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The real cost of Canadian 0.2g bbs
I've just recently been doing a bunch of research on bbs, and where to get high-quality ones for a decent price. I've done the math, and I've figured out the cost per shot for the following CANADIAN retailers: I personally believe in supporting these Canadian companies, although more expensive. These prices do not include any extra fees. This list is mostly for people who want small to medium amounts of general use 0.2 gram bbs at a time, from close, possibly local retailers.
- Velocity arms: 0.798 cents per shot - BB Bastard: 0.5 cents per shot - Airsoft Parts: 0.5 cents per shot - MTMFG: 0.479 cents per shot (Best deal for non-bio bbs, in general. Best deal for large orders, as low as 0.4 cents/shot) - Buyairsoft: 0.49 cents per shot (For 5000 count bag) - Mach 1 Airsoft: 0.6 cents per shot (Bio) - 007 Airsoft: 0.766 cents per shot (Averaged) - A&A Airsoft: 0.65 cents per shot (Averaged) Now, I have done a small amount of research on total costs. (Shipping, taxes, etc.). These are the most and least expensive out of what I just listed: Lowest Price - MTMFG - I am going to be getting all of my bbs from them. Here is what I will get, and what I think is a great deal: http://www.mtmfg.ca/product/metal-te...-pack-1737.cfm Highest Price - Velocity Arms - These bbs are highly recommended, but are extremely expensive. They are nearly double the price of Metal Tech BBs, and nearly EIGHT times the price of some over-seas high-quality bbs! Now, please, retailers, don't take any of this offensively, like I'm bashing you or anything. I'm simply stating the facts as they are. Once again, I hope all of you find this useful, and please comment, or ask questions if needed! Thanks |
Won't get me straying from the Bastards, period!
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A comparison is nice, just needs more details.
For example, you should compare other weights of BBs; I know that BB Bastard 0.25s are the same as the 0.20s, but other companies are more expensive. Also, while VA 0.20s may be the most expensive for a single bag, they are much cheaper if you do a large group order of 12+ bags (good for retailers, airsoft teams, etc), which end up costing only 0.464 cents/shot. Quote:
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Despite it not being listed, still gonna stick with Madbull, lol.
Nice to see such an elaborate comparison though, gives people a general bit of information that was otherwise not readily available. |
Metal Tech may be the cheapest... But I had probably close to 40 complaints of people having ridiculous jamming issues. I can't blame ALL of those on metal tech BB's due to the sandy environment... But after that experience.. Metal Tech BB's are a no-go for me.
It's too bad that the people @ Metal Tech have such great customer service and are very polite and easy to talk to :( they saved the day for me... But their product isn't very good :( |
I got 10 bags of Bastard .25's sitting in my room with me :)
I love them to death, er killing? |
BB Bastard ftw.
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BB Bastard .28 FTMFW. Never found anything else perform better than a .28 BB Special.
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No price reviews on your very own local retailer? :(
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Bastards are Win for sure, But, when looking at velocity arms prices, they are wayy cheaper if you buy them in bulk. It says so on their site.
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what about Cool Guy Airsoft and Shao Armory's Sekito BB's?
$15 for 4000 is a good price too! /shameless plug |
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Wait, Wait... You will sell me four thousand Dollars for only 15 dollars?! Sweet Jesus! Get me Some of Thats!! |
I'm sticking with the bastards :)
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Your too crafty for me, but not too crafty for batman.... |
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Please try to incorpirate a Time /repair/ cost valuation please. Cheap ass rice bag bb's jammin up my mags vs having zero frustrations spewing thousands of Lil' Bastards. My Airsoft time is worth more to me than saving .02 cents on a BB. Also realize that Shipping vs walk in purchase changes the cost per bb. Buy Quality everytime and you won't be disappointed, if the Bastards are cheap that's a perk.
The Bastard has a standing offer for the Brain BB. You won't find any deformed BB's in a Bag of Bastards. The only on that shows up is the brain BB. Its smaller than a regular bb and has a shrivelled brain looking pattern. There are less than one in 5million or so. If you get a BB Bastard Brain trade it into a Bastard Retailer for a free bag. These brains are usually found when leaving the barrel of your AEG. Its the on that heads for Jupiter, Totally ignores the hop up and in the right conditions smacks the shooter in the back of the head. Still causes no frustration to the player (except that you just missed out on a Free bag of Bastards lolz. |
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Never had a jam with any BB out West, Metal Tech, TM or Excel and it's super sandy & dry here. That's with blah blah blah tight bore, special hopup, various mags and brands of AEG and GBB pistols etc. 0.25s and 0.20s.
