I want a Glock...
 

...but which one? I am either looking for a 17 or 19. I see a lot of 19's for sale and it tends to be more common. Is there a reason why? I was looking at someone's G19, its the compact version of the G17 right? But what is the difference? Just the size? What are the disadvantages and advantages of the two? Thanks in advance guys!

Size is the only difference. The Glock 19 tends to be a bit more common but whichever you get, you will not be disappointed. I believe the Glock 19 is about 1/2 an inch shorter. It's compatible with Glock 17 mags (but they will stick out the bottom about an inch).

Here's my Meister Glock 17:
http://dpvu.bakaconvention.com/stuff...Glock%2017.jpg

Thanks for the reply. So in other words, I am getting the same thing but with the option of two different looks. Does holding it feel any different?

I'd say make your way out to a game and feel both. You're bound to find someone with a Glock 19 and a 17 or 18 (the 18 is the full auto version of the 17). The grip on the 19 is a bit shorter and smaller I think. It's personal preference more than anything. I've held both and didn't find a huge difference.

Thanks dpvu. Does the brand matter as well? I prefer KSC/KWA but there are TM's that are out there. Whats the brand of your 17?

With KSC there is more then size between the 17 and 19. The 19 is far newer and has some improvements such as more metal internals, heavier frame, better finish on frame and so on. If you want a 19 make sure it's KSC if you want a 17 have a look at the TM it's newer then ksc's 17

strongly recommand the MEISTER G17.

Avoid KJW. I have never found any part for my g23, exept buying another broken glock23... Is anything compatible with that?

I had a 19 and 26 and a 26 advance... the 26 advance sucks, the other 2 had metal slides but i liked the 26 a lot more cause it was so small and sexy.

KSC G19 all the way, hands down. Get a metal slide on it and the weight will impress you! Literally feels like a real steel Glock. The frame is metalized ABS Or polymer of some sort which is very solid and heavy. The G17 is more toylike, ABS frame that really sucks.

And, the only differences between different Glocks is the caliber, the height and length. So any holster made for a Glock will fit any Glock out there.

Wow, sounds like a lot of Glock owners. I think I am convinced to invest in the G19 KSC. I don't know why but I seem to like KSC/KWA GBB's. Thanks guys.

I found the KSC trigger/hammer mechanism in their Glocks to be horrible. Hard to work on, common to see some parts break. I've owned a couple that had simple parts break, but their replacement would not restore function... just my experience though, some people swear by them.

KJW is internally a TM Glock 26 clone, more or less.

So I am guessing that some get one for the good batches and some get one from the bad batches? Would you recommend a TM G17? TM's are generally more reliable I hear.

I'd take a TM over a KSC any day.

Rather than making a new thread... Do they make Glock 20C's?

im also considering a KSC glock. g19 is too small for my hand however it is said to be more mature in design and reliability compared to a KSC g17. is there something as good as a KSC g19 but for a bigger hand?

g34
http://www.glockfaq.com/images/girls/poster.jpg

http://www.rpgfirearms.com.au/HI%20RES/GLOCK%2034.jpg

You can't be wrong with KSC Glock 19, I have both of Glock 17 and Glock 19 but I really like my Glock 19 better than 17 plus The Glock 19 is somehow look really cute to me, it fit me very well with Medium size hand so it won't be hard to fit most people at all. For the performance, My Glock 19 is somehow out standing most AEG on the field because of its accuracy, it would be more accurate if I put the tight bore in there but still the side arm mean for CQB, so you won't use out door game and get peopele 100 feet away from you, right ? then there is no point to carry AEG at all. :rolleyes:

KND

Hi there, not sure about different brands and reliability, but the main diference between 19 and 17 is the barrel (inner & outer) length, slide length (hence the difference between front and rear sight, in which affects your aim ability if u uses ur sights to aim).

On the frame side, 17 is also slightly longer than 19. Grip angle is slightly different due to the backstrap 'hump' length. Also the finger indentation on the 17 is slightly spaced out more compared to 19s.

And since the barrel and slide difference, I believe the weight distribution is different as well. I have not tried both 19 & 17 to note the actual weight difference, not airsoft version anyway.

Hope this helps.

KSC G19 is the best and most reliable of any of the brands and Glock models (leaving TM out of it though). The KSC G17/18 is inferior to the KSC G19 actually.

