SG 552 or SCAR
 

I'm not sure which company for either, so input on that is accepted too.

But comparison on the guns is assuming that it will be for indoor mainly (as that is closest and most easily accessible) and that I want a gun that is reliable and will require as little maintenance as possible.

and best performance in-game is another aspect of the gun im looking for.

I know i've asked many questions about this or that, i guess thats why i hide behind the noob forum so i dont get flamed, i'm not trying to spam, just trying to get input from ppl who have used these before.

Thanks :D

G&G SCAR-L is excellent. It's rugged and reliable. Shoots hard and fast out of the box.

It uses regular M4 mags, so it's no problem to find them or a vest to fit them. Parts and accessories are also no trouble to find.

Plus, it's way sexier than the 552 :P

What about the STAR version of this gun?
(i have heard much about this gun, just trying to find options for companies, don't really like G&G)

Thanks :D

Go with VFC SCAR-L, you won't be wrong with this gun. I got mine and play very hard in stock form, It's never break on me except I will crack mechbox upgrade soon then it will break on me.

Both guns have external parts that can be very hard to replace if broken, on top of that the SCAR has a proprietary nozzle that can be broken in a BB jam (not very likely but it happens.) SCAR uses ver.2 mechbox, Sig uses the stringer ver.3 that in my experience jams in semi more often (full auto burst frees it up), neither can fit a large battery, both can fit a small LiPo. G&G have had a back track record in the past for garbage electricals but from what I can tell from my Cansoft G&G they have improved quite a bit but still aren't perfect. Sig552 has very limited mag options, SCAR takes armalite.

I have a Vfc Scar, and love it. when indoors its nice to have the option to fold the stcok over and change out the barrel easily. The gun feels so nice in your hand, and has loads of room on the rails to hold whatever you want.

Star Scar L w/EGLM Review + Takedown [IMG heavy] - Airsoft Canada

Just wrote it up last night.

So from the sounds of it, even though the 552 has limited mag options, it would be the better choice b/c its less inclined to break?

Or am i getting that wrong?

and how easy is it to find either a SCAR or a 552 here?

after rereading all the reviews, it sounds like they are just as reliable as each other, each having its own problems, sooo If I am assuming correctly that they are so similar,

would it just boil down to the way it looks?

Which in that case, I'd go with the SCAR.

Correct me if im wrong on that assumption

It'll also come down to your preference, and how each gun feels in your hands. Also, you said you were mostly at an indoor field. will it be mostly CQB? If so, the SCAR's folding and adjustable stock is tough to beat. :DIf there is a way for you to try out other people's guns at your neaby airsoft place, try to get your hands on one of each gun, and see which feels better for you. Most airsofters are pretty good about letting people try their guns out, as the more airsofters we get the better. :D as for the availability of each, your best bet is to get age verified, which i found to actually be a very easy and painless process, and then look in either the AV retailer section, or the classifieds. I actually just bought a SCAR yesterday, i'm just waiting to get ahold of it. Hell, if i see you at a game in the city, i'll let you give it a try.

As far as I know most if not all of the SCARs use STANAG mags, so that means you won't have to work as hard to get mags, can swap between team mates if you're in a jam, and if you get another rifle that also uses STANAGs your current mags and pouches will transfer over.

I've got a VFC SCAR and it's been great the last year.

The reliability thing is that the ver.2 mechbox is weaker than the ver.3. A non-reinforced ver.2 mechbox with a 400fps spring in it will eventually crack, either crack the front end off or crack between bushing holes. A ver.3, unless a fluke, will last a very long time. I have seen stock TM ver.3 mechbox shells running 440fps into the tens of thousands of rounds without any wear, I have seen TM ver.2 mechbox shells break with 360fps upgrades within a season. A reinforced ver.2 mechbox shell will last quite a bit longer, but I have seen SystemA and G&P shells crack and break. The only time I have ever heard of a ver.3 breaking was Tokyo Seven and my guess is that was a fluke.

Mmmmm VFC SCAR L..... sexy!!!! MMMmmmmmm

For the love of God, don't go SiG 552. Upgrades can be brutal for it, especially just equipping yourself with an ample amount of magazines.

Honestly, I do love my SiG 552. When I first got it, I was reluctant, but it was all that was available at the time. Over time, though, due to the immense amount of time I've put into it, I've fell in love with it. Problem, though, is that things such as magazines, are very hard to get. 5 of the realistic 43rd magazines with fake rounds in them will cost me about $250 and some change at my doorstep, opposed to buying, in your case, full-metal M4 magazines. Believe full-metal M4 magazines sell for like 90$ at your doorstep for 5? Correct me if I'm wrong, please, don't want to mislead the man, heh.