What I'd like to see from Metal Tech though is 0.28s. |
On the PC now, here's the link I referred to:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=51752 And here's another I use the 0.20g Bastards in (testing the new sniper ammo): http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=77799 |
you can buy a pair of bi-way running shoes for $8, or top quality asics for $150+. they may both be called running shoes, but they are not the same thing or 'equal' by any means. you get better performance out of top quality brands which put together a better quality product, this applies to airsoft bb's as well.
you can find cheaper bb's that will shoot out of your gun i agree, but in my experience your sacrificing quality and performance. more jams, feeding problems, and accuracy after the bb leaves the barrel. people spend so much money on upgraded springs, gears, barrels, scopes, etc. to improve performace. if you load your aeg with junk or low qulaity bb's, all the other upgrades in the world arent going to help you. you have to start with a reliable, and quality base for your gun which includes quality bb's. bb's are one of the cheapest parts of airsoft, in my experience if you pay for a quality brand you will be satisfied with the results. ive only every trusted two brands of bb's since i started playing airsoft over 10 years ago, excel, and bb bastard. both are worth the price. |
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Is this true about the brain bb thing cause i recently got a bag of .28's bastards and i got 3 of em in there not saying im pissed or anything like that but i was gonna show them to jay the next time im at a wolfpack game, I tried to take a pic of em but for some reason they always turn out blurry.hmmm free bags of bb's kinda like getting a prize in your bag or well 3 in my case....lol |
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Ever since i opened my first bag of Bastards I have not used anything else. I liked the product so much i became one of the Big Bastards.
people have asked for me to sell others but hard to go to another product when you sell the best airsoft bb on the market in the world to be honest. plain and simple i've seen metal tech jam up lots of guns come chrony time. @ games and shake my head and donate a bag so people don't get mad @ them for fucking there guns. and yes Jeroon is right about the brain bb as I have given out a free bag ask hazard. and on top of all that BB Bastards supports your Games with some major sponsorships. my 2 cents and this is not because I sell them it's because it's a proven fact that nothing touches the Quality or the price of a Bastard bar non. As for .28 bb's they are like gold, when you have people begging for them and doing pre order before the shipment is in it speaks for it'sself right there. |
Thanks for clarifying that Testtube ill be sure to bring them to the next LZ or wolfpack game think ill keep one seeing as they are exceptionally rare. i might have it set in glass or some other type show piece.
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I got 16k of madbull .25g BIObb (I shoot in the back yard, and like all guys I dont clean up I also got 10k rounds of TM bbs (freebie from Redwolf) |
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I have yet to get a brain and I've offered rewards to people for getting me a brain - one free bag per brain.
If you want to send them to me Spawn, I've been dying to get my hands on some. Let me know and if you give them to Jeroon, he'll trade you a bag of your choice for a brain BB. Jay Quote:
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I don't aim to be the cheapest, I try to be the best deal between price and quality, as I look at the cost of someone's gun getting jammed or pooched by oversized or badly formed BB. Putting aside accuracy, over time many little imperfections can affect your feedpath, leave material in your mags and guns, causing wear and tear and eventual failure. My first goal is to ensure the product is safe and that you can shoot it in the 10s of thousands of shots with minimal potential for damage or gun failure... |
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VA BBs in Toronto can be picked up locally for 0.004c/bb if you know where to look
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Calculators are included in Windows operating systems guys..... :D
It's .005 cents per BB. 0.005 X2000 = 10 or $10 |
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$10 = 1000 cents 1000 cents / 2000 BBs = 0.5 cents/BB. |
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"VA BBs in Toronto can be picked up locally for 0.004c/bb if you know where to look" He never said it was $0.004/bb. That would make it 0.4cents each. He states "0.004c/bb" meaning that 2000bb's would be a grand total of 8 cents. Edit: I'm well aware that he must've been talking about 0.5cents each. Just thought I'd point out the slight typing mistake :P |
yeah my bad :) $10 for 2500 BBs
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I have been using and selling Metal tech BB since 2006. My team and a lot of player here in QC are using MEtal tech... I have never experienced myself a BB jam or anyone from my team.
I have seen Misfeed in highly upgraded AEG over 400 FPS / Mostly Bolt Action. Don't forget that Metal tech is one of the Bigest BB, so too tight inner barrel who are dirty may cause jam. I have sold over maybe 300 + bag in the past, and have seen myself maybe 10-12 bb jams, in 400 + fps airsoft gun. Almost all bb brand have some problem at one time. Metal tech, BB bastard and airsoft elite are still my favorites. JF |
Metal tech
Yup I having been using Metal tech since they started never had a jam, pretty much all the players in our area use them and never had an issue, that was a result of the bb. Dirty weapons, bad mags torn hop-up etc, but not the bb.
But having said that I traded for BB bastards so I could try them out had no problems with them either. |
I guess this would be off topic, but following a sub-topic within the thread.