Have you actually held a G19? Or just thinking it's a little pistol? I have large (not huge) sized hands and long fingers, and the 19 is perfect for me.

Picture of girl = yikes.

Butterface and wrinkles? Not good advertising for Glock!

i actually haven't :D i will try to get the first impression tomorrow.

the prices are: KSC G34(metal slide) 150$
and the KSC G19(metal slide) 95$.

with that kind of a price difference i should probably take the g19 and order some extra upgrades while im at it.

Unless you want higher FPS and more accuracy, in which case go with the G34.

Sorry, I found that sentence confusing. You mean that the G34 has more accuracy and FPS, right?

out of those two I would take the Glock 19 even if you switched the prices I would still pick the 19.

Yes, cause it has a longer barrel.

And it'll likely suffer the same lacking the G17/18s do. There is a very good reason why the KSC G19 is popular. And, if you wrap the inner barrel with tape just behind the O-ring, just enough to make it sit nicely within the outer barrel, you'll get a massive increase in accuracy. I've been able to shoot 3" groups at 30ft using 0.28g BBs with both of mine, and only one has a tightbore. And no, I don't "will" the BBs to hit where I want them, as much as legend might have it. Lol

Yeah. I dont like the 20 on ward models. they seem too big and proportionate. for look wise, 17 looks practical but ive heard that the 19 you will love as soon as you hold it. feel comes first then id go for looks. there are a lot more parts for the 19 out there i hear.

I like my KSC G19. I've had mine used for over a year now and I'm still satisified with it. I have relatively small hands, but the G19 fits nice and snug into them. If you do get the KSC G19, make sure you get a metal slide for added durability and looks. Also, I suggest that you get first-hand experience with all your options. That way, you'll know what you're getting yourself into.

In the end, its all about personal preference. You go for what you want. That's the only way you'll be happy with what you get.

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/ksc-g19-g...e-version.html

the metal slide version of KSC G19 - is it a decent slide? and im wondering if thats the only extra metal part that the metal-slide-version has.

I'll definitely get a first hand experience. I really like the slides that the Glocks come with. Is it true that if you get the slide, it makes a even better clacking sound?

I personally love everything by KSC/KJW/KWA and my KWA G19 is fantastic. I had a KSC G18C prior to that and loved it as well (but the auto fire is a waste).

http://www.highlandtactical.com/images/DSC00235.JPG

Be sure to research quality holster compatibility for whichever sidearm you are looking into buying. Your sidearm is only as good as the holster you carry it in!

TM' are good but hard to find, KSC are good as well, KWC are basically a rebadged KSC and KJW's are crap.

KSC would be a good brand to start with, lots of upgrades avalialble if wanted.

Don't think the G19 is a small pistol, it's not.......... ok, compared to a 1911 or a MK23, sure it's small.

And yes, makes a better claking sound, but for fast double tap use, I find my stock KSC G19 (yes, I have a couple of them) with the plastic slide, enhanced recoil spring guide and propane................ retardedly fast cycling! Like 2-3 rounds per second if you can keep up with it. Is the beaty of the short action the Glock offers, and also works great at close in shit when you need to get in and get out around a doorjam for instance, you can double tap a guy before an AEG can even spool up to shoot at you. I do it often, really baffles other players actually.

i read that TM G26 part are compatiblie with KJW G23

source: arniesairsoft

Thats another thing thats really attracts me to buy a G19. I see so many upgrades that are possible compared to the G19. But is there a reason for that? Like some places carry parts only because they are more prone to break. The KWA M226 (P226) air nozzle breaks easily, thus being more parts for that gun. Are there any problems for the KSC G19?

having personally owned both a g18c (identical size to g17) and g19, I love the hold and feel of the g19 but the size of the g18c body looked more proportional.

Also keep in mind, as for durability...the g19 has more metal internals than the g17

I feel the G19 is very proportional, the G17/18 is kind of awkward looking, kinda like a 120lb, 6ft tall teen with braces, wearing glasses and having size 13 shoes.

It's all personal preference, but I personally feel that the G19 is the perfect handgun. The size is just right - it's just small enough without being "too" small. Big sidearms aren't practical, which is why you won't find real operators rockin' Desert Eagles. There is such a thing as too much gun!

It's all about balance.

Great...that hurt my feelings...Just kidding. Yeah sounds like I am going to get the G19 for sure. I see glocks on TV all the time and it looks real nice. Plus, I love the fact that it has so many upgrades. I see recoil springs, slides, internal upgrades, plenty to choose from.