It's not just magazines that are difficult to obtain with a SiG 552. I find that the pistol grip is kind of flimsy compared to other weapon's pistol grips, so you have to be a little more careful with them. Everything else, so far, has survived what I've put it through. The only way you're going to get a top rail as well, is if you mount one yourself manually, or you dump the cash for a HurricanE 552, although worth the money, it is quite the expendature.

Motor's can also be a bit of a pain if you ever plan to upgrade one. As far as I know, the motor a SiG 552 takes only fits other SiG series guns, and the PSG-1. A lot of places I've visited don't even market a medium sized motor, so it usually requires an oversea's order, which I guess isn't too bad if you plan to do overseas orders. Tune up kits can also be a pain, as there isn't a big variety for the SiG. I've only found one on WGC, and it's not the type I'm even looking for (I'm going high-speed build). Result being you have to order the parts separately, which sometimes costs a little bit more.

Hope this helped for selection. I still h-- love my SiG 552, though.

i own the classic army scar light and i love it ,running at 350fps with a black python barrel, the only problem is today i bought a jg sig seals and its bloody brilliant 400fps out of the box on .20 with the hop off 360 with .25 with hop adjusted.
exact marui copy ,very high quality overpowered for uk sites but has a gearbox which is extremly well made and requires no upgrades, if you cant make your mind up buy both

The guys at AATV did a good SCAR V. SCAR V SCAR review. They are REALLY picky about every little detail. I got the impression they didnt like the VFC SCAR all that much OR they seem to get an odd number of lemons for review.

http://www.aatv.at/review.htm

ive seen equally bad reviews on the vfc scar on uk forums, most quote the bodys as being very good but let down by dodgy quality internals

I'd most likely be playing at Defcon because its closest.

I've never been there so you guys (whoever's been there) would have to tell me which would be best suited.

But Roko brought up a good point. i may just go for the SCAR because of that.

and im thinking of going for the Star SCAR b/c of the grenade launcher, unless there's som internal issues that make the VFC version significantly better.

Let me know :D

Thanks

just got ur post after i posted Screwdriver

So are you saying the Star version would be better?
(the CA version would just be way too expensive here)

Star SCAR has spring quick change - Airsoft Canada

A good read on STAR vs. VFC. Good points on both so you need to pick what goes well with you and you can find to buy.

Other random thoughts. VFC case boyz, see the little cutouts in the lid? Good put the blocks of hard foam that comes with in the cutouts to line up with the AEG. Yep there's float, that means you can case it short or long barrel, vert grip on, optic still on, or stock pushed in or slithered all the way out. Still with room for a bunch of mags, an EGLM,and some bits and pieces.

The only UK site I hang out on is Arnies, but I haven't seen any winging there, maybe I'm not looking hard enough.

The VFC battery wiring is awful. I've got a picture in one of the SCAR threads on how to clean it up.

Ordering from Asia isn't that bad, I order all my mags including mags with dummy rounds from overseas. Fake plastic dummy rounds are not illegal as far as I know, only "deactivated ammunition" is but of course there is still a risk, higher than a normal parts order. Twice now I have had the box covered with the yellow customs tape and the P90/AUG mags with dummy rounds are out of the packages and strewn around the box but never missing. I dislike the look of the short mags and I used the MAG midcaps when I had mine. A 5 pack of King Arms metal armalite mags would probably be less than $90 shipped, probably closer to $70.

TM and several other companies make top rails for the 552, have for MANY years. Very easy to install, no modification necessary.

SystemA makes medium type motors in both Turbo and Magnum and then of course there are stock TM motors. Both are commonly available overseas and don't cost any more than a standard short or long motor.

I VERY much dislike full tune up kits, I find there is always something in there that will cause a problem as no company makes the best of every part. Other than the nozzle everything else is standard ver.3 so ordering
parts to upgrade it is dead easy. Ver.3 guns have a standard tappet for all models of gun (I like Guarder), standard cylinder (Modify), same cylinder head as I believe an AUG (Modify), 6mm bushings (King Arms) or bearings, snag some SystemA all helical highspeed gears, Prometheus piston, ventilated piston head (Modify), SystemA magnum motor (higher torque AND speed than the turbo, SystemA admitted this in a PDF press release about the revolution mechbox.)

I will say that ICS metal SIG looks tempting (but only after the VFC EGLM is mine).

http://www.icsbb.com/EDM/sg/en/

Ok guys, i'm kinda stressed with school and my thinking processes are kinda focused only on school.

So if you were me, what would you get:

the VFC SCAR or the Star SCAR

and someone was recommending get a good China copy of one, watcha all think?

(552 is probably off, b/c i dont really like the hole in the stock, if they had a solid stock type like the SCAR then sure! i'd go for it. And also finding the mags, i dont want to deal with spending extra time finding mags for it, such a pain, sorry sig lovers!!)

