ICS M4 SIR internals what to buy help (formally "G&G or JG")
 

Ok, first off, I would like to say that I myself would not be buying the weapon. My parents would be buying it for me. Now, befor you all go crazy and say "We don't support this and never will", just hold on a second and read on.

Once they recieve the weapon, I pay them back the money, and they keep the weapon locked away in the gun safe. Me and my father would work on it. The only time I would be in contact with the weapon is when working on it, and when test firing it. It would not be classified as my gun until I reached the age of 18 and had my licence.

The whole project would be under close supervision of my parents at all times, and no illegal actions would take place while I had the weapon. This project is strictly so when I turn 18 I will be abled to game the weapon ASAP so I will not have to wait an other year to play airsoft.

Next on the list of before I start is this is not a "What gun is the best" thread. This is a "What is a better upgrade platform weapon" thread. Also, I know that this topic should be in the "Guns descution" forum, but I feel its best off here for my own safety.


Now onto my main topic. Right now, I am having trouble deciding weather I should invest in a JG or a G&G airsoft gun. My plan is to have my parents buy the weapon when I am 16, and for two years, I upgrade it and customize it to become something like a C7A2.

The base weapon I was thinking of would be either the JG M4A1 from Buyairsoft.ca. (I know, I know...). Or the G&G M16 carbine from Buyairsoft.ca. (Once again, I know...)

Now before the comments start comming saying "if you're not 18, than no gun" and usually followed by "+1" posts start comming. I want to say that I will NEVER game the weapon before I turn 18.

Anyhow, moving on.

I was wondering what would be best to make into a C7. The M16 or the M4? The M4 has the same basic internals and externals as the M16, but I would have to buy a whole new barrel and front half of the gun. I would also have to get some new internals. The M16 on the other hand has the rough length of the C7's inner barrel. I would only have to upgrade it to look like the C7, and also mabey install a new hop-up, gear box, inner barrel and/or a new flash hider. I would also have to buy a new stock.

The only other questionability would be that of the quality of the externals. The M16 has mostly fiberglass externals while the JG M4 has plastic externals. This may be a no-brainer to go for the G&G, but is the JG better to go with simply because it may be easer to install a metal body? Or would it be best to stay with the M16's fiberglass body because its lightweight. The only con to this is that it may shatter like glass if smashed right.

What do you recommend? Any other ideas on what base gun to use? Is it worth the money?

Thanks in advance.

CHEERS!

If I'm not mistaken there is already a C8 version available on 007airsoft, in my opionion that would be a great place to start as the mags are the sam e as the c7. It also has a full length stock (large battery). All you would have to add is the OD furnature on the handguard.

In fact I think there is a review on that gun too.

Heh i made a post just like this but it was comparing the JG m4a1 and The G&G m4a1. Anyways. It goes like this. The G&G will probably be a better buy. Its constructed of Nylon/Composite which is stronger. The G&G however does not have the Working charging handle like the JG. The G&G is of darker plastic. The G&G uses a 9.6 V battery so the RPM will be better. IF you want a more Light weight assault rifle go for the JG. For my i would recommend the JG only because i know more about it and the JG internals are supposedly better, but because your going to upgrade go for the G&G. I hope this sums most of what u want to know.

Great way to tell 2 different brand AEGs when you haven't owned one yet, or experienced to open one up, or even to touch one... lol


Also, there is no need to buy a metal body if you are going not going to game it like you have said. You will not be able to buy a metal body, until you are Age Verified. Metal Bodies will not make it over the border.

Actually, I believe there are metal bodys on shootsoft.ca. But I have read some really bad stuff about them conserning shipping. I probably will not buy a metal body until I am 18 and have access to the buy and sell section. Simply because its easier and there are plenty of trustworthy people here.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I will keep up my reserch on both the guns.

And notom66866, I will look up the C8 on 007 airsoft.

CHEERS!

C8 on 007 Airsoft? AFAIK, Ken doesn't sell anything other than the Cansoft guns anymore.

If you can't have the money to spend a 300$ gun, you think you are actually going to spend 300$ on metal body? Why?
Why not buy a quality gun like a CA where it's full metal, any you save yourself some money. Your parents are actually going to spend 600$ + shipping for you to buy an airsoft gun and a body that costs the same as another gun? PLUS, the amount of money for internal upgrades and all?
You must be one lucky kid.

Yea seriously. Just get your dad to join the forum and get AV'd and get a CA or G&P or something worth spending that kind of money on.

