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mkeras2 July 3rd, 2009 18:01

G&G m16 a3 carbine fps upgrade
 
I want to upgrade my gun, I have found the parts I want to get, but I would like somebody who knows more about this stuff than me to tell me what I need/if the stuff i have chosen is compatible with my gun.

The parts:
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=2464
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=3602
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=5295

Also how would I rewire to the rear of the gearbox?

theguy July 3rd, 2009 18:07

Well, first of all, i (and most other users here) like to buy from our local shop, Airsoftparts.ca. airsoftGI is great, but they are in the US, so shipping can be expensive, and take a long time

They have just about everything you need. now, you picked a new spring, a new complete JG mechbox, and a new hop-up.

New spring? really not necessary, stock G&Gs shoot about 360 FPS which is perfect for outdoor play.

Complete new JG mechbox? bad idea! JG are cheap chineese clones, granted, they are probably the best clones comming out of china, but they are still clones, the mechbox you have in you gun now will be much more solid and reliable.

new hop-up?
maybe a good idea, i have no issues with my G&G hop-up, but if your looking for more accuracy, it can be a good idea. I would recommend a prothemus or King Arms 1-piece metal hop up chamber.


Now, you say you want to upgrade your gun? What exactly are you looking for? more accuracy? higher rate of fire? please, let us know, and we will do our best to help you out!

mkeras2 July 3rd, 2009 18:14

I'm upgrading fps to around 400

theguy July 3rd, 2009 18:19

Can i ask why?

Regardless, buy a new spring from airsoftparts.ca

Get a 100 or maybe a 110 spring.

Also, please take the time to fill out your location in your profile

mkeras2 July 3rd, 2009 18:23

I have done some research on a few different airsoft sites, and all the reviews are 5/5 for the JG gearbox

theguy July 3rd, 2009 18:26

JG are clones of TM mechbox's.

They are okay, but they often advertise madly high FPS (the one you linked was an m130) and nothing else. Most new players assume that high FPS is the most important part of a gun. This is simply not true.


I'm not going to tell you how to spend you money, but you really don't need to increase the FPS of your gun, and a JG mechbox would be a defanite downgrade.

mkeras2 July 3rd, 2009 18:26

To get the stated parts from Airsoft GI is like $160 canadian

mkeras2 July 3rd, 2009 18:28

Some of the reviewers verified it at around 400fps though. Also I am upgrading fps because I want it to hurt more.

theguy July 3rd, 2009 18:28

Again, but what you want, but if what you linked is 160 bucks, your essentially playing 160 bucks for things that will really not improve the performance of your gun.

What you could do to make your gun better for 160 bucks? tight bore barrel, prothemus hop-up, sorbo pad and a guarder clear hop-up rubber.

mkeras2 July 3rd, 2009 18:34

I'm not looking to get anything more than a 400fps upgrade, I am not going to get any other upgrades.

theguy July 3rd, 2009 18:35

Buy a modify S110 spring from airsoftparts.ca for 12 bucks.


Done.

Although i have to ask, why do you want more FPS?

Gonzo Sleeper July 4th, 2009 03:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkeras2 (Post 1018256)
Some of the reviewers verified it at around 400fps though. Also I am upgrading fps because I want it to hurt more.

There is your answer.

theguy July 4th, 2009 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo Sleeper (Post 1018524)
There is your answer.

Huh, how did i miss that one.

Dude.... why?

Zilgorn_Zeypher July 4th, 2009 15:43

The game is about haveing fun mkeras2 if your in it just to hurt people anyone you play with will likely stop playing with you very quickly.. Also if your into hurting people paintball would be a better bet as 6m bb's don't hurt that much

mkeras2 July 5th, 2009 00:12

lol I just got out of paintball because it hurt too much. jk i quit because it was too expensive and none of my friends played, which made it really boring. Yeah when I said I wanted to hurt more I more or less meant that I wanted to upgrade accuracy, and all I have right now is enough for a better hop-up and higher velocity.

theguy July 5th, 2009 00:14

I cant stress this enough... You don't need a higher velocity

Increasing your velocity WILL NOT: Give you more range, Give you more accuracy or make you a better, more effecitve player.

What will? read what i already suggested earlier...

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkeras2 (Post 1018854)
lol I just got out of paintball because it hurt too much. jk i quit because it was too expensive and none of my friends played, which made it really boring. Yeah when I said I wanted to hurt more I more or less meant that I wanted to upgrade accuracy, and all I have right now is enough for a better hop-up and higher velocity.