When I had my 19, I found it to be TOO small. Considering I've been using 1911s (6-7 of them), it was more natural to jump on the full-sized frame.

I really don't mind the 19s, but I wouldn't run one. Maybe a G26. Only because it's fucking cute as all hell.

Coming Soon.
 

Well I will be shortly getting my G19. I would love to do upgrades soon for it. I need opinions on which type to get since there are so many out there to choose from.

1. Slide
2. Recoil Spring
3. High Blowoff Valve

So for slide, I am going to be safe and purchase from airsoftparts.ca. I am already getting the metal slide on it but I was looking at the PGC Metal Slide/Barrel Set KSC Glock 19. What's the difference between the PGC and the KSC stock one? I noticed that the PGC had the "Glock" trademark on it compared to the stock one.

Recoil spring there are two types; Hurricane or King Arms?

High Blowoff Valve there are also two types; Action high output valve Action high output valve or King Arms High Output Valve.

The other things that aren't listed that I was thinking of getting was a Proud Enhanced Plug Spring, Shooters Design Rocket Valve, Guarder Spring - Hammer for KSC.

Would those listed above be any good to invest in? I am not particularly too sure what exactly those do. I am guessing the hammer spring will increase the force to the striking of the hammer. The other two i am clueless but upgrades make me happy for some reason. I was not really able to upgrade my last two GBB. I had the KWA P226 PTP and the KWA M9 Tactical PTP. I just upgraded the springs and the P226's slide and grips. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. HORRAY FOR TAX REFUNDS!

Why are ppl saying KJW is crap? i have a pair of KJW G23s, and i absolutely love them, their fun as hell, good on gas, and decent accuracy, and stock metal slide.

eh ! Have you ever own the KSC Glock, if you never own one, you should go get one then you will see how crap is KJW compare to KSC. I have both of them, KJW Glock can't really hold candle of KSC.

For all of airsoft gun in Glock variant, only KSC that made the best Glock also mostly only Glock 19 which is design that has been upgrade a lots of time from company to get it done nice.


KND

Here is the part I recommend you to upgrade on your Glock.

First, get a metal slide and barrel if you are able to get one, once you get both of them, then time to upgrade internal. There are only a few thing you might want to upgrade, the rest are just in case the stock is broken, plus it's not really necessary to upgrade though.

-Upgrade recoil spring to Guarder or King Arm,
-Upgrade the mag catch to Guarder one, would save you a lots of headache in longevity of usage
-Get a tightbore if you want more accuracy.
-Get a few extra hop up rubber, you will need to replace soon if you enjoy shooting a lots.

Only those little upgrade will make your Glock last for long more than you can think off.

KND

just got a G26 and it's fun as hell, even in my big hands.
I find the abscence of leftie option a bit retarded though.

Hows the recoil on that?

FYI, if you consider 100% to be the maximum ability for accuracy increase in a KSC Glock, 10% is barrel cleanliness, about 20-30% is a tightbore installed, and the rest is ALL about inner barrel stability. With a safe, unloaded Glock, look at the muzzle of it and stick something like a pen into the inner barrel, and move it around. You'll see there is about 1mm of play in every direction. Install a larger O-ring to stabilize it, or wrap the inner barrel just behind where the O-ring sits and add enough tape to be able to get it back in the outer barrel so it doesn't move around too much. Best to add a bit more tape than you need, then peel back a half inch at a time and cut off. This will greatly increase accuracy more than any tightbore can.

Another tip, Glocks tend to shoot about 2" low at 30ft, so learn to shoot it this way: Line up the bottom of the front sight's dot with the top part of the rear sight. Using heavy BBs (over 0.28g) you can easily get man sized hits past 100ft. Aim for the head, hit the chest, even with a bone stock KSC Glock 19.

This post should be a sticky. Lol

hi does anyone know if a g39 exists??obviously a gbb....lol

Thanks KND. By doing enough research, I was able to save quite a bit of money plus shipping. For the hop up rubber, how many shots do you think before i would need to replace it?

Yeah i found that the accuracy is off a bit. You must own a lot of glocks for this first hand advice you have given. Is there a type of tightbore you would recommend? I know there are some out there that say that they are the same but the price differently. How would you go about cleaning barrel? CuTip? I am worried about scratching it while cleaning it and from my understanding, you could alter the flight direction.