Well, I must say I have only shot about 1000 rounds and have already found a *Brain. It was a lucky find as it was the last BB to into a mag from a speed loader. I have a pic of mine that I will pop up later. Am I to understand that damage could happen because of *Brains? to rip the hop-up bucking, dust up the hop-up or barrel? I wonder if MetalTech extends the same *Warranty for *Brains. I doubt I would reach out for the offer as I know that manufacturing process of such small items cannot be perfect and that these annomolies will happen. I got me an albino chipmunk brain. I am looking forward to when BB Bastards are available and picking up a few bags. I have been buying MetalTech .25g @ $0.0067 per BB and BB Bastards look to be $0.005 per BB from ASC, before shipping. Is there anybody on the West Coast/Vancouver that is a distributor or BB Bastards? |
Brains are generally surface imperfection only and are always slightly smaller in diameter than a regular BB, so there is little to no chance for it to mess up your feedpath or gun. I just got the two from Spawn28 and one of them is about 40% brainy and the other one has some dark streaks and is borderline brain - I'm honoring both of them with free bags of course but neither one of these would damage a gun - if you shot 5000 of them all at once? Yeah, you'd probably chop a little and need to clean your gun, but, it would have to be seriously brainy (80% all around perhaps) and they happen so rarely there is little chance of that.
Congrats to Spawn28. Brain BBs are pretty much unique I think due to BB Bastards manufacturing process. I've never heard of any other brand having them. |
I have a BBB brain sitting on my desk... it's too cool to send in! :P
I've been hanging on to the thing for almost 2 years lol. |
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Nothing wrong with Bastards but during one of the shortages I got some Madbulls and they've worked great in everything I have so I haven't had to buy anything else since.
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Got Age verified by J
I use BB's from J I will not accept any substitutes. BB Bastard for life ! |
I've tried a variety of brands, and have only really stuck with metal tech bb's. BB bastard just doesnt have good consistency when it comes down to it. Plus the price and deals that MT has, you cant beat em.
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Bought some MT off Amos back at Claybank and never again will I use them with a tight bore. Too random for my vsr's 6.01. BBbastards are the only brand that go threw it without jamming every so often. The only time I use the MT is in the grenades to use them up lol.
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Although I don't 100% blame the jamming problems people were having on MT BB's.. the environment was SUPER dusty and I know that was causing a couple problems for a few people (I cleaned their barrel and they didn't have anymore problems with the MT BB's) But... Yea, I sadly wont be selling MT BB's anymore :( I need a product that works 100% of the time... ALL the time! |
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I was firing them just fine through my PDI 6.01 in my VSR... |
The biovals were designed with tight bores in mind. chopping and jamming are drastically reduced.
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it's funny how the subject of this thread changed so dramatically.
As for me, I say BB bastards are the way to go, except when the whole country doesn't have 1 single bag in stock. :-( |
For the most part it doesn't matter, bb's arrive in country in rice sacks and are dolled out in personalised packaging. Nothing "revolutionary" about the product or procedure. Anyone can contact spartan imports with a buisness licence and set up to be a wholesaler of excel bb's...and you can get them in bulk packs, and stuff them into ziplocks and call them whatever you want.
Cost is a factor of supply and demand. |
It's funny how the Metal-Tech BBs seem to be getting a bad rap lately.
I bought over 2 cases of them back in early 2007, and those sat at the retailer since perhaps late-2005 or 2006 at the latest. They were the only BBs out of 2-3 others that would feed and perform flawlessly in the PTWs. Madbull (economy ones) chopped like crazy, KSC Perfect were terrible, Excel were terrible. I did not try anything made after that, as I had over 100K rounds and still had about 25K left when I moved to the Madbull IPSC 0.30g. This goes to show that even different batches, perhaps soruced differently or using a different process can have dramatic differences. If you find a BB you like, buy a case of them, if you buy a bag or 2 at a time, be prepared to deal with issues due to batch/tolerance differences on an ongoing basis. |
How do you test wether or not you like the "batch" of BB's without buying one or two bags? Or are you referring to different brands
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He means, if you buy a bag or 2 and like it, then go and immediately buy a whole case of it.
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Oh okay. That's actually a smart idea, thanks for the information.
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In regards to consistency - BB Bastard brand BB products are often offered because they are a predictably performing product. Much like how Coke always tastes like Coke and Pepsi tastes like Pepsi, BB Bastard has its own custom manufacturing to specifications unique to our brand. We don't ricebag product and we don't have multiple suppliers, so our product is consistent and predictable, which is what an airsofter wants. Consistency of product is critical to both the novice player and the multiyear vets. AEGs and AEPs and PTWs are often tuned to precise tolerances and because the BB Bastard BB is the same from batch to batch and bag to bag, matching your airsoft gun to your ammunition when that ammunition is the same in weight, diameter, polish, density and balance, repeated optimal and consistent performance is assured.