I actually pay them in advance plus a little extra, than they pay off the credit card with that money after they purchace the gun. I work very hard to make the money, so at $7.00 an hour, I figure its worth it. Although student pay is at something like $8.40 now I believe, Im not afraid to work extra time for the gun.

As for the metal body, I will be paying for it when I am 18. My parents have nothing to worry about there.

Im just trying to do this the way that allows me to play as soon as I turn 18, and the way that allows me to upgrade my gun to my needs. And also the way that doesn't end in me "breaking every rule in the book." I know there is no real book, but there is what ASC frowns at. Just tell me when Im going about something the wrong way and I will try my best to right that wrong.

EDIT: As for kalnaren's idea, I've tryed that, and my dad said no. He said I have to do this the honest way BUT he will get the gun for a father son project. Seeing how this is our first one, I think this will make for a great project for us to both enjoy.

How about you just keep saving money until you're 18, then you'll have a lot more money to spend on a better gun (and gear)?

Save your money and get a really good kit when you turn 18? Just a thought.

That's against AV rules. If his father were to be an active player, then fine. If it's simply to buy his kid a gun, he can't be AVed

Really? Didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

I dont realy want a "really good gun". I want something to upgrade. If I couldn't upgrade the gun, then there is no father son project.

I also have almost all of my gear already. I have my CADPAT BDU's, by knee pads, my helmet, my tac. vest, and my extra pouches. I also have my ghillie suit in the works. Everything I have, I have used my own money to buy it with. Ever since I was old enough to get a summer job I have paid for my own clothes, shoes and school suplies. This is probably the biggest reason that my parents are doing this for me.

i have shot the G&g guns from 007 airsoft , they are well bult and very sturdy , if your looking for a weapon to remake a c7 ( are you going c7a1 or a2 by the way ) i would go with the g&g . jg are ok but for the price difference go with the better built gun

He obviously wants to spend time with his father working on the gun. Get the G&G and work on it until its something you'll want to field. Besides it may even get his dad interested in airsoft was well.

Im going with the C7A2.

You seem like a nice kid. Almost like me when I was your age. A hard working, straight talker (you don't seem, "wishy washy" at all) and you're really open about your intentions.

A really GOOD upgrade platform would be the Kraken AK-47 since it's cheap and you can put a lot of work into it to get it upgraded and whatnot (it's actually a really sweet upgrade platform IMO).

If you are really intent on getting an AR-15, may I suggest getting the M4 and going the C8 route?

Also, a "better" father son project might be making a cedar strip canoe (I did that with my family).

The kraken is not bad my friend has the Tactical one on buyairsoft it had a great feel to it if you like the Kalishkinov series. Heh me and my dad made a canoe together as well. First time we used it it didnt go well let me tell you that :)

I know of the Kraken AK47 and of its great upgrade level but I don't think that a AK would go with a Canadian loadout.

So far I have the basic information I need. I just need a bit more.

Is the stock on the M16 removeable?

I know that the charging handle is unmoveable, but is it possible for me and my dad to make it work? Are there any parts that can help do this?

EDIT: I just found this other Canadian based sight Mach1 airsoft. Anyone dealed with them befor? Anyone like them? They have I believe the same gun there for $385.00- http://www.mach1airsoft.com/web/cata...om&id=24&cat=3Located there.

I just checked and the one on Buyairsoft is no longer in the catalogue.
What do you guys think?

CHEERS!

The M16 stock is removable.

You think 007 is expensive?

Wait till you see what the real deal for airsoft is, and then the parts.

Well, at the minute its expencive to me because I just spent two thousand dollars to pay for my part of my braces. Im sure that when Im abled to get a job other than working for my dad and corn detastling I will be abled to afford it. I still have schooling to worry about. University and all that.

The guns at 007 arn't that expencive, but they are out of my price range.

It's either you can buy or not. Save up, you are in no rush to buy it.
That's another reason why airsoft is 18+, you are responsible for the money you put out.

I ment at the minute, not in a year. In a year I will have enough for it, no problems. I just want to know if anyone has delt with them before. After reading through there FAQ's and seeing that some people have gotten stuff from there before, Im starting to say yes. I have a year to research them and other places, I just want to get into it now so im not mad at myself if I get it.

Man. You're a pretty hardcore kid. I never had to pay for braces, well probably cause I didn't need them. I never had to pay for my glasses at least (free lenses, 50% off frames from my health plan). I'm also partly on my parents dime for university (they slightly subsidize my education).