I went through about 2,000 shots before i replaced my first rubber. At the time i was using way to much silicon oil to lube my gun which caused it to swell up. I bought 3 (1 to use plus 2 for replacement) after that happened and i have yet to use my replacements.

As long as you don't over lube the gun i don't see you needing a hop up replacement in a long time. The stock (plastic) rocket valve lasted about 2 weeks before it gave out in my G19, so you'll have other parts break before the hop up.

no, you can get a 26 or 27 though then try and find a slide with the 39 trademarks (if anyone makes them) or get them custom done.

thanks tex

TMG26 is really nice, especially with steel upgrades...cough cough

Airsoft Canada

lol

Yikes! I better stop over lubing it then. I got into the habit since my KWA P226 air nozzle broke due to under lubing. How would you know when the rocket valve breaks? Does it just spray out all the gas? I cant really tell on your avatar, but do you have the PGC slide?

You're very lucky to have it, the metal slide is very hard to find.. discontinued.

Collectors item.. ZING.

You might surprise if I tell you how many hop up rubber I have ? I have like 6 of hop up rubber bought in bunch to replace. The reason is quite simple, bought 6 of them save shipping in one shot from Japan and you won't afraid can't find any replace part all.


KND

Thats a good idea. I do need to order a whole bunch of stuff from Japan. Thanks for the advice.

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that all Glocks are the same externally, i.e. a holster that fits one compact Glock, will fit all compact Glocks, subcompact to subcompact, etc. Not so. The high calibre Glocks, such as the G20 and G21 (10mm and .45, respectively) are physically larger pistols than their 9mm and .40S&W counterparts.

Really? I thought the barrels and mags made a difference only.

No, slightly larger dimensions are required for the larger 10mm/.45 rounds. While most (if not all) 9mm and .40S&W pistols are the same size, that was a result of the similar dimensions of the two rounds. However, the .40S&W is a much hotter load, and early .40s wore out the guns quicker, and it was several years before manufacturers produced pistols specifically designed to handle the higher pressure .40S&W loads.

I'll shut up now.

anybody know if the KSC G19 GBB Pistol (Metal Slide Version) has a metal outer barrel or just plastic? link: http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/ksc-g19-g...e-version.html

thanks.

why don't you just e-mail them to ask right away ? I would say it's metal since the pre-upgrade KSC Glock 19 is full metal that what I have seen.

today i received my ksc g19 with an extra mag. while filling gas in one of the mags i well heard the sound of gas flowing in the mag. however when filling gas in the secong mag i couldnt hear anything. both of the mags shot nicely until empty of gas (last shots were weak). when starting to refill the gas then one of the mags let the gas out as soon as i started filling. not as fast as pressing down the valve but about 3 seconds of refilled gas came out in about 6 seconds. whats going on- can i fix the mag? it is brandnew from ehoby asia and has had only one fill of gas.

did you add lube? if it's brand new there's a good chance that it was sitting for a while and the seals dried up.

I'd pull the main seal and give it a silly oil bath to rehydrate it.

there's also the possibility that one of the valves has failed. where exactly does the gas leak out of?

it leaks out from the top of the mag. i dont think it leaks from the valve. i can see the cloud of gas pushing out from the top but not from the side. is it possible to repair? could it be done with a new part?

regardless. if it's the top or side it's probably going to be the flow valve. write back to the vendor and see what they can do. at the least they could send you a replacement valve. well, that is if you actually get a reply.

ehobbyasia replied with this:

"Can you try to apply some silicone oil spray on the leaky valves.
Give the O-ring as good lube to try and help the seal"

I understand I should take the mag into pieces to get to the valves right?

yeah, you can try silly oil. put a drop or two down the hold on top. tip the mag on it's side and put a drop or two on the valve release (button). let it soak over night then pressure it up and see if you get the same results. if you have a valve tool, you can remove the flow valve itself and dunk it in some silly oil to swell up the rings a little.

i hope this is enough of a newbie question:

how important are the two springs (part 23) in the blowback chamber. i disassembled my gun today and to my horror i saw that the top parts of both of the springs were out of shape and very bent. it seems its impossible to bend them back straight. and i dont have a clue how or why they got so abused.

-edit-

seems i installed the blowback chamber incorrectly the previous time i disassembled the gun so that the springs were cought between metal and got abused. i managed to bend the springs almost straight. i think the problem is solved.