I'd vote the VFC unless you play at a bunch of places with widely varying FPS limits. Then the quick change spring in the STAR would come into it's own.

well as i said, Defcon is the place i'll be playing, do you feel that the VFC is suited for that environment? (i've never been there)

and how much would I be looking at for a VFC SCAR?

Oh no. I know that the mags usually make their way across. Just the problem that the real-cap and real-style mags for the SiG 552/P90/AUG sometimes suffer the consequence of price for obvious reasons. Customs probably won't give a crab since it's just shiney plastic fake rounds inside, I believe. I use the MAG SiG Series 100rd magazines right now just because they are cost effective for now (I don't want to pay $250 for 5 real-cap mags :(). My basis of metal magazines is just based off what I've seen/heard. We shipped 5 KA full-metal AK47 magazines here, and I think it was about 70-90 dollars at the doorstep. :)

The only few top-rails I've seen usually require you to tap the reciever to set them in, unless there are others. Given, tapping a plastic reciever isn't hard, some people may screw it up and have a slightly off-set top rail, if even by 4 degrees. 4 degrees 200 feet out can be a problem, heh. :confused:

SystemA makes the motors, yes, I'll give you that. Just depending on who you generally deal with, they may not even have them in stock, and overseas orders just simply take longer which sometimes brings a frown to some people's faces. Think it took 3 weeks for me to get my M-M-HS motor. Price-wise, yea, their counterpart short and long motors are the same. :)

As far as tune-up kits, I can agree. A lot of parts aren't the best for the job and there are better thing, but if you're a starter person or just play casually they usually do the job. But for a high-torque or high-speed tune up for a SiG, you're basically frankensteining your own, which can be a very good thing since you get referals from people regarding which parts are the best for the situation at hand :)

Different V3 guns have different nozzles and and I thought cylinder heads too?

SCAR for it's mag compatibility and reliability

SG 552 for it's V3 gear box and awesome looks mags are a bitch to get though.

I said that. The Sig and AUG use the same cylinder head and the 552 has its own specific nozzle.

Thought the AUG had it's own specific one, but the SiG one was just a normal V3 one? V3 cylinder heads usually say "(except AUG)" underneath, nothing regarding the SiG though.

Could be wrong, though.

I just did a quick search on redwolf and the Prometheus Aero cylinder head says AUG/Sig552, I didn't really look past that.

I'd say get a Jing gong SIG 552, cause it's cheap and good, and because you WILL eventually have to up opening it, and replace parts. It's the nature of airsoft. Of course the VFC can last you a long time. A friend of mine has a VFC HK 416, but even that one had it's piston break after half a season (he's way trigger happy :D). As already mentioned that v2 will also break after a while, while the v3 gearbox in the SIG will last you a long, long time. As someone else also mentioned, get the MAG 100 capacity magazines. They sell for 18 USD a paid. I also found some great mag pouches that can hold a pair clipped together. Beware though, cause the nobs connecting the mags together aren't that strong. DO NOT clip more than two together! They just can't take the strain. I also "reinforced" them by placing some hard foam between the mags, so they wouldn't move and creak as much as they do without.

Now that bad news about the SIG from JG:
- It's a nightmare to disassemble/assemble! Of course I'm quite spoiled with my P90, but still it's a lot of fooling around until you've stripped it down to the gearbox. What can be done to remedy this? Get the new SIG 552 from ICS! It's so easy to open I get wet in my pants, but it also costs 300-ish USD+shipping, while the JG will only cost 72 USD at UNcompany.
- It shoots too hard. Mine peaks at 407 FPS! o.0 Sadly the FPS is VERY inconsistent. It's shooting anywhere from 370ish-407, but 380-390 more than other speeds.
- It can't hold big batteries, and if you're not handy at all, it won't fit a small size lipo either.
- Trigger burns down fast, but a mosfet will fix that, and what a ROF you get from that! ^_^

Those prices would be a dream in Canada. A JG Sig 552 here would probably cost around $300 ish and that's considered a moderately cheap company. I remember hearing the new ICS Sig in country here would come in ~$700 CDN.

Yeah it would probably be even worse over here. Norway's a really high cost country, but we just import the stuff ourselves and pay shipping + customs. Do you guys get high customs feed is you import yourself or?

Forgot to mention that the JG was 72 USD + shipping.

We can't import ourselves. We can only important parts and accessories, not full guns. So we get hit with it way more expensive.

I guess you've all tried this before, but I'm curious; Can you guys import weapons if you send the upper in one package, and the lower in one?

No sir. Lower receiver is restricted, it would get stopped at the border.

Oh my! And I wanted to visit Canada at some point. Does that mean that I can forget visiting with my guns?

Yep. Those will not make it through.

I have 2 VFC SCARs, and I'm waiting on a 3rd.

'Nuff said?