Quick questions regarding Snipers.
 

A buddy of mine just recently got started with Airsoft, and I took to the idea as well, and my primary style of play is Sniper.

So my questions are;

What are the accuracy on snipers like, when compared to the accuracy of an AEG assault rifle like the M5?

Is it better to go Spring or Electric for a sniper? (I thought spring myself)

What are some decent Snipers to purchase?

Any help is appreciated.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/search....archid=2519937

there a link to every newb that has asked about becoming a sniper. Everyone will tell you to NOT buy one as your first airsoft gun but hell in the end its really up to you.

Well I've had quite a bit of experience with Real rifles (The kind with bullets) and I much prefer it to the style of Auto or Semi-automatic weapons.

I'm just new to the ways of Airsoft.

:)

hell so am I... just wanted to give you a heads up cause they will tell you to search and to not buy one.

Hell I didnt listen and have a nice tm vsr-10 g-spec. lol

No offence but I have had years of experience with RS. 1 word of advice AS is nowhere near RS, so any predilections you think you have I would suggest you try some AS weapons first before purchase if possable

And your also looking to get of it lol . Kinda proves the point

lol, sure does ;)

Well if you don't mind my asking,

What basis do people have for saying not to buy Snipers?

Just out of curiosity.

And what style of play is a "sniper"? What do you think the sniper's role is?

Because bone stock, a sniper rifle has absolutly no advantage over an AEG... and because the role of sniper is incredebly difficult to play and have fun with, and 90% of noobs who start this way end up hating it. They think it's like playing like you see in the movies... when in fact it isn't even close.

Well snipers are support players, and depending on the style of match (not sure which are done in airsoft) they can play a vital role for objectives and scouting.

And I realize sniping isn't all a blaze of glory like in the movies, and is often uneventful for long periods of time.

Buying a sniper?

Well... Having to feed it for one thing, then the shelter, and all that.

:lol: I just had to. You kinda left yourself out in the open there.

In all seriousness though. I guess you got a pretty good idea of what snipers do. BUT I'd still say to get something that you could turn into a DMR.

Accuracy wise, you'd have to dump a bit of money on top of that $500 gun if you really want to get the accuracy up to par (hop up, tightbore, etc). AND even then it's still single shot/bolt action.

VSR is good for newbs, but there's ALOT to be done to it to make it fire more accurate.

Be ready to invest $1000 +, and countless hours of frustration that is equal in magnitude to figuring out women.

I was just looking around and since it IS a first gun, I thought about this one,

http://buyairsoft.ca/catalog/product...roducts_id=138


Though I don't know too much about airsoft products, all reviews seem to be good, as do the ratings.

let me sum up the difference between the VsR and the L98

VSR- Lighter,Better hopup easyer to upgrade

L98- realy durable, more powerful, kind of heavy, harder to upgrade

save ur self some money and get the vsr if you can't carry that much for that long. if you can't decide what gun you want to get toss a coin.

though we don't reccomend minors with airsoft be smart, know the rules, and always and i mean always let the police know + nabours what your up to with that gun.

Side note: iam also a minor but i follow the rules :)

Well you see, there are a few points I need to make

- That gun is in a single word, crap. Yes, it's compatible with aftermarket parts, but like I said about VSR, it will need $1000+ worth of parts and countless hours of frustration to work properly like a sniper rifle.

-Don't be mesmerized by the title "Ultimate Sniper", it's just a stupid cliche buyairsoft gives to all their products to make it sound better.

-If you want to go the sniper route, you will also need to purchase a secondary, which is possibly another $300 + Mag costs

Carrying it is no problem, and I'm not a minor, and thanks for the advice. :p

If it's for purely the performance of the gun itself, which to you recommend?

