Sig 556 vs H&K 416
 

Cant decide which to buy, any input would be greatly appreciated :)

Whichever you like better?

Sig556 is V3 mechbox so probably beefier.

Also depending on which brand of gun you buy, and how much money you're willing to spend upgrading...

Out of the box, which performs better? and which company makes the best model? ICS? G&G? CYMA? there are so many diff models. i will spend 350 to 450, and i dont feel like upgrading right away.

You just asked two contradicting questions. You have to pick a brand before you can compare guns.

Mind me asking on where you plan on getting one?

the V2 Jing Gong HK416 comes with mosfet so yea it's a good buy. Gun is pretty solid too.

Why dont you start off by filling out your profile such as location so we can help direct you to the proper information better.

Also you will have to look into getting Age Verified if your 18+ and here in Canada.

From my understanding of the SG556, the only makers are CYMA (although there has been allot of debate on whether CYMA actually makes it) and the King Arms. Between those two the KA is the obvious choice.

For the 416 you have the options of DBoys, Jing Gong, and the discontinued VFC. If you can get your hands on a VFC, then its the obvious choice.

For the high-end of each you will be looking at closer to $600-$800. If this seems to high then you can just save up your money as buying the cheaper clones isn't always a good idea. Try looking up the reviews for each of the guns and make the decision for yourself.

mach1airsoft,section8,buyairsoft.ca. There are many places to get them from. I guess im asking which company makes the best model of each gun, then have the two best compared. the prices seem to be quite similar.

Sig= cunt to work on. Fire selector alone will drive most people nuts. Many gun docs will charge extra
416= super simple to strip, more readily available mags and parts, thus more options.

416 all the way

Im 24 in Hamilton Ontario. The closest place to get AV'd is in toronto (as far as i can tell) its not easy for me to get their with work in all. Im new to this and am just looking for my first gun. I was looking at a SR 23 URX, but couldnt find anywhere to get one, so i decided on getting one of the two in discussion. The model of each is the real question. I would prefer the sig, but from what ive seen, the CYMA model doesnt look so good.

here is the thing. if you have cash, these are the best in their fields:

556 = G&G. Ive read a lot of good reviews about it. Looks like a solid build and a great gun. upgraded, the thing should shoot real nice

416 = VFC (Vega Force Company). This company makes the best 416 hands down. you wont be disappointed. Stock, it will serve you well (probably better than G&G). Once upgraded, it doesn't matter. It all depends on the upgrades you put into each.

Its not that solid. I have wobble between the upper and lower receivers.

G&G doesn't make a 556, only CYMA and King Arms.

There's the Hurricane kit for the 416 also, discontinued but used ones crop up from time to time.

I have the VFC 416 and it's my hands down favorite.

You've got the 550 on your mind, my friend.

I would say JG HK416 as well, although if you go for the newest version, it may end up costing over 450, and if you buy the old versions, there are wobble problems.
But really though, the newest version is worth it.

VFC will probably be way over your budget.

ah sorry, my mistake :)

still to the OP, give it a look. it might fit your bill.

I think the VA 416 is probably goona please you the most. For a first gun you run the perks of everyone knowing where to find things and how to help. The SIG is nice if you wanna keep it stock, but cyma stock?

CYMA makes some good stuff, don't be so quick to dismiss them. It's not like they aren't TM compatible internally anyways, so when a problem arises (and it probably will), it should be an easy enough fix.

Yeah, recent CYMA stuff has been really impressive. I have one of their Galils in stock and it's a really solid gun.

Mach1airsoft sells 416s??

No. It's Velocity Arms. But I wouldn't buy from any of those stores except Mach1.

OP: Do a search about S8 and BuyAirsoft. Neither are actually recommended.

If you're looking for a HK416, VA is your only way to go. They also employ an age verification system, so be prepared to show ID (except unless you're AV'ed here). But I PM'ed the owner and he said those VA416's aren't going to be in for another month or so. I'd PM him and ask him to put a deposit on one if you really want one. Or go classifieds.

As fas as I know they don't... And those retailers he listed above, Section 8 is sketchy at best and they never have anything in stock. If you want something, you have to pay for it, then hope they get it across the border for you. If it gets seized you just wasted your money. And as for Buyairsoft and Mach1, both of those retail in Cansoft only guns.

No one has mentioned the CA blowback version of the 416. Looks nice. Would definitely be over a $450 budget though.

http://hotspotairsoft.com/catalog/images/416bb.jpg

Also, not to hi-jack the thread, but are the 8mm bearing gearboxes really much better than using bushings?

I couldnt find the HK416.

So from what i gather, VelocityArms is the only reliable web site. As oppose to S8, or Mach1? when i get AV'd, are here any advantages to the classified's? wouldnt everything on there be used?