What you should really looking at is paying for school, trust me it's not cheap at all. I'm barely making ends meet as it is ($500 for books, $1000 for housing, $1000 for food plan, and $2500 for tuition yep a good $5000 in the first month of this semester and that's not counting things like beer and other incidentals), and I'm being subsidized by my parents. Plus I just pissed away my paycheque to pay for some "incidentals".

Financial security first then airsoft.

Well, I know ths is a dead thread, but I would rather not make a new one.

I have done some more research on this subject and I have a basic buying list.

-Canada C7 Magazine-$45.00 eack from Mach1Airsoft
-Butt Rubber-$15.00 from Mach1Airsoft
-G&P M4/M16 metal accessories set-$35.00 from Airsoftparts.ca
-G&P M4/M16 Ejector port cover-$3.00 from Airsoftparts.ca

I am going with G&G for sure now, but now I am torn between 2 guns. One from Mach1Airsoft, and one from 007Airsoft.

I could get the G&G CAS VERSION: GR16 A4 BEGINNER PACKAGE from Mach1Airsoft, or I could get the G&G GR16 A3 from 007Airsoft.

I believe they both have a fixed stock. The only differance is the price, the quality of the externals, and the lower reciever. The lower reciever of the A3 is a replica Canadian C8 lower reciever, while the A4 is just a normal G&G lower reciever.

I may go for the G&G GR16 A3 but the only problem is that it is a fixed stock. If this is so, how can I make a close replica of the C7A2? Would I have to buy a new lower reciever that is compatible with a new butt stock? If this is so, I will end up going with the G&G CAS VERSION: GR16 A4 BEGINNER PACKAGE. If im saving $80.00 that will have to go twords a new lower reciever, than I will go with the G&G CAS VERSION: GR16 A4 BEGINNER PACKAGE. If the G&G GR16 A3 does have a removeable stock, than I will buy that. Does anyody have any information about this?

Here is the link to the G&G GR16 A3- http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/aeg-gg-m16.htm

Here is a link to the G&G CAS VERSION: GR16 A4 BEGINNER PACKAGE- http://www.mach1airsoft.com/web/cata...m&id=199&cat=3

Thanks in advance.

CHEERS!

EDIT: What does fixed stock mean. Sorta a really nooby question, but I have my own idea of what it means, I just need the real meaning.

Metal lowers go for about 200 at least....

Why would you need a new stock? The C7 and M16 seem to have the same kind of stock. (This is from reference pictures).

Fixed stock is just that, a Fixed stock, you can't move it or anything like that. As opposed to folding or crane stock, (folding and adjustable respectively).

You are only upgrading the externals of the gun....I thought you were gonna upgrade the internals....wich will cost you alot more :D

Because the C7A2s have a collapsible stock, while the one he is looking at (at least the GR16 A3) has a full stock, and he's trying to do a C7A2 replica.

Im trying to do a C7A2. The stock it differant.

I may just have to do the C8. Well, time to start looking for an M4.

Stocks are interchangeable. Some might require a little mod, and a different buffer tube. Also, if you buy a fullstock, but get a C7A2 style collapsible stock, you'll need to rewire the gun from rear to front. But if you and your father are doing this as a project, that just adds another few things to do.

the choice between 007 and mach1 all really depends on where you live, which is closer? I beleive the prices for 007 already include taxes, where mach 1 does not, so they turn out to be the same priced gun more or less

Well, I may have to deflect from the C7, C7A2 and C8 all togeather. I have found something I like. It may not be the greatest for a canadian loadout, but I have almost always wanted one of these. Its the ICS M4 S.I.R. from Mach1Airsoft. It looks OK, I just need some more information on it. The FPS looks good, and I like the upper reciever. I will weight until im AV'ed for the lower reciever.

Heres the link to it- http://www.mach1airsoft.com/web/cata...m&id=189&cat=1

Also, what battery/charger would you reccomend. I was thinking of something around a 9.7v battery. Is that too much or could I use a even better battery? Also, what mah level should I aim for? 1500mah? 2000mah? 3600mah?

Thanks to everyone sofar with the help. I am really glad to see so many people willing to help out.

CHEERS!