I wouldn't say that gun is crap. Got to play around with one today and i must say it out preformed most of the other guns here... though most guns were bone stock and/or cqc guns. BUT with a few exceptions it had the best range... GREAT accuracy BUT my JG/Kraken could take out the sniper every time with volume of fire vs his single percision shot. REALLY fun gun to shoot though. I'm planning on getting one (though i wouldn't pay that much) eventually for plinking and target shooting. Not really gameable though. If you want to do the whole sniper thing but still have fun, get a gillie and get an m16 with a tightbore. that way you have range/accuracy AND the ability to hose when required.

neither, seriously, don't buy a sniper rifle. Get age verrified, and buy a AEG over the ASC classifieds. If you are serious about sniping then buy something with some longish range ability. Maybe a M-16 or a M-14. We see many, many new players come to this site, most of them wanting to become snipers, dreamin of 100 yard perfect shots while hiding in some tree, perfectly concealed. the problem is, as skladfin put it, unless your willing to invent a few thousand dollars in your gun, all your getting is a gun thats just as accurate as a M-16, but shoots a hell of a lot slower.

But, if you really have your heart set on sniping, go to a game, ask to try out a sniper rifle, get a feel for it. maybe it is for you, but just a heads up, most game organizers dont trust strangers with potentially danerous guns, many of them require you to have completed the sniper saftey training workshop.

since ur not a minor get age verrified then the toys r us of airsoft become available i woudn't doubt if someone was selling better snipers

Oh also, bolt actions are shit when there are twigs everywhere. you NEED full auto if you are going to actually hit anything in a game. Targets are one thing, they don't hide.

some of the Snow Dragons I game with field an L96. They spent a lot of time and money on upgrades not only on the gun but on their battle gear and to them it is worth it. The L96 to them is their pride and joy and live for "one shot one kill". You may find a better deal if you get AV'd and check the classifieds where the rifles have already been accessorized and upgraded it just makes life easier then having to track down parts and upgrades and then having to install them or find someone to do it for you. Get a hold of one of the Snow Dragon snipers and i am sure they will tell you strait up what you want to know and then some.

Airsoft Canada

read that, the one about snipers, might seem childish, but its true.

Bottom Line is, you have one shot to get the hit. If you miss, your most likely screwed and are going to be hit. That is why new players that buy Snipers don't have a very good time. If your REALLY want a sniper, buy one down the road when you have some experience, or buy a gun like an M-16 or M-4 which are basically a Sniper and a AEG put together.

Bottom line is, why pay a few hundred dollars for a gun that can do only one thing, when you can get an AEG put a bit of money in it and have it do the same thing as a sniper rifle. If you are really interested in a sniper rifle, may I suggest a G3 SG1 with tightbore barrel.

Let's say I go with a Single-Shot sniper, (like the Ultimate - Bolt Action or the VSR-10)

It will cost me around $230 - $320 for the Gun with Scope and 2 Mags.

What upgrades will I likely need, and roughly what is the cost of each upgrade?

for that 300 bucks you can't even really get a good AEG, you defanitely wont get a good sniper rifle.

What will likely hapen is that you will ignore us, buy the sniper, and be horibly disapointed when you find you cant hit a target 50 feet away. And that target your missing isn't running at you spewing 10 bb's a second...

Definitely a good quality hopup + rubber.

I guess sorbo pads or something (not sure if those are only for AEG's though).

Tightbore.

That's all that comes off the top of my head, but I've heard of people dumping a lot of cash on their gun to make it a game worthy sniper rifle. Also chances are no ones going to let you run a hot gun on the field not knowing who you are. You have to be trusted, safety oriented, and proven, so you'll likely be running a 400 FPS gun rather than 425-450.

I guess I'll have to get AV'd and check the classified for a decent gun than, which would you recommend?

And I also don't plan on standing in an open field while a person runs at me full auto. :D

Man get a G&G cansoft or a JG aeg instead. You can get 20 kills at a game with an AEG or MAYBE 1 or 2 with that bolt action. Plus $300-350 for an aeg or get the bolt action, plus $50-100 for the inner barrel, and i have no idea about the hopup but i'd imagine it to be more than $30 and then you'd need the better spring (more reliable one) AND you need to install all this without breaking anything.

Try to contact a local game organizer, and see if you can go to a game.
There (if people like you) you might be able to try out a few differant guns, and find one you like.

Also, i wasn't talking about standing in an open field, i was talking about how close you would need to be to even have a chance at hitting something with a stock 300 dollar sniper rifle. And some people are good at spotting snipers

EDIT: Read this, yes, the whole post Airsoft Canada

that bolt action is actually great within 130-150 feet. Tack driver.... Though.... many aegs can get towards 200.

