Event though the event is two months off, I'm probably not going to have the time to make my own suppressor version.

DonP...now's the time to roll out a dozen+ production versions!!! Slip fit onto a M4A1 barrel...I need help with the optiointerrupter thingy!!!

Thanks,

Tys

Tys, you could see if any of the vendors are willing to bring in a bunch of the JG knock offs.

Have you tried that model out yet? Saving money is one thing buy buying crap is just a kick in the nuts.

There's about 6 or so TM Ver2 for sale by the retailers at the moment...ranging from $135-160. They've got a good rep...but my gut tells me there's a lower cost alternative. I'd get one...but pretty much just for this event, can't see using it regularly. If I can get 3-4, that work well, for the same price, I don't mind giving them out as prizes even.

Tys

cheaper...

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/gandp-130...16-series.html

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/g-p-magaz...inated-bk.html

They're also not very good :(

All the BB's that are in the hop-up and tube and all that don't stay illuminated.

JG tracer? I will have some coming in Aug shipment.

Yeah...do not want a magazine based tracer. We shoot real cap and 30 rnds go pretty quick.

Is it wrong to want the air in a blacked out warehouse completely filled with tracers blazing back and forth, ricochetting, flying everywhere....just for a little bit?!?

not wrong at all. a little light show would be fun. (plus the ouchies coming from distance in the dark are amusing!)

awesome!

Just got back from Europe yesterday and it was waiting for me in a nice little package marked "Flash Light" not opened and resealed even by customs.

Sorry for necro..

Anyone got info on Bio Tracers? So far I've only came up with Bioval's FLUO bbs and Excel..

Are tracers even considered "bio"?

Haven't come across bio tracers before. Primarily run madbulls but will be using whatever tracer BB Bastards I can get my hands on this year.

Funny that I'd never come across this thread previously when this thread first appeared.

Just an added note that there are actually three different Tokyo Marui tracer versions. There was a first gen that I came across one time available for sale off of ebay... probably about 13 or so years ago. The second gen is from way back in the late '90s/early 2000s and I think that the 3rd gen is about 5 yrs old or so?

Also, weren't the Marui tracer BBs .25g or .28g? Now I'm going to have to go down to my basement and check the box that I still have lying around...

We have styrene tracers in stock on the web store right now, and just got our first shipment of the M125 Gen II tracers today for inspection and review.

BIO TRACERS can happen but are prohibitively expensive to manufacture. There just isn't a market for them yet.

There's at least one game in the Ontario section of this forum right now which is a "night game" (that is, at least half the game will be in dusk or the dark) but at a field that has decided to mandate bio BBs. You gotta wonder how that's gonna happen.

I think most if not all Ladytresses's games have Bio requirements, probably since he finds all these new "untapped" resources (non dedicated fields)..
But yea, that game + new M249 + possible tracer mod is why I nercoed this thread. :)

Blackthorne, your site is the first I checked.
In terms of manufacturing, isnt it just sprinkling some phosphorous into the "bb plastic mix"? :)

Still wish the Bastard Tracer was released.

Patience is a virtue

So is reading. :rolleyes:

I can't go into to much detail but I an say that the glow substance is actually in the mix. It's not a surface application. Injection molding is a very precise process, involving temperature, viscosity, flow rates, cooling time, material blah blah blah. Introducing a new ingredient into that process is easy. Doing proper R&D to make sure it' doesn't manifest in weirdness is allot of work and can't be taken lightly from a business perspective.

Every time we have been asked to tweak the recipe, we have had to think about things like if it will shatter, under what load, material distribution issues, mold residue issues etc.

We are working on a full line of ECO products, but PLA is a finicky material to work with at the best of times :D

Yet he who hesitates, is lost! :D

I agree..


With that said, just a heads up that we are finally fully stocked on .20 Bio Tracers, and in time for the outdoor season, the long awaited .25 Bio tracers.

Standard .20 and .25 Bio are also back in stock.

Pricing has also been drastically improved to reflect the major tonnage of bb's we've imported. We've passed the savings on to you.

No compromise in quality and a major improvement in price. Our G&G tracer units with built in battery and charger are also back in stock.

Excellent, do you have it in store? Driving by is easier and cheaper than shipping..

ViR.... thats MAch1 Airsoft ^^

Of course we do!