Systema gearbox stop at the border...
 

Hi, i've buy a Systema Complete Mechabox (Gearbox) Turbo Set for SR16-M4 on redwolf airsoft and the canadian border send me a letter saying it's a prohibited weapon or device. But on the letter, it's write that I import a MECHA BOX 8 REPLICA RECEIVER... so what can I do ??

so is the mechbox the ONLY thing you imported or was it part of an order that had a metal body included.

no that the thing I don't understand... I only buy the systema gearbox... i send a message to redwolf airsoft for know if the send me the wrong item and they don't answer me at this time...

im no expert but i think you can dispute that, since its not a restricted part. what fps was the box, m90, 120, 150??

which customs mailing centre did it go through? What's the address of it?

It's an M100 spring. But I don't understand why it's write that it's a receiver if it's a gearbox

It's 4567 Dixie road, Mississauga, Ontario

Weird how your item didn't go through QC mailing centre.

But oh well, dispute it, it might take a long time, but you have a valid reason.

A mechabox is just that.... a mechabox I don't know why it would get stopped. (If there's a new regulation on mechaboxes then I might be in some trouble this summer...)

Try to dispute it. It's not like it's a receiver or prohibited. DONT GET MAD at the customs guys just explain it calmly and in a professional manner. They might be more inclined to let it go if you're professional and polite about it rather than you getting irritated and chewing them out. They're just doing their job even if it was wrong that they confiscated your gearbox.

ok i will call them tomorrow... and call god to help me!

Unfortunately you can't just call them and have it released. You'll have to go through a bunch of paperwork bullshit most likely.

There is an inspecting agent listed on the seizure notice. You have 30 days to appeal from the date of the notice.

Write an appeal as per the CBSA website, and you should be fine.

But it could take a year or more to get a decision, just be prepared for that.

redwolf says they'll give you back your $ if anything gets siezed (other than guns/recievers if you live in a country like canada) They should refund you if you can't get it through.

From redwolf FAQ.

Customs these days, they are now throwing out seized items at landyard dumps. I saw this on the newspaper. Seized drugs, and weapons prohibited at the dump.. hmm. lol
They're also getting slapped because some weren't trained right.

Yup. Redwolf has a seizure money back guarantee as Sepulcrum just noted. File your appeal with the CBSA anyway, but be prepared to wait a LONG time. At the same time, send a scan / picture of the seizure letter to Redwolf in an email, explaining that they had improperly declared the item as a "receiver" and it got seized. They'll ship you out a replacement at no cost or issue you a refund.

And hey, a year from now you could get lucky and all of a sudden receive your original mechbox in the mail.. :p

Except airsoft IS illegal in our country. Well....for Redwolf's purposes anyway, illegal to import. They might not refund you.

I will send to redwolf a copy of my letter of the border. I think theire no problem because airsoft is not illegal, it's the gun or the metal body... not the gearbox

If they look at it like that they may state it as illegal, but in reality airsoft isn't illegal in Canada.

I had a mech box seized, I called the number listed on the form and they have a perosn or persons on staff that will investigate the seizure. I had mine released though it took two months.

What is wrote on your letter send by the border? is it a gearbox or a receiver? because I call the border and they say this was a metal receiver and it's not transparent... And I try to contact redwolf and no response...

If you ordered a Mechabox, chances are that it's a mechabox. AFAIK Systema doesn't make Receivers for regular AEG's (they only make PTW receivers IIRC).

Call up CBSA again and ask them to have someone who is *trained* take a look at it. (Assuming that it's a gearbox and not a receiver).

It could also be a fuckup on Redwolf's part though. Maybe you could go in person and appeal it? I mean all it is, is just a set of gears that spin when a motor spins it. It doesn't house anything at all that could remotely be modified to shoot a bullet.

If they seized it based on the invoice comments then they really need to take a look at it not just say it's a receiver.

Maybe they seized it based on keyword.

M4 and SR16 are weapon names that will get your parcel flaged for inspection almost automaticly.

That's why, when I import parts, I hask that they don't print certain keywords in the invoice and on the packages. I did that when I imported some M24 parts. I had all the original package removed and had them write toy parts on the papers.

They nailed you with that one. You can thank redwolf for writting that on the package or the CBSA for being idiots.

No, TM is illegal (explicit) to import, as are replica firearms devices in accordance to CBSA's definition of a replica. Owning imitation firearms is not. I only point that out because its a point of frequent contention and misunderstanding here.

I thought it was all solid coloured bodied guns unless owned prior to 1999 or is it just TM?

