Holy shit, the clone Elcan Spectre DR is almost here ...and for $149
 

Hmm... black

http://www.ebairsoft.com/ebairsoft-e...pe-p-2834.html

http://www.brotherprice.com/ebphoto/...0scope%20b.jpg

http://ron.outcrop.org/images/steam.jpg

Fancy...

Damn, why did I just buy a 4x flip to side magnifier and eotech. I should have bought this instead!!!

Very nice !

why does the scope have smoke coming out the top in one pic?

Does the scope come with the 4-8-4?

Well with the clones, the overheating and the shorting of the red dot electronics is a widely known issue, which is the major cause of thick choking black smoke spewing out from the unseen opening of the Spectre DR clone.

Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit!!

I am totally buying one the day it comes out!

Too bad they don't come in tan :\

EDIT:

Hang on.. I think its just a 4x scope. The page doesn't say anything about the 1x/4x switching ability...

Bleh.

Ah! Makes perfect sense now! :D

Any idea when they will be available?
I hope they are not a POS...

Incredible, now hopefully the quality is gonna be worth the price!

I'm tempted!

Its about time. thats all i have to say.

in the one picture, it shows two different levels of magnification. i think this clone will possess the 1-4 magnification ability

Look carefully. The two shots are actually the same magnification. Theres no way that the cardboard box is 4 times bigger in one of those shots then it is in the other.

Pretty sure in those pictures, they are showing the two different colored reticules.

And maybe stepped forward a bit for the next picture..

The camera is closer to the scope in the second picture

I noticed it only says:

"4X Magnifier Scope with red / Green Illuminated crosshair"

I don't see any mention of the two rifle sights in one which the RS Specter DR has and can be switched instantly from a 4x long-range sight to a 1x wide field-of-view CQB.

Has anyone emailed EBairsoft for more info?

Neat :)

anyone know if this thing has some sort of Rubber coat?

when will this be rdy

Very, very tempted!

To answers some of the questions:
-Fixed 4x magnification
-Red/Green dot
-No rubber coat

I've emailed Paul for more info.

Theirs a 1x-4x one also. Cost $2000ish ;)

Nice clone can't wait for a review :D

btw, a question about the real one, does it have unlimited eye relief in the 1x mode? or is it like other multi-power 1x-something optic that still has a set eye relief in 1x?

This doesn't seem to have 1x, only 4x

And I can only hope the eye relief is better than the ACOG

I'm thinking its just a matter of time before someone (I'm thinking G&P or KA) come out with a better version.

when i got to play with a real one im pretty sure it had unlimited in 1x but this was like 8 months ago and i may be wrong

Cause the Eotech flip to side one looks 10 times more awesome. And with a touch of a button it goes to 1x zoom as opposed to touching weird nubs and dials.

Hum, no. On the Elcan, that's a simple 'switch' on the left side of the optic. Not 'weird nub and dials'.

Yeh, but you can't even do it with the clone haha. I'll stick with my Aimpoint and magnifier!

Available now, clearly says on the page now "Only 4X fixed !!! can not change from 1x to 4x"

I guess a lot of people asked! :)

There is another version that is 1x to 4x. The expensive one.

The real one doesn't... why would the replica?

Because of the magnifying optics and the switching prism, you're still looking through tubed lenses (more than two), so there is a limited eye relief. The upside is that it's exactly the same distance between 1x and 4x mode, so you do not have to adjust shooting position. If you move your eye beyond the eye relief position, you'd get the halo shadow in your view - just like with a 4x scope optic.

1x:
http://www.pbase.com/illusive_airsof...4/original.jpg

4x:
http://www.pbase.com/illusive_airsof...2/original.jpg

Actually, you just push one lever to switch modes.

See the lever below the "4x 1x" markings? It's currently pushed to the "1x" side:

http://www.pbase.com/illusive_airsof...9/original.jpg

It's in stock... Anyone, anyone? lol

Looks like this is replacing the susat on the l85

I'm waiting on the first reviews before grabbing one, but it's on the list

Urgh i'm so tempted in buying one but i'm scared its a POS...