SuperCriollo July 5th, 2009 00:18

just aim to the neck lol

mkeras2 July 5th, 2009 00:30

Also I find more pain makes the game all that more fun.

PS could somebody answer my questions instead of questioning my motives:
1)Are the parts compatible with my gun
2)How would I rewire to the rear of the gun with the gearbox-http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=3602

aznpos531 July 5th, 2009 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkeras2 (Post 1018854)
lol I just got out of paintball because it hurt too much. jk i quit because it was too expensive and none of my friends played, which made it really boring. Yeah when I said I wanted to hurt more I more or less meant that I wanted to upgrade accuracy, and all I have right now is enough for a better hop-up and higher velocity.

Airsoft isn't any better (if not worse).

mkeras2 July 5th, 2009 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperCriollo (Post 1018858)
just aim to the neck lol

lol people do that to me

mkeras2 July 5th, 2009 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznpos531 (Post 1018866)
Airsoft isn't any better (if not worse).

Well in terms of upgrades and stuff your right. But paintballs and co2 add up fast. It costs like $40 for 200 paintballs at a paintball field. I like that you can power your airsoft gun for pennies per battery charge, and the considerably cheaper ammo.

theguy July 5th, 2009 00:37

I don't know where you play, but no one i know wants to play againts guns that hurt more then necessary. A buddy of mine had a BB embeded in his ear-lobe from a gun that was upgraded more then it needed to be


But yes.. they are compatible, but as i already said, JG Box's arent great, and are prone to lemons, if you really must have more FPS just put a stiffer spring and a sorbo pad in your gun

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkeras2 (Post 1018864)
Also I find more pain makes the game all that more fun.

PS could somebody answer my questions instead of questioning my motives:
1)Are the parts compatible with my gun
2)How would I rewire to the rear of the gun with the gearbox-http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=3602


SuperCriollo July 5th, 2009 01:01

or a you can buy a crosman springer in your local walmart. trust me being hit by a guy with a springer is worts than being hit bya a 600 fps bb.
just kiding
acuracy is your friend, upgrading the velocity of your gun doest make to much diference.
spend your money becoming a better player, playing more and practice nose and lip shot if you want to to hurt more lol

theguy July 5th, 2009 01:05

If i knew you were purposly aiming to cause me pain, i wouldnt play against you...

Sure, lip shot happen, but i know that they aren't intenional

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperCriollo (Post 1018883)
or a you can buy a crosman springer in your local walmart. trust me being hit by a guy with a springer is worts than being hit bya a 600 fps bb.
just kiding
acuracy is your friend, upgrading the velocity of your gun doest make to much diference.
spend your money becoming a better player, playing more and practice nose and lip shot if you want to to hurt more lol


SuperCriollo July 5th, 2009 01:11

im just saying that acuracy is better than high fps.

SuperCriollo July 5th, 2009 01:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by theguy (Post 1018886)
If i knew you were purposly aiming to cause me pain, i wouldnt play against you..


thats true

mkeras2 July 5th, 2009 17:11

well i'm not looking to damage/hirt people, and I know for sure that 400fps does not do more than leave a welt. I also like playing against people who have 400fps. I geuss your right about the jg gearbox, I geuss i'll save up for a systema. Also I haven't been to a field yet, I'm just getting into airsoft and I usually play in my backyard or backyards of friends-.

theguy July 5th, 2009 20:12

Systema mechbox's are over-rated.

If you really want 400 FPS, just install an M110 spring and a sorbo pad in your gun, thats about 20 bucks of parts.

Also, make sure your gun is well greased and shimmed

Evans July 5th, 2009 20:22

All you really need to upgrade your gun is a bigger/stiffer spring. However, this can and will put additional strain on your gears. Upgrading your spring will increase the rate at which your gun degrades.

Shaun655 July 5th, 2009 20:39

Upgrades using PDI springs
 
I recently did a rebuild of my G&G GR16 A3 full stock and when I did so I added a PDI 150% spring. It shoots around 423FPS with .2gram and 383FPS with a .25G. I know some people were talking of ordering from local shops, which for some stuff I agree is alright, but if you are ordering light and small items, order from China or Japan. I ordered spring, shims and 3 hop up buckings from Ehobbyasia.com and the shipping was 8.00USD and I never got hit with customs. Other advantage springs cost only 5-9.00USD same with other items, so you can avoid the Canadian markup.