December 1, 1998 I believe. But separate import and tarriff laws from criminal code and you will find your imitation firearm (note I do not use the word replica) has no statute against it.

However, the fastest way to upgrade your AEG to a full firearm is to commit a crime with it.

lol all the gangsta cats in mississauga take the air guns from crappy tire and rob stores with them...it happens quite often actually...i was working one day in timmies and this one guy comes in with this gun just no scope and the clip wasnt even in it....Airsoft Canada i let him rob the place but i laughed about it for days....its probably why airsoft guns are being watched so much....to many dumb kids watching to much t.v

That's.....exactly what I said. Coming from Redwolf, airsoft is "illegal" in Canada. Meaning illegal to import which is all that matters for them.

It was just a mechbox shell, not a gun and no internals. Having internals in it does not make any difference as it is not a prohibited or even a controlled device. Customs said it was a "replica firearms receiver". Once the adjuducator from customs looked at it, he agreed with me that it was not a replica firearms receiver and released it that day. Still, it took two months from the time it got seized until it hit my doorstep. Redwolf won't help you, you'll have to deal with customs yourself on this. It's not hard, it just takes some phone calls, patience (lots of it) and time (even more).

What are those things worth? Like $250-260 USD?

Contest it as hard as you can because it seems like they confiscated it based on keyword in the invoice slip.

If it was something that was $50 or less I would save the headache but this is equivalent to about a weeks worth of wages.

Think of it this way. At least it wasn't a Systema Revolution gearbox that they seized. (Those go for about $500 USD).

This is kind of off topic, but what's the difference between the revolution and the Complete mechabox anyways?

Revolution's technology is more in line with the internals of a PTW than an AEG. While it's made to replace a V2 gearbox, zero parts are V2 compatible. It's totally its own unique design.

Contest it and that should fix the problem from now on. CBSA's own record keeping should prevent this from happening again, but only if you contest and do it successfully.

Do NOT say it's a receiver of any sort. A mechbox is not a receiver.

Yes and please keep us posted about the outcome. I'd like to know if the CBSA's set a precident here to seize internals.

Unless you get an M130 or higher, it has standard gears, set of three, you only get the fourth gear and new reverse motor in the higher spring boxes. On that note the bushings should be compatible. Its a unique design with no replacement parts available and an untested circuit board as to whether it shorts out when wet or not. I have played in rain so hard you're practically swimming, two days later I opened my mechbox and there was still water (and rust) inside the mechbox shell (rust was on the gears.) It may be harder for water to get in there but its also harder for it to get out. I bought a normal Turbo mechbox, not a revolution, and one 7mm bearing bushing blew out within 1000rnds, go SystemA.

seized KJW hi capa
 

Hey guys, I know there's a detailed blog highlighting everything about ordering guns from hongkong, how they are prohibited since they are classified as replicas and how they will get seized.

Well unfornunatelly I only came across that thread after I got the letter from CBSA. Yes I know, dumb on my part to do it.

Now since this is already happend, I was wondering if anyone has any past experience, or are aware of some kinda precedence, that's on reccord, where someone got a pardon for this?

I am thinking about reasoning in the following way:
1. I do have a PAL for firearms
2. the exact same gun can be bought off calcary based 007airsof ( yes i know just becasue its sold there doesnt mean i can import it, but would this carry any weight to my argument?)

Given this was my first infraction and it was a honest mistake, is there any way to get them to give me a pardom for this?

Any help would be really apreciated it.

Thanks

Well, they won't give you a pardon and let it in.

I'd explain to them that you had no idea of the laws and nobody informed you and such.
See what they say and maybe you'll get lucky.

First, there's nothing to "pardon". Your gun got seized, and end of story. And no, 007 doesn't sell all black guns to the public, just ones with clear receivers, and you can import those yourself if you can find them outside of Canada.

As for a PAL, it means jack shit when it comes to prohibited items. You should perhaps read the Big Ol' Airsoft Q&A thread. It'll answer a lot of your questions before you even need to ask them.

Airsoft Canada

No, not possible.

I understand, I wish found that thread last year when i ordered this gun. I know PAL doesnt entitle me to import airsoft. But i was hoping that it would help my credibility to the case. I mean logisitically it really doesnt make sence that someone whos entittled to handle real guns isnt allowed to have a toy gun.

As for 007airsoft, the HI KAPA, the EXACT same model, is being sold, as matter of fact 007airsoft is taking pre orders now. link is right here:
http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/gas.htm

For some reason only KJW gas guns are shown as CANADA legal, where as the rest: Marui, WA etc are all not. Any ideas?