No not everything is used. Some people sell guns that are NIB (New In Box) LNIB (Like New In Box) or barely used. But used isn't a bad thing usually since most guns need a breaking in period before they perform at their peek. And you will also get extras usually, such as quality batteries (not the crap ones new ones come with), extra mags, optics, upgraded parts, etc...

And you won't have to deal with the half clear bullshit you get full black full metal evil goodness from reputable brands like TM, G&P, CA, etc...

If you will only want to deal with new guns, theres always a retailer or two that will do custom orders, and these fellas you will only find in the AV sections.

You have nothing to lose by getting AV'ed.

Sounds like i really need to get AV'd,lol. Does it cost money? do you know anything about the SR-25 URX?

no Mach 1 is reliable as well as Velocity arms, both have active and respected members here on this board. we have both used and new some private sales some retailers.

So can Mach1 or VA do custom orders? If i want a certain gun, and they dont carry it, can hey order it from somewhere else? can stores like those order from the states or asia, where as a single person cannot? that whole wholesale liscence thing?

Those two no not that I know of but after you get verified there are some one or two that will but be warned it takes time + money and they will sometime only do custom orders every so often.

so what do you think about my original question? which gun(and model) do you think is better, without upgrading?

416.

this would be my choice as well, but which brand I could not answer, it is not on my to buy list so I have not researched any.

For sure the 416. Parts are a lot easier to obtain due to its inherent Armalite platform. And when I said Velocity Arms's HK416, its under the "custom line" link in AEG's. But honestly, that gun costs $350. If you decide to go with a metal body, chances are that'll run you up to $200. So...close to $600 total. For that you can get a retailer to get a full metal gun in for you. It might take a bit longer but its well worth it.

And no, AV'ing doesn't cost money. Just need a valid ID.

Thanks! from what i asked about the 416 and the 556, you can see what style of gun im after. Any sugestions to some i might not have seen? i was looking at the V4-S system, they all kinda seem the same, i know there not, but visually i like this style. Any other sugestions guys?

Hmm, the 556 and 416 are pretty different guns, but I'd stick to the 416. The M4S isn't too bad. Honestly between the 416 and the M4S I'd go with the 416. A lot of M4's out there, and the 416 just stands out =)

can i get a 416 full metal in canada? would probably run me like $500? or more? all the ones i see online have clear or inted plastic recivers :(

Yes once your AV you can get a full metal 416. $500 sounds like a good place to aim for. Some could be more, some could be less. Only way to know is to get AV. No it does not cost anything for the AV process but it will cost you thousands in the long run with airsoft purchases, as the airsoft addiction makes heroin look like childrens tylenol. Those retailers you mentioned don't sell non-clear guns, but there are a couple in the AV section of retailers that do sell full black, full metal guns at a higher premium of course.

I wouldn't hesitate to talk with the guys at Section 8. People have said repeatedly in this thread that they are "sketchy" but no one who has posted here has ever bought a black airsoft gun from them as far as I can tell (if I'm wrong, correct me please). That makes their opinions on the topic worth as much as a pile of cow dung. Also, Section 8 DOES NOT import any black airsoft guns on their own; all of their guns come from a source WITHIN Canada. They ask for payment up front because they don't want people ordering guns left and right and then not paying/picking them up when they arrive. People are right however in saying that they don't carry much in stock; that's more of a cash flow decision though.

If you like the 416, get the 416. I own a CYMA/Sig 556, and yes, its made by CYMA. It's very well made, very solid, and it chrono's about 370 stock with .20gr BBs. The only knock on it is the rear sight, which is a small flip-up affair that is recessed into the top rail. I put a King Arms EO Tech clone on it, and everything works great. So far, 100,000 rounds without a hiccup.

In the end, buy from whomever makes you comfortable, gets you what you want, and makes the process the easiest it can be for you. Good luck!

Well, most of us say S8 is "sketchy" simply because they offer full black guns within Canada, and they are a paintball shop. Some people have said they smuggle their guns across the border to get them in here. So I don't know how true that is, but given that some people actually have done some digging, I'm willing to save my own money and go with safer alternatives.

OP: Go with the classifieds, if not, the AV retailers. Lot's of goodies there.

Well in my opinion the 416 and the m4S are the way to go, get some paint and enjoy your new gun that will never weigh you down while in game:) That said, you seem to like the heavily railed guns. Is that what you want? Lots'o Rails? In that case the M4S has two stubby rails and a third longer rail with full through top rail. The 416 has full rails on the sides and bottom, and though it looks like two peices, I bet the top rail is full through aswell.