I am going to order in the near future a PDI 140% spring to try to lower the FPS to 400 with a .2gram. Also one further note the Version 2 gear box was well built, properly shimmed and has bearings, ball bearing spring guide, ball bearing piston head, metal gears and box so if you are going to upgrade the G&G don't bother with anything but the spring and decent lubricant, granted though hop-up enhancements are a good idea, I installed 70 degree hard Guarder hop-up bucking since the velocity is getting kind of high.

theguy July 5th, 2009 23:44

Yes, thats true, but becarefull with velocitys that high. not only are they over most field limits in Ontario, Version 2 mechbox's are prone to breaking from velocitys that high (especially in the cold). Great way to help prevent a cracked mechbox? Buy and install a sorbo pad, they are about 12 bucks at airsoftparts.ca and will not only make your gun happier and longer lasting, it will make it quiter too.

As for buying small parts out of country? sure, maybe you save yourself a couple bucks, but i like to support the local guy, not to mention, airsoftparts.ca orders are usually at my house within 2 days.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun655 (Post 1019195)
I recently did a rebuild of my G&G GR16 A3 full stock and when I did so I added a PDI 150% spring. It shoots around 423FPS with .2gram and 383FPS with a .25G. I know some people were talking of ordering from local shops, which for some stuff I agree is alright, but if you are ordering light and small items, order from China or Japan. I ordered spring, shims and 3 hop up buckings from Ehobbyasia.com and the shipping was 8.00USD and I never got hit with customs. Other advantage springs cost only 5-9.00USD same with other items, so you can avoid the Canadian markup.

I am going to order in the near future a PDI 140% spring to try to lower the FPS to 400 with a .2gram. Also one further note the Version 2 gear box was well built, properly shimmed and has bearings, ball bearing spring guide, ball bearing piston head, metal gears and box so if you are going to upgrade the G&G don't bother with anything but the spring and decent lubricant, granted though hop-up enhancements are a good idea, I installed 70 degree hard Guarder hop-up bucking since the velocity is getting kind of high.


B_s1de July 6th, 2009 00:30

The only way I think of, when getting a second gearbox, would be as a direct drop-in replacement or as spare parts incase your originals break.

Like everybody else said, you're better upgrading with a sorbo pad, new spring, hopup rubber, tight bore barrel, 9,6volts battery for more ROF, silencer to hide a longer barrel, etc.
Go for accuracy, but not the sniper type. You're still with an assault rifle.

IMO, you'll not really hurt more with a higher FPS. People wearing big CIRAS and such will not "fear" BBs hitting 3 or 4 layers of cordura (probably add false plates or soft foam).

Think that's all

mkeras2 July 6th, 2009 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun655 (Post 1019195)
I recently did a rebuild of my G&G GR16 A3 full stock and when I did so I added a PDI 150% spring. It shoots around 423FPS with .2gram and 383FPS with a .25G. I know some people were talking of ordering from local shops, which for some stuff I agree is alright, but if you are ordering light and small items, order from China or Japan. I ordered spring, shims and 3 hop up buckings from Ehobbyasia.com and the shipping was 8.00USD and I never got hit with customs. Other advantage springs cost only 5-9.00USD same with other items, so you can avoid the Canadian markup.

I am going to order in the near future a PDI 140% spring to try to lower the FPS to 400 with a .2gram. Also one further note the Version 2 gear box was well built, properly shimmed and has bearings, ball bearing spring guide, ball bearing piston head, metal gears and box so if you are going to upgrade the G&G don't bother with anything but the spring and decent lubricant, granted though hop-up enhancements are a good idea, I installed 70 degree hard Guarder hop-up bucking since the velocity is getting kind of high.

Thank you very much, this was very helpfull

mkeras2 July 6th, 2009 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by theguy (Post 1019323)
Yes, thats true, but becarefull with velocitys that high. not only are they over most field limits in Ontario, Version 2 mechbox's are prone to breaking from velocitys that high (especially in the cold). Great way to help prevent a cracked mechbox? Buy and install a sorbo pad, they are about 12 bucks at airsoftparts.ca and will not only make your gun happier and longer lasting, it will make it quiter too.

As for buying small parts out of country? sure, maybe you save yourself a couple bucks, but i like to support the local guy, not to mention, airsoftparts.ca orders are usually at my house within 2 days.

This was also very helpfull

mkeras2 July 7th, 2009 17:08

I have one more question:
Will this hop-up bucking work with my gun and will it help with accuracy?
http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...roducts_id=720

ujiro July 7th, 2009 17:12

Yes it will work, its just the small little nub. The H shape helps to provide an even friction across the top of the BB. What it will do is make your shots more consistent, from shot to shot. Which, basically amounts to accuracy. If the flight path of your BB is consistent, you can easily use it well.

mkeras2 July 8th, 2009 01:39

Thanks, how hard do you think it is to install?


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