I'm gonna wait for a better clone (that also does 1x). Otherwise it's just another ACOG.

BLING version

http://www.brotherprice.com/ebphoto/...e%20de%20a.jpg

So it still has the eye-relief of a mag optic in 1x mode...much like the 1x-4x(analogue, not discrete) type shortdot then....

wheres the version that handles 1x and 4x how much more is it?

That's nice that that they've put out a DE version, but the finish looks pretty shitty... At least, trades look very good and complete.

http://www.waridiot.org/index_eprodu...products_id=59

A search here on ASC would have brought you 2-3 threads about it. 570$+shipping.

I'm very tempted, but I know that at least 2 plants in China were working on it, including one that is supposedly doing two versions (a "budget", probably fixed magnification version and a second, "high grade" version which will probably have both).
This is probably one of the two plants mentionned, so there's at least another one that was coming soon... (got this info on some chinese forum.... so don't take that as 100% accurate, but it is plausible).

And there's also the taiwanese Monda International, but I can't seem to be able to reach them anymore.

There isn't one yet. I'm sure they're working on one so in time...

There IS one, as Conker posted just before you.

about 1/4 the price of a real one :P

Just for people who don't know a Spectre DR will cost ya $2k, the clone was advert about $450.

For number crunching firearm sights are as followed for comparision:
EOTech $500+
Aimpoint $400+
Trijicon ACOG 4X $1300+
Elcan SpectreOS3.4 (aka C79) $1100

•Only 4X fixed !!! can not change from 1x to 4x

defeats the purpose. boo urns

Yes... the real steel one is like this. No idea about the clones.

i know the lack of 1x sucks but... theyre still sexy. and available now.
going to get one soon. might do a small review if anyones interested.

Just got that:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/attachm...1&d=1264822974

They told me it's the sample that they took the pictures with, so I don't know if there will be trades on the final version. I will let you know as soon as I get more info.

Awesome, any indications of pricing?

Nope unfortunately, all they have yet is this prototype. My contact on that is a distributor, so they will sell it to shops for retail... thus these will set the retail price themselves.

I do have more/bigger pics of their prototype... I'll post them when I'll have some time.

They're back from the Chinese new year holiday, so I'll try to see if there's news on it.

Nice, just in time!

I've just been told they should begin to stock them within about a month.

More info coming this week as they're restarting the office after the holidays. I'll keep you updated!

OK... got word of the wholesale price. I won't say it exactly out of respect for the retailers, however I wouldn't expect the retail price to be under 300$ CAD.

I was thinking of selling my 2 EOTech clones and my magnifier to get it, but damn at that price... I'm not sure anymore. I guess I'll hope someone else buys it so I can get convinced I really need it :P

Should be instock at said supplier this week or next and shipping shortly later...

Pictures of the final version coming very soon (for now I've just got the prototype), so I'll let you know.

Still beats the price of a real one and that other repro.

All depends on the quality though. I don't mind paying if its good glass, etc. But if its crappy Chinese glass that's blurry around the edges and has shit for eye relief, i'll put the money towards a real Eotech or something.

OMFG. I LOL'd when I saw that too. I ROFL'd when I read this post. And as I was LMAO'ing, I gave up reading beyond the first page.

However, awesome find, Qlong.

Any word on these?

Nope... I've been told within a week, but no news since... I'll post here as soon as I have something, just nothing yet.

Tagged for interest....These are some images of my real Specter DR...tested at a 20m indoor range.

http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/coffee/p...%20(Large).jpg

http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/coffee/p...%20(Large).jpg

http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/coffee/p...%20(Large).jpg

http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/coffee/p...%20(Large).jpg

http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/coffee/p...%20(Large).jpg

http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/coffee/p...%20(Large).jpg

I saw someone with one yesterday at Z's game, perty :P

That was Souljah's I find the tan version a little shiny, needs a light coat of tan kylon on those parts :)

I never found the shininess to be too noticeable...

http://www.pbase.com/illusive_airsof...3/original.jpg

Geargasm

Is it possible to disable/remove the red/green dot and vertical reticule?