So, with BB Bastard you don't have to worry about inconsistency between batches. |
i dont think i have been as happy with any other ammo as much as i have been with bastards! metal tech BBs where meant for use in a stock barrel as they are slightly larger than 6mm. as soon as you try to use a MT with a tight bore, your going to get issues. MT are awesome for what they are designed to do, which is get better accuracy out of a wider barrel. BBbastards are just great all around! never had a jamming issue, and they are all very consistent. i have a brain sitting on my table atm, its about 60% of the bb, but i will not give it away, its far to cool. one brain out of 2 seasons worth of bbs = quality!
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Anyone save some of the ones from Claybank that caused all the headaches? I'll test some and see if they feed. |
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I've used almost exclusively metal tech BB's, and have gone through maybe 50,000 to 100,000. I have had one jam in this time, which may or may not have been metaltech's fault. (probably was a deformed BB) I love Metal Tech BBs. |
Yeah I've found the opinions on MT BBs to be pretty polarized.
When they work, they work like a dream and people love them. When they don't, they generally don't work at all, and just get crazy jamming issues. So, I might give them a try, just to see, because if I luck out and they work well on mine, then there you go. However, I do find that for myself, BB Bastards have been the most consistent BBs. They are always the exact same and the quality is outstanding. I have no personal experience with MT so I can't comment. |
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no issues with prom 6.03 or madbull6.03 either. Tightbore does not affect jamming. |
I used Metal Tech as the first bb's for my PTW. Worked perfectly for the 3 bags. Bought 2 more bags, it was a nightmare.
Switch to BB Bastards, never had a single problem. Now using BB Bastards on my GBBR, no problems. |
I'm BB bastard exclusive (will use madbulls when I can't get any bastards however). Biggest and only reason i won't use metal techs is the higher shipping cost (since it has to cross the country to get to me) and longer waiting period for shipping.
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This should be revised/edited, due to the new prices of velocityarms... now at www.torontoairsoft.com.
2500 .20 - $9.95 2000 .25 - $9.95 Half of what it was before! |
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Even cheaper :)
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Prices are still higher than what they are in the U.S. I know many teams that buy their BB supplies strictly from the U.S.
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=2768 I usually go with TSDs and I have bought from anywhere from $12-$16 a 5000 count bag from various US stores. In Canada it'll cost you about $10 more (plus $10 shipping) for the same thing so in effect, it'll end up to be $20 more expensive and that difference is almost an extra bag. To be fair, if I was actually living in Edmonton I'd probably just pop over to Capital Airsoft and pick up a few bags in person as the savings on shipping makes up for the cost difference to me. $25 for pickup is excellent value! |
Cheapest is not always best....
I will stick to Bastards for now they don't jam my guns and Amos always has em |
xtreme tactics in winnipeg sells tons of bbs there house brand is airsoft elite and they sell for $20 4000rd .20g
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Bastards are also $10 for 2000 count in .20 and .25
I don't think many people use .20 BB's outdoors... infact, most people are using .28's |
I see a lot of new players in this thread, or, at least a lot who are new to ASC.
BB prices are remarkably consistent accross the board. You have to keep in mind there are qualitative differences between brands. Wholesalers can make choices when sourcing their BB products and one of those choices has to do with how the BB is made and the end result. You can buy bulk ricebag product and its lower priced than higher quality BBs - the differences are subtle, such as polish, seams, material binders, the BB material itself and the manufacturing process (extruded versus formed) and the end result is there is no free lunch. If you're paying less, I am pretty sure, you're getting less quality. Perhaps that doesn't matter to you depending on your AEG and whatnot, but if you do, make sure you try a few different suppliers so you learn the differences and make an informed decision. Caveat Emptor. |
Does anyone know the quality of G&G 5.95 mm's?
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Ive tried Metal techs, they work great on TM stock inners, Ive had some issues with my Tightbores. Ive tried Madbulls (because at the time they sold .25's at the same price as their .2's and they were cheaper than Bastards. I used them for a while, but then started getting issues (entire bags would jam INSIDE double stack AEG Magazines). I found this odd suspecting that perhaps my magazine needed cleaning but after stripping it down and completely cleaning and reoiling with no success and trying it in over 12 other mags (M4, MP5 etc). I found that with Madbull, when one in a batch was bad, the ENTIRE batch was bad. There were times i had to trade my madbulls to people with single stack mags (which they worked fine in). Nowadays, .25's are the same price as .2's with Bastards. I havent had any BB releated feeding issues with any of them so far. |
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