Well to awnser your question for your charger this one is the best bang for your buck:http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...oducts_id=1030

And for a Battery that ics gun is a front wired gearbox witch means you dont have room for a large type battery only mini nunchuck of the sort usually the biggest for that application will be around 2000mah at 9.6v Here is an example:http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...roducts_id=503

Or this one (the cells are larger witch means your amperage output is bigger and better to handle loads) :http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...oducts_id=1179

Hope my info helped

Ok, I have my almost finished buying list (gear, AEG and externals. Will be looking for internals later)

GEAR:
-Eye protection
-combat fingerless gloves
-CADPAT or Frontenac BDU set
-CF issue Tac. Vest
-CP gear mag wedge x2
-CP gear name tape
-PASGT helmet will custome helmet cover and scrim netting
-German issue Flectarn Ghillie suit (BDUs used for ghillie)
-CF styled ghillie suit (no BDU's attached)
-Winter ghillie suit
-hydration pack

AEG+EXTERNALS:
-ICS M4 SIR
-VSR-10 marui clone modded to look like C3A1
-VSR-10 marui clone 30 round mags x3
-4-12x40 scope
-ACOG scope
-C7 mags x8 (gun comes with 1)
-Front flip-up sight
-adjustable fore grip
-Adjustable 3-point sling
-9.6v 2000 mah battery x2
-wall charger

Places I will be buying from are:

007 airsoft
Buyairsoft.ca
Mach1 airsoft
airsoftparts.ca
Capital Airsoft

Thats almost everything. I will be looking into internals for another while before I have my buying list. I have 3 jobs planed this summer so hopefully I will have the money I need for the AEG (around $750.00 without internals) by sometime in June 2010.

CHEERS!

Scrap the sniper rifle, get yourself a good battery charger, and an additional battery or two.

I already have the VSR-10. I have had it for almost a year now. It was my first airsoft gun, but a dumb idea to buy a sniper rifle.

Ah, well in that case, just add a good charger to your list.

You may wish to consider looking into a sling as well.

Oh yes! I forgot about the 3-point sling!

Thanks TokyoSeven

If the vest does not already include a bladder, you may also want to look into sourcing something for carrying water in.
Also, I didnt see them listed since you may already have them, but just incase do not forget to get some good quality eye protection.

Good quality eye protection in airsoft is like using condoms when you have a sex with a prostitute, you just need them on all the time.

PS. Dont forget gloves, to add to that list if you dont have them already.

and really good boots. buy great foot wear your feet, knees and back will thank you.

Sorry to hi-jack the thread for a moment here, but looking over at the 007airsoft site pretty much all the metal body guns state they are not for civilian purchase.

I'm in the process of getting AVed, going to probably be another week or so from when I talked to the person I met with - plus well, I'm not a civilian.

Any help?

Um.... what is it exactly you need help with?

Sorry, thought that last bit sounded kind of stupid but hit post anyways.

Just wanted to know if its possible to buy the "Not For Civilian" guns off 007airsoft somehow, since I'm not a civilian.

Wait until you get AV'd, then you'll have access to the classifieds.

Can do!

I think you better wait to be age verified and save more money. You would probably get a systema and some good brand new gears

For someone who is 14 I really think you're going out of your way to sink a lot of money into airsoft that you can't use. 4 years is a really long time... I would suggest woodsball instead. During that time you'll probably grow out of your BDU's also. If you don't play I think it'll all be a waste.

My BDU's are Extra large, and paintball doesn't interest me at all. I tried it a few times, and it wasn't that great.

I can use the airsoft gun (target practice) and I won't have it until im 16. I have 50% of my gear right now. Besides, as I stated in my first post, its going to be a father-son project lasting 2 years.

Also, I have connections for the gear (Army Issue Surplus), and I have plenty of money I have been saving for a while. I do once and a while play paintball with a friend, but other than that, I dont like it all too much.

Sorry for the double post everyone, but I have 2 questions that could use an answer.

#1, would anybody be against playing with a 17 year-old Canadian Forces Reserves member? Since Im joining, I just wish to know for future referance.

#2, what internals would you all recommend? I have no clue what to do for the internals. What is good and what is junk in the ICS M4 SIR?

Thanks in advance.

CHEERS!

I just want to add in a comment here.. I seen for optics you chose todo a ACOG? I just briefly skimmed through this thread but if your still planning on a CF loadout, You'd be better off finding a ELCAN.

Nahh, the ELCAN doesn't look that great on the M4 SIR (photoshoped it, looks worse than the ACOG). Also, I prefer the ACOG over the ELCAN anyhow.

if that 17yr old CF Reserves member is you then yes I would be against it, the rules for most games state 18+ only, not
"18+ only or 17yr old CF Reserve members"

Most games are 18 only. And no offence to CF members, but I know a few of 17 year old army reserve guys, and I wouldn't want to play airsoft with any of them. The army reserve seems to attract 17 year old douchebags.
Is it a halfbreed ICS or a full metal one? The full metal ICS guns are great. I've heard their halfbreeds leave something to be desired.