The SIG is a pain to work on for the series, but I have not seen the 556 in its STANAG ready reciever. It would be a world of a difference to me if it was easier to dissassemble. About S8, call them get your questions aired out and forget these people that are speculating. They are the local shop here and they treat people right (paintballers can be good people too).

You nailed it! I like heavily railed guns. i guess the sig is unanamusly to complicated, so the m4 series is what i will probably look at. The A&K DPMS M4 Carbine S.I.R. looks pretty bad ass, as well as the G&G PM416-S. Any thoughts of thoses?

I can't speak to the G&G 416 as I have never owned or handled one. I will say that G&G guns in general are of very good quality. I have had other models that had "demons" out of the box, but it is rare.

As for the DPMS M4 S-System, there are two versions, one made by A&K with a metal upper receiver and one made by JG with an all-plastic body. Internally, I like the JG better (better quality components). Velocity-wise, the JG guns tend to chrono a bit higher (usually in the 375-390 FPS range with .20gr BBs versus 360ish for the A&K). The A&K version does have the metal upper, which is very important to some people.

If you are planning to do some basic upgrades, I would opt for the A&K version. If you are planning on using it stock for quite a while, go with the JG version.

You can tell the two versions apart by the color of the receiver, straight black is the A&K, while the JG has a gray color to the receiver. Good luck and enjoy!

Don't bother with BuyAirsoft. They have horrible reviews and occasionally one random person will have a good deal. They also have a 20 day wait. (at least). Plus the G&G416 isn't a 416. The 416 does NOT have a triangular front sight. Plus there are no markings.

Trust me. If you're going with the 416 you won't regret it. There are several versions (at least for AV'ed people; DBoys, JG, VFC). They are worlds apart from most of the Clearsofts.

The VA416 is a good alternative if you have something wrong with AV'ing. But then again they're not in stock. Just get AV'ed. Really.

BTW, the 416's better because its got a continuous top rail, all the way back to the charging handle. Much easier to adjust sights and scopes. The other three rails are normal length.

The VA series is a bargain you wont find anywhere else. You get a reputable product (check the hammer test) that is consistant with the internals. No one else can get that price on that quality, G&G included. If you like the M4-S do not buy A&K from S8 as the internals are garbage plastic as brittle as a candy cane from 1999. If you like the 416 and go G&G (they do have nice product) be prepaired to replace piston head, had two fellas that we did this for smile for weeks:) That said look at some pimped pics of those models and choose. You'll love the one you get, thats what always happens as long as it shoots nice.

To be honest your choice between the two would come down to your personal preferences. I would seriously recommend you'd go with what look you feel most comfortable with, and then have a look at which ones (within your budget limits) that has the highest quality externals. This is because it's always easy to swap the internals if they're bad or need replacing. The externals is always what you're stuck with, and upgrading them can prove to be costly if even possible. Many manufacturers aren't that compatible when it comes to externals, and such replacement parts aren't always that common.

For internal upgrades, you shouldn't worry too much. Sure there are more Armalite-type parts available, but replacing everything inside the SIG should prove to be quite easy aswell. The KA 556 even uses an Armalite-type hop-up unit. The fire selector-assembly isn't as bad as people would want it to be. If you know your way around with a screwdriver, then you can't get it wrong. It's really self-explanatory, tho I will admit it can be annoying the first time or so. What you also get with the SIG is none of the v2-related design flaws. Takedown-wise, there are always differences from brand to brand, although many things are similar for the most. The price you pay for slightly more annoying takedown at the fire selector, is that you get a ambidextrous fire selector, and in my opinion a better one that what you find on the v2 gearboxes.

If you can get your hands on a VFC HK416 then I can tell you it's SWEET!!! This is especially the case with the externals, but the internals will also hold for a while. I'm not really impressed with what VFC choose to put inside their guns, but that can easily be replaced when needed.
For budget-416's I'd recommend the Jing Gong FB6621. It's just amazing what JG managed to squeeze into a gun at that prize! It even comes with a mosfet (non-braking) and is of course full metal.

If you want a 556, then the King arms one comes with electrical blow back! (can also be disabled if desired) It has high quality internals and externals. You can get it with the civilian-style handguard, or with the front RIS handguard. It's also available in a shorty version that I would personally go for if I didnt love my 552 that much. The shorty only comes with a RIS handguard as far as I know. Sadly the good looking stock on these guns have some vobble. Of course it allows for fast stock adjustment, but mostly it'll probably annoy you. Magwell is also slightly tight for certain STANAG mags.
For more affordable versions there's the Jinpeng, which I personally know very little about. All I know is that it's full metal, and can probably be expected to be on par with most current ACM-clones. Only specualtions about quality tho!
The Cyma version I've yet to get my hands on, but newer Cyma guns have proven to be quite good! Do some research if you consider any ACM-clones anyways.