On the other hand, if 007 doesnt have the all black metal guns, where can i get them in Canada? I see you have quite a few nice pieces from your signature, how did you get them?

The "Canadian legal" KJW guns have a smoked see-through frame. If you look closely in the pics, you'll see it. They're hard to see. That's what makes them Canadian legal. The one you ordered had a solid, non transparent frame. That's why it got seized. Note that under all the other guns categories on 007 there's the "Not for sale to civilians" caveat. Black guns are NOT available anywhere in Canada for sale to the general public, either in stores, through web sites, or out of the country.

If you're over 18, then meet up with a local ASC age verifier and you'll be able to access the Buy & Sell and retailer areas here on ASC. Then you'll have access to back guns. If you're not 18, then you're stuck with whatever you can find from Canadian suppliers.

Thank you for the explanation Crunchmeister.
Yes I am over 18, actually well over :) Can't believer I am spending this much time and money just to get this gun. To be honest the only reason i want it is because when i was a kid i could never affort a toy like this. Not to say that back in the days, bb was nowhere this precise and good. Besides I just feel in love with this gun when i held it in Hong Kong. What a beautiful piece!
Shame that it has to be destroyed by the customs.

So who do i contact to get age verified? When does the buyand sell here has new guns? or just used ones?

The buy & sell is mostly used guns. Great deals to be found though. Often you can end up getting upgraded guns in excellent condition with extra mags, etc for the price of a new one. There are also a few retailers that sell non-clear guns, but those are not as plentiful as they used to be, as it's hard to get stock.

Just a word of warning though to avoid you 'price shock'. Whatever you see a gun going for on a foreign site, convert that to Cdn funds, and our Canadian price will be 2-3x that price.

You can find your local age verifier in this thread.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...epresentatives

thanks for the info. Ya I already had my price shock, amazing that these toys costs almost as much as a real piece.

as for the age verifier, how do i contact those people on the list?

Lower Mainland-

Jasper (Kampfer)

Mark (Crash)

Moto
Can be contacted at:
ASC PM

optix
Can be contacted at:
ASC PM


ASC PM? How do i PM them if i cant find them?

Yeah just ASC PM them. Go into inbox and compose a new message. Type in their name and it should pop up, confirming that there is such a person.

thanks i just did

so any of you guys know any retailer where i can get the full metal black gas guns?

Once you have your AV status, you'll have access to them. Till then, you have to wait. Sorry bro. That's just the rules we have here. Prevents minors from trying to skirt around the AV system.

cool thanks for the help dude

so long i can get these good looking gas blow backs i am happy:)
for a minute there i thought it's impossible to get them in canada

Although I will say those smoked lower guns from 007 are quite good too. Hard to tell they're not solid black. And really nothing some paint couldn't fix. But once you're AV'ed, you'll find what you're looking for.

Did you ever seen them before?
the problem is they dont show the actual picture of it, what they are showing is the model available in asia. So i have no clue whats difference or which part they changed. Is it just the grip thats plastic or the whole frame is plastic? If thats the case, how can it still be the same weight under the specs?

nope the pic's on 007 of the KJW's are the clear frames that's how close to black they look. also the glocks and the hicapa are plastic no matter what clear black green brown they are all plastic so they will feel the same and weigh the same.

The pics are of the actual products. Take a CLOSE look at the KJW M9, and you can see the recoil spring and guide rod through the frame.

it says TANIO KOBA tinted clear grip conforming to Canadian regulations
so only the grip, which is 2 piece of plastic on 2 sides of the handle is plastic? and the whole frame is metal?

The Hi Capa technically should be illegal, as its midframe is actually metal, and the clear part on the gun, the grip, is non-restricted and easily available / replaceable. The other GBBs have clear frames and / or grips.

pretty clear to me. (pun intended)

this gun uses this grip but only smoked clear.

http://www.dentrinityshop.com/photo/COA/glr070.jpg

and yeah it shouldn't be passing csba as the frame is still metal. but it is passing for now.

if that's the case then its a nice deal, as I paid about 140CND equivalent for this off cobra airsoft.

But how come this only comes with 1 mag? the version from hk had 2 mags, 1 for green gas, and another for CO2 cans, which according to them gives a way better fps.

btw, did you guy say all the parts exept the frame itself is legal to import?

SSSHHHH!!!! Not so loud, CBSA might hear you... ;)