Anything can be done if you're persistent and know how to completely disassemble the assembly to do so. I hope you're skilled with optics and electronics. Besides that, there's no "easy" way to do it.

EDIT: Actually, there IS an easy way to disable the red/green dot: Remove the battery. :P

Phalanix or one of the other photographers had a snapshot of a the person who Souljah lent that particular gun to and the "gold" peices really stood out in an overcast lighting situation.

LOL!!!!!
Or a simpler way without doing anything, don't turn it on. ahaaha

Hi guys,

SpecterDR 1-4x will be released very soon.

As what I've been told it'll be told in 2-3 weeks, as most of you guys also has been told and heard.

I actually managed to get myself ONE of these sights and it's on it's way to me right now(!!!).

When I receive it I will post a review and pictures of it.

Keep an eye open here next week or so!

[zombi mode] PRIIIIIIIIICE.... [/zombi mode]

Now, seriously, if the regular elcan already costs 149$, how much will this 1-4X model be?

Thanks :)

It'll be somewhere around 150-190 dollars. Thier pre-order price is 180 I think.

Hope it includes shipping :lol:

Time to save (again)

Hi guys...

I've some bad news... Waridiot who was suppose to send me the 1-4x SpecterDR has sent me a 4x only sight...

The hole conversation we had on e-mail was specifically about the new version that had 1x and 4x zoom and not 4x and of course they sent me the wrong damn part...

I cannot understand how this is possible but it is. Funny thing is that I never during the hole conversation said Yes to the 4x Specter, never. Just questions regarding it and they replied "we got one in stock and it costs this".

Sorry guys for this it was never my attention to start a lie, only to get myself a cool sight and you some pictures until the final release will be available.

No problem jimmy, just give them hell and get your money back ;)

Problem is that I need an optic with 4x for greenside and an upcoming game so I can't really send it back.

Actually it looks a lot better than the G&P (and the rest of the ACOG for that matter) when it comes to optic and size of the optic so if I had to choose between the ACOG and this Specter I'd pick the Specter.

Well, Glad at least you are happy with the purchase :) but I will keep waiting for the 1-4x and see how good/bad it is :) or simply get this for short and long shooting. A bit big, but cool nonetheless :)

Saw that the other day. Almost look like the Nightforce sight.

Too bad me and my team do SEAL impression, otherwise that'd be a choice of course.

I will get it when I have money enough, fortunatly for me "im a free artist" :P

But sorry, im going a bit off topic here ^_^U

Anyone had the occasion to see that clone for real? I m looking at getting one, but I m curious about the quality, mainly optic wise,

Thanks

Ya im still holding out for a 1x-4x model. definetly on my purchase list if they come out with a tan or DE version

this is a nice unit but it is not adjustable it stays at 4x and cannot be set down to 1x 2x 3x

(lol at above poster)



Any updates on the 1-4x? Don't see even a preorder option anywhere :/

It's now 399$ on Waridiot for preorder, but that's all we have for now...

pretty expensive for a replica... IMO

mmm looks nice... :P but pricey ... :S

So noone has the 4x replica? I really want it, but not going to spend $150 for a shit one. Noone has reviews for it?

jimmysjogren's post on it http://www.taskforce11.com/?p=104#comments

Another review: http://www.redbadger.org/main/2010/2...ca-review.html

You might prefer buying from them, same price as EBB with the shipping, but MUCH better service, from what I've got so far: http://www.acmgear.com/product_info.php?products_id=524

Put shortly: it's a great optic.
The only real con is that it's 4X fixed.

What has put me off from buying one is that 4X is quite a lot... but I'd buy one in a heartbeat if there was a docter sight mount available for it.

