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probst July 5th, 2019 19:38

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Originally Posted by Gerkraz (Post 2068192)
something MUST be different since the quality of the product is different. There have been several threads on the subject.

There is no possible way they can claim they didn't know this unless they are totally brain dead and have looked at literally nothing anyone has said about their garbage. It has been said many times in many threads on many different platforms. There is clear evidence they are not the same BBs, there is clear evidence they were were told this same stuff within days of reintroducing them, and there is clear evidence that their representatives are saying contradictory things such that at least one of them must be lying to customers. I believe it is a paintball company that took over, pulling a Valken like the typical greedy paintball company. I have seen nothing but bad things from paintball companies trying to move into airsoft, at best shitty products and at worst basically attempted scams.

pestobanana July 5th, 2019 22:04

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Originally Posted by Matt 'Maverick' Watts (Post 2068171)
The new management has not seen any data from you, ever. I confirmed this directly with said new management, who I personally know and trust.

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Originally Posted by Matt 'Maverick' Watts (Post 2068182)
My information is 100% accurate. That I can guarantee.
I even have confirmation that none of the ownership has received anything from you, through any form of communication.



Haha nice lie

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/search....rchid=18830138

https://i.imgur.com/E6OW7ct.jpg

Goldman July 5th, 2019 23:06

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Originally Posted by Matt 'Maverick' Watts (Post 2068171)
I can confirm that the current management is purchasing from the exact same manufacturer that the original management used. That was part of the agreement between the former and current management. In fact, it was the go-no go part of the agreement. If the same manufacturer was not used, with the original formulas, the former management would not sell.
The new management has not seen any data from you, ever. I confirmed this directly with said new management, who I personally know and trust.
If there is indeed an issue with the product, I can assure you that they will take the appropriate steps to rectify the issue.

OG management as in scarecrow? Because that BB Bastard was the tits.

kyle milliken July 6th, 2019 04:07

well since where pulling screenshots from old threads

https://i.imgur.com/wrCkDtm.png

lakonian says that he is with the company that owns the BBB name now and that a new to BBB factory is being used, matt says its the same old factory that was used in 2015? before BBB shut their doors.

whos right? and if lakonian is really involved in the ownership of BBB now, he was told that his new stuff is crap and not worthy of carrying the BBB name.

pestobanana July 6th, 2019 16:38

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Originally Posted by Matt 'Maverick' Watts (Post 2068171)
I can confirm that the current management is purchasing from the exact same manufacturer that the original management used. That was part of the agreement between the former and current management. In fact, it was the go-no go part of the agreement. If the same manufacturer was not used, with the original formulas, the former management would not sell.

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Originally Posted by Matt 'Maverick' Watts (Post 2068184)
That is exactly what the new company is doing. Not just same factory, but same formula that was used by the original company.

I can now confirm with 100% certainty that what you are saying is untrue.

I did a burn test, the BBs burn differently. The new ones melt faster and char black, they smell sugary when burnt. The old ones melt more slowly, forms a crust, and the char is turns black and then white. Smell is like burnt plastic/electronics.

I also did a heat test. The new BBs have a lower melting point and begin to bubble on the surface much sooner. They are also much softer at the same temperature. The old ones begin to deform at the seam and bubble much later, the bubbles are also bigger. They are also not as soft at the same temperature.

Here is a video of the heat test. I staggered the old and new so that uneven heating wouldn't significantly bias results.
https://youtu.be/D5ePYI-g3RM

hollywood... July 6th, 2019 17:07

Your turn Mav

pestobanana July 6th, 2019 19:56

Here's a burn test, you can obviously see that they react differently to flame as well.

https://youtu.be/LxOA2MjNGOk

Datawraith July 6th, 2019 20:31

Juuuuuuust to play devil's advocate (I know you probably checked this Z), both batches (new and old) are the same type of BB right (bio/non-bio)? I didn't see any markings on the bags indicating one or the other.

pestobanana July 6th, 2019 20:34

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Originally Posted by Datawraith (Post 2068248)
Juuuuuuust to play devil's advocate (I know you probably checked this Z), both batches (new and old) are the same type of BB right (bio/non-bio)? I didn't see any markings on the bags indicating one or the other.

Neither of them say bio. If the new BBB said bio that would be self incriminating because old BBB never made .3 bio.

Datawraith July 6th, 2019 20:37

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Originally Posted by pestobanana (Post 2068250)
Neither of them say bio. If the new BBB said bio that would be self incriminating because old BBB never made .3 bio.

Gotcha. Welp, everything you've done makes it pretty definitive... Guess we'll just wait and see what they say.

probst July 6th, 2019 20:55

Their website lists .3 bios and only lists bios: https://tieronearmamentstore.com/collections/airsoft

There is literally nothing the same about these BBs, they didn't even bother to package them in the same sort of bags and by count instead of kilo.

kyle milliken July 6th, 2019 21:08

im just gonna point out again one of the threads pestobanana linked and the screenshot i posted

lakonian the "business relationship manager" said in this thread that they are not using the same factory that original BBB used. https://airsoftcanada.com/showthread...=193906&page=2

pestobanana July 6th, 2019 21:15

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Originally Posted by kyle milliken (Post 2068253)
im just gonna point out again one of the threads pestobanana linked and the screenshot i posted

lakonian the "business relationship manager" said in this thread that they are not using the same factory that original BBB used. https://airsoftcanada.com/showthread...=193906&page=2

Yes I know that. Mav here though seems adamant that the product is the same. BB Bastard is also telling customers that their product is the same, so....

pestobanana July 6th, 2019 21:29

Two hours in acetone

https://i.imgur.com/Mjvurvb.jpg

Four hours in acetone

https://i.imgur.com/3HgABIg.jpg

New ones cracked and broke apart but remained in solid chunks. Old ones got stuck to the eachother at the bottom of the container and turned soft and squishy.

So is Mav gonna admit that he's full of shit now?

Gerkraz July 6th, 2019 21:37

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Originally Posted by pestobanana (Post 2068256)
So is Mav gonna admit that he's full of shit now?

Someone admit they're wrong? On the internet?!

Seriously though, the only thing that really matters is what the new owners of BBB will say/do faced with the evidence.


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