Well than, what is a decent stock rifle?

And what upgrades would you recommend? (And their prices)

you really arn't listening are you? we have tried to tell you the many, many reasons why an AEG is much better for a new player, and why new players should never buy sniper rifles, but you seem to ingore us, because were not saying what you want to hear...

Your main argument so far is that to use a sniper rifle effectively it will cost me lots of money.

I am not particularly bothered by that, hence my asking for what a good stock sniper is, and the price of it + upgrades.

second argument: Good sniper needs to be high fps, NOBODY will let a newb use potentionally dangerouse guns.

its not just the money aspect, i hate to sound harsh, but im trying to save GCA from heart-break.

Let's Say he spends 2 grand, and builds a godly sniper rifle, where will he play with it? no hosts will let anyone play with a rifle like that unless they know them, trust them, trust that they have a good understanding of Minimun Engadement distances, and general airsoft safety.

Some hosts even require thier snipers to have completed a sniper safety training course.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but buying a sniper rifle as a first airsoft guns is one of the worst mistake a new player can make

Try and find a Tokyo Marui M14 - they are pretty damn accurate right out of the box, and work well as a DMR rifle. Down the road, it can be converted to a higher-powered semi-auto-only sniper rifle if you wish, but in its stock form, it gives you the option of full auto. Put on a low-powered scope (3X or 4X) or red dot sight. Use heavier bb's, like .25's. Play with it stock for a while before upgrading and get used to it.

When you're comfortable with the gun, add metal bushings (for reliability - $20), a moderate spring upgrade to around 360-375 fps (like a Prometheus or Modify 110 - $20ish), a tightbore barrel (6.04 or 6.03, $60-$80), and an upgraded hopup rubber (Prometheus - $25ish).

Buy Whatever gun you want, If you want to buy a single shot bolt action .. go for it..

There are lots of well seasoned players here who have a lot of experience with the sniper role.. and weapons and upgrades needed.

However rather than trying to figure all this out by asking a lot of questions and getting a lot of conflicting answers.. Head out to a game and talk to the people you meet there who are sniping... they can offer real help in short order.

Where do you live GCA? Just want to mention that most of the clubs in Canada will not let somebody new play with a hot (within their sniper fps limit) gun. I know for some, they actually get them to do some kinda licensing of some sort before you can play the role.

Just a heads up before you spend your hard earned cash.

Ooops, didn't see you post there theguy. :D

basically I will lay it out as plain as I can. Sniper rifles to be effective on the feild need to be upgraded to the 9's. The level of force these can generate is on the scary side, which is why people are very hesitant to let seasoned players use them . Let alone someone who (while having RS, Paintball yada yada....experience) is new to the feild, new to the style of play, players on it and tactics used. You want to use a stock sniper rifle, I would suggest the you get the tm m-14 (others have with good reason) just keep it in semi if you really want to. M-14 will out distance most stock sniper rifles and be as if not more accurate. I know it seems like we are jumping down your throat about it but take 10min and search the word sniper on this site you would see why most people get tired of answering the question.

Well I discussed it with my friend, and from reading all the posts in this thread I've decided to go with the TM M14.

It's got nice Range and Rate of Fire, as well as a pretty fast FPS rating.

It also appears to have nice accuracy.

So I'll probably get AV'd and buy a nice TM M14 until enough people know me, to let me use a Sniper.

:D

Good decision!!!

You're gonna thank yourself in the long run for making this decision. what you will find is you will you be more versatile and be able to play multiple roles (DMR, gunner, support, etc...) which will show you more of a world to airsoft than just a bolt action will show you.

Also if you like the idea of racking the bolt back with every shot, the M14 has an operable bolt system (non-functional, purely for aesthetics) so you can simulate using a bolt action.

You might also want to fill out your profile a little more so we have a better idea of where you live so we can help direct you to the proper people (age verifiers, gun docs, fields/teams/games etc...)

Done, and I'm actually on my way to go get age verified in an hour and a half.

:D