Your just getting into Airsoft, yet you're buying TWO guns, and multiple sets of gear? PLUS you have 4 years to go... I see something wrong. Working for your money is great, but you should learn some control with your spending if your going to spend ALL your money the second you have enough... especially when you can't even use it yet.

EDIT: Being in or going to be in CF still does not change your age.

If I were you, I would wait before buying anything. Save your money, and once you actually have some experience playing on the field, then start spending. The experience you garner from the first time you play will act as a guide to assist you in making intelligent purchases. The same can be true for any purchase you make, really.

You're excited about it, great. I was excited too when I found it three years ago and was only fifteen. I don't think it would've made a difference had I purchase a bunch of equipment four years ago and steeled myself in preparation for my first game as opposed to going there in some civvies and renting some equipment, which is what I did (thanks again to SIR).

Just advice from a newbie who had a similar sort of situation going on.

Read the thread!

Its going to be a father-son project, thats the last time I say that!

And, yes, the person who will be 17 who is joining the CFR IS me.

EDIT: actually, almost 3 years away now...

Gear is not a father son project. Are you going to attach Molle pouches together?

Gear is going to be later on. I just have a rough out-line.

Also, I have it under good account im NOT a douchbag. (im not too cocky, and I have to be the safest person with guns in my school. Yea, thats right, im VERY safe with them, and NEVER point them at anything unless i intend to shoot it. The only acception to that is pointing the gun at the ground while im carring it, and I have my finger far from the trigger)

hahaha... though honestly last time I was using malace clips a third hand would have been helpful.

Just sounds like a waste to me. Don't want to mean, but what's the point?

EDIT: Haha, they can be hard sometimes.

since when do they allow guns in school? lol

*facepalm*

back at ya mate

do you know every single person in your school?

have you seen every single person in your school handle firearms?

state your facts good sir how are you the best?

Haha, owned.

#1-Yes, I do.

#2-very few people know how to use a weapon at my school (less than 300 kids, and its a highschool!)

first off firearm not weapon

you know every single person in your school on a personal friendly level?

as for number 2 how do you know this? have you seen each person handle a firearm?

My town is a hunting community, and trust me, I have hunted with most likely everyone in my school who hunts, thats more than 75% of the guys at my school. Most of the girls don't hunt (there goes 55% of the school) and there are a few who don't agree with hunting. But, If you eat what you kill, and waist nothing, its allright.

So yes, I have seen everyone who knows how to use a gun fire a firearm (if not everyone, 99% of them)

Well, I guess im back to my second question:

What internals would you all recommend? I have no clue what to do for the internals. What is good and what is junk in the ICS M4 SIR?

As far as I know, its full metal except the lower reciever witch I believe is a high quality clear/smoked plastic.

Heres a link to the one me and my dad intend to buy.

Link: http://www.mach1airsoft.com/web/cata...m&id=189&cat=1

I also think I found my hand gun, but that will be when im 18 and AV'ed.

Link:http://www.mach1airsoft.com/web/cata...m&id=205&cat=8

Thanks in advance.

CHEERS!

So this "project" will consist of a Rifle, and a Pistol. Sounds like backyard wars to me.

Read!!!

I said when im AV'ed. I will be 18 and abled to play on a field, hopefully.

Yes, i read the whole thread. But why buy a pistol if you have to wait 3 years to use it? Same with the rifle, theirs no point, make it a father son project when your 17 1/2, not 15. Maybe try an airplane for now?

Seriously, there's no real point. I'd save up the doh. There's going to be plently better on the market when your 18, and for cheaper too. I built an R/C ferrari enzo when I was your age. That was a blast. Maybee you should consider something similar.

My point exactly. Once your 18, you'll hate your gun, you'll sell it and get the latest and greatest. Don't waste your money right now, and think hard before you spend your hard earned money.

#1, I build model airplanes, I have since I was 6 when my father was working 16 hours a day, 7 days a week trying to keep us from loosing the house. I never got his help once. I just read alot of how-to books from the library and from friends houses.

As proof, heres the latest one, i have been working on it for 19 months now, and its almost finished...

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/r...1/DSCN1285.jpg

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/r...1/DSCN1287.jpg

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/r...1/DSCN1298.jpg

Its 1:72nd scale.

