[VIDEO] Pine Plains 2, Fort Drum NY
 

Hey folks,

Here is the teaser for the Pine Plains 2 DVD.

[img]http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/ikCbyKld9dQ/default.jpg[/im"]YouTube - Pine Plains 2

Oh, that is so awesome. Wished we had more of that here. :(

Cool! You can see ACoy-1Pl-2Sq aka Force Recon between 38 - 48 seconds into the video and about the 1:05 mark! My 2 seconds of fame! I'm there at about the 42 and 48 second mark. :D

More of? Here I fixed it for you...

We could have been almost there with BW3, but the community collectively decided to drop trow and wedge its head in its own arse.

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You guys must have missed Claybank/ Mason Relic.

wait till you see the video!

After I posted here I went and checked the (claybank) forums...nothing!

When is it coming out?

Yeah Border Wars 3 scenario would of been just as outsatnding however the community was not willing to pay for a 2 day op. Looks like Krusty wants to take the Border Wars seris to United States. I plan on going on the next op Pine exercise on Labour Day weekend

Blame lazy, good-for-nothing chairsofters for that. Grrr.

R.I.P. BWIII

HS!!!!seems like a professional training place only for the army?

I tried to organise a similar milsim 3 years ago in a former Radar Bunker part of the Pine Tree-line radar defence bunkers of the cold war... The comunity crapped on us because it required purchasing tickets before the game date. That mixed with the land lord messing with our contract resulted in a lot of money lost and a major failure...

I learned that:

- People won't pay before the game day
- People won't sleep at the field, even if you provide hotel likes rooms with beds and other conforts
- People are cheap
- Chairsofters ruin the show.
- People are made of chocolat.

God, people whine so much that its everyone elses fault for the failures when it comes to airsoft when its the simple fact that its FUCKING AIRSOFT! This isn't the marines where you just tell people "Alright! You and you, game time." And then line up 200 guys for a stellar match; this is the real world where the general populous of us are broke from either the simple things in the real world or the fact that we've already dropped our money on guns and gear and now a walk-on of $150 + $60 fuel + $20 Food + $20 BB's = $250 for one game that I'd rather spend the weekend with a $40 case of beer and just wait for the next one. Airsoft isn't a cheap sport; even a local game $20 walk on + $10 fuel + $20 BB's = $50 a game! And that's if nothing breaks, nothing get's lost, and no one gets into an accident either en route or playing.

Far from, the picton metal hospital is fun cqb field but absolutely Nothing compared to those big military training facilities in the states (I have played on the picton field)

As I recall, the point that precipitated the critical failure was that stunt advertising it on MusiquePlus. In fact, I remember quite a few prominent people and teams who were looking forward to the event and then wanted to quickly dissociate themselves from it after that happened.

Also, IIRC, the price of admission was unusually expensive ($150 or something?)



While that's all mostly true, I think there's another factor at work: it's not just the bottom line cost of attending, but the perceived value-for-your-money.

The past couple of years the Canadian airsoft player base has evolved and diverged considerably due to the influx of cheap guns of varying degrees of quality and clarity. And accordingly, I've noticed a trend by many game organizers trying to please both the low-investment skirmishers (with mismatched camo, little gear or no gear and bargain basement guns) and the more committed milsimmers/airsoft enthusiasts.

Unfortunately, I don't think it's a realistic mix: locations like the radar bunker, the BW3 hospital or even Ft. Drum are fantastic in themselves but that doesn't automatically make for a great event, and many (most?) of the serious players won't drop $100+ for a Counterstike-like skirmish, no matter how great the venue is.

It really comes down to confidence; on one hand, that the organizer will put together a game with good dynamics, rules, etc. and on the other, that the people attending will be up to snuff. People (the serious players, anyway) don't just blindly sign up to events: people look at rosters, people talk and organize.

I know some people will scream "Elitism!," and that people can just go out in whatever makes them happy as long as they have fun and whatnot. Maybe it is elitism, but if you're going to play in a milsim event set yourself up for a milsim event, not a run-and-gun skirmish. And everyone's free to play with whatever they want and have fun, but don't complain if the serious players decide to pass.

You can't please everyone. But if you're going to do a milsim, do a milsim. Everyone in the Ft.Brag vid even had uniform ACU vs. Woodland setups: bunch of people here can't even be bothered getting a proper set of BDUs.

I think Drake makes a few valid points. Most people will immediately site "realism" as one of the initial reasons they got into airsoft... however, when presented with "realism" or let's say more realistic military simulations (following orders, patience in the field, engaging the moment and embracing your role within the scenario) they seem to back away a little and leave the game to the hardcore crowd which is significantly smaller.

Bottom line is, a great location + a great game concept, run well, and players who embody the true spirit of "MilSim" will make for a fun game. It can be 10 players or 300 players, doesn't matter how big the game is.

It might all start with teams and individual players needing to train hard and play hard. Dunno.

However, back on topic... video looked great!! Facility looked awesome. Players looked switched on! You can't help but get into it.