I bought from ACMgear.com several times and yes, their service is TOP NOTCH, after dealing with them and EBB, Ebaybanned wont see a peny more from me :)

Lol i'll just buy a real EoTech with that money, no thanks o.O



You can buy a Docter mount for $70...http://swfa.com/Elcan-SpecterDR-Mount-P45973.aspx
But this assumes that you have a ACM docter sight that has those 2 screwholes, and god knows if they do or dont

The real one doesn't do 2x or 3x. The internal prism only flips it from 1x to 4x and back. It's not a linear adjustment like a long scope.

Surprised these are available now. They use to be limited to certain military units only.

The Tasco and the Samurai clones all fit the same mount.

Thanks man,

Just ordered one :)

Will share my experience with it!

Did you get iy from acmgear? please share your opinion about them too, I would like to know how they deal with high price orders :)

Thanks

Yea its too bad that the mount and the docter will end up costing more than the Elcan itself lol


And can you link to the Samurai clone? I can't find it anywhere, but i've never been especially talented with google :/

come onnn better clone :D

Well... real Doctersights have been difficult find these days, but if you can (probably won't be from the US), they'll cost anywhere from $400 to $900.
The clones aren't too expensive. The most expensive is the Tasco unit, which can be considered to be a real steel item sold by a couple of airsoft stores, and even that is just a touch over $200. I know from personal experience that this will fit the Elcan Doctersight mount.
Other "MRD" (Mini Red Dot) sights on the market that *may* fit Doctersight mounts are also on the market, and even the most expensive one is just a touch over $400USD. Such models would be the CMore STS, JP Enterprises, Safariland Spec Ops, Burris FastFire, Trijicon RedDot, Trijicon RMR Dual Illuminated, Laser Devices Sub-Miniature, Leupold DeltaPoint and Sightmark Mini Shot.

From that extensive list alone, you can tell that Doctersight really changed the industry. Even companies like LaRue have created specialized combat accessories for the MRD platform, such as this:

http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetac...Dots+%2F+Bases

As a tip, if you're buying for real steel use, you'll want a dot size around 7MOA. Anything smaller than.... let's say 5MOA would probably start to be too small for airsoft use.

The Samurai unit can be had for less than $150 if you can find it. These days, they're not as available as they use to be.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?p=130079

Scroll down a bit. Or Ctrl-F and enter "Samurai"

I've tested pretty much every single airsoft replica clone on the market, and the Samurai is probably the best one, at least most comparable to my extensive use with a real Doctersight. Very crisp dot, clean glass, and effective ambient light sensor.

Will one of these Specter DR replicas withstand the abuse of a GBBR rifle? I know when mounting a Aimpoint Micro T1 on a GBBR, they shake themselves to death...
Also a chance the glass might get shot-out. Any type of ARD device available yet to save the glass?

Real ARD's exist... I don't think it's been documented whether it will fit the replica or not.

http://www.pbase.com/image/124432907/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/image/124432909/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/image/124432908/original.jpg

Just ordered mine on ACM-Gear... let's see how it goes!

1x - 4x should come this summer. And there will be 2 factories make them. So hopefully the price can drop

Damn... Now I'm wondering if I should cancel my order and wait or what...

Huang, any idea on the price, approximately, and release? (this summer as in june or august?)

You sure about the x1-x4 ? The chinese ones I had in hand were only x4.

Lol, thats because they come out in the summer so you probably didn't see them :rolleyes:

They 1/4x will be $399 though. Not worth it, imo.
Especially considering the questionable durability of constantly switching between 4x and 1x RDS on a ACM, i think it would be more practical and more aesthetically pleasing to grab the $149 4x, get a mount for $70, and get a clone mini dot and you are talking anywhere from $260-360 depending on the ACM RDS you get on top, which is cheaper than the 1/4x.
More convienient too, imo


Of course thats a huge investment in itself lol, more expensive than a lot of people's guns -.-