#2, I don't want the pistol now, Im going to buy it when im 18, not when im 17, not when im 16, not when im 15.

#3, Im buying the rifle when im 16.

#4, Since my dad is almost never home, this will be a 2 year project easilly.

And #5, Yes I almost had no father as a child. I just take happyness from the point that when he is home, its the best few hours I could wish for.

I never said you weren't happy or didn't have a father, and I'm sorry that that happened. My point is, your money can be better spent on many other things that will actually accomplish something within 3 years.

On today's episode of DramaSoft Canada...

Lol, I'm just trying to give him advice, and not waste 500$ on a project that will take 3 years to finish.

I have plenty of models to finish that will last me 10 years easy, I just need something else to do other than homework, read and build models. I need something hard to do that im really interested in, the answer to that is airsoft. It will give me something to do, and mabey get me and my dad closer togeather. Its one of those "last idea" things to get togeather as father and son.

EDIT: And the model was $15.00 and its almost been 2 years, so im quite ready to take on something funner that actually works.

Sigged:D

Not being sarcastic or anything here, but fishing is great. :D

Any who it's your money, I wish you luck.

And again don't mean to sound mean, but it took you 19 months to make that plane? Did you just work on it exclusively with your father?

Sorry about that, but its true and I havent said or let alone typed it ever. It sorta felt good...

Also, its 2 years... year 16-17=1 year, year 17-18=1 year. Therefor 1+1=2

EDIT: never had help from my father, I just take my time, and you have no clue how long it takes to get it to look weathered like that... Let alone do the small scaled seat belts from scratch and build the many other things as accuratly as possible.

Nevermind, mis-read the post, and I was going by your profile age.

I have, I just take my time. And I mean 2 years from when I turn 16 to when I turn 18 years old...

Ahh, i see. Anyways, I'll just answer your Original question, and say G&G.

No problem. Im almost 15, will be in early June.

So I should use G&G internals? Why is that?

G&G is a better brand than JG. Usually it goes like this:

TM, CA, G&G are on top

Then JG, Echo1 and Dboys (depending on which guns)

You get the idea. JG are good starter guns, but G&G is better.

Also take into the fact the price. Usually, from reputable dealers, the higher the price, the better quality it is.

No, No, I already decided on the ICS M4 SIR. So now im asking what wound be the best up-grade internals.

forgot G&P And King arms, Both make some of the best AEGs on the market

Ohhh, my bad. I've heard great things about prometheus, systema, G&P internals. Albeit, I am a 100% noob inside the gearbox.

Ok, so I guess more research is in order...

Haha, sorry im of no help.

No problems man, you tried your best.

What internals to buy?
Most of the time, Opening an AEG is a bad idea, unless something break, or unless you really know what your doing.

Your probably more likely to break something, and parts are expensive...

Also, ICS have a number of parts in their mechboxs that are not compatible with most mainsteam parts. Keep that in mind, but G&G is definitely a more upgrade-friendly gun.

normal black ICS guns have great internals.. way better than G&G.

I have heard that the ICS half breeds internals are a little more rough, Plus, good luck ever finding a metal receiver for it. Plus, the OP is looking for a project gun, something he can up grade as a "Father-son project"

Ok, so mabey it would be best to go with G&G, and buy a SIR fore-grip for it, like the fore-grip from Capitalairsoft.ca.

Link:http://capitalairsoft.ca/store/index.php main_page=product_info&cPath=41_82_37&products_id= 281

And possible this airsoft gun.

Link: http://www.mach1airsoft.com/web/cata...om&id=11&cat=3

EDIT: Also, If I bought a second RIS system, I may be abled to go the C8 way when I where my Canadian Forces loadout.

EDIT2: I found the JG M4 S-System, its like the ICS M4 SIR.

Link: http://velocityarms.ca/index.php?mai...roducts_id=193

I just did a quick search on the forms, and found out it was ok.

EDIT 3: Found a whole thread on it

Link: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=52798


CHEERS!

Frankly, I don't care what the purpose is... I'm not a fan of giving underagers advice on buying airsoft guns.

im with kalnaren on the whole not giving advice but for once ill be nice



i would say go with the ics m4 sir ( i plan on buying one soon to be honest) ics internals are amazing from what i have heard and dont really need anything done to them ( other than maybe reshimming from what ive heard) and for the bottom metal body i know evike has them and they are illegal to import so maybe get someone who is a retailer to order one for you.