Bizon PP-19?
 

Hey guys. This gun happens to be one of the sexiest sub machine guns that I've ever seen. It looks sort of like an AK too.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/BIZON.JPG


As you can see, it most certainly does look like an AK yet shorter, and with a weird Helical magazine.

The bizon pp-19 model 1, is around 660mm long.
The model 2 is 690mm long. (Both measurements include the stock.)

The Kraken AK47 (and most or all other AK's on the market,) are around 875mm. Obviously too long to be modded into a Bizon PP-19.

According to a website, the Kraken Kurz is 740mm long. Seems a little too long still, but do-able. (Can anyone verify that the Kraken Kurz is that long? Ive tried searching google, and the only website I get tells me its like 29 inches, which is 740mm-ish.)

Doesn't look to hard to modify a Kurz into a PP-19. You know, get rid of the full/solid stock, and get a funky looking one thats like the one on the PP-19. Change the foregrip, etc.

Problem is, the mag. The mag on the PP-19 is a Helical Mag, which I'm not even sure if it exists in airsoft. For this to be a PP-19, it needs a mag that is really similar like the one posted in the picture.

Any ideas? Or does a company already make a Bizon PP-19 Airsoft gun?

If you go through with the mod let me know, im very curious.

Just make sure to get a new mechbox, as I believe the Kurz's is plastic.

Shitty plastic at that.

Is it? Any verification on that?

If thats true, I could wait for the Aftermath Kraken Socom. Its 730mm. (It already has the same stock as the Bizon PP-19. Meaning, all I'd need to mod is the mag and foregrip. Depending on price, ofcourse.)

I've thought about this for awhile, nothing serious though.

The only thing I can remotely think for the mag, would be a P90 mag modded somehow?

P90 mag internals in a PVC pipe with a feeding tube and mounting hardware

as for the gun, shouldn't you start with a AK-74U? Nooblord has it right with the P90 mag thing and the shroud will have to be custom made. the stock and body and grip look like that of a AK-74U. if you are on a budget, get a Kalash one, and then upgrade the internals.

Hunt one of these down.

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=23794

Not quite perfect but as close as you'll get.

$1,999.00 is insane!

If you check out Google, it's been done somehow.


Aaand might want to contact this guy, or atleast take a look:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=62542

Why not use a AKS-74u? Look very similar just with the cylindrical magazine

I've seen this done a few times, but only once successfully (the rest petered out). The p90 mag is a new idea that should work great, if not find a small beta ak mag and see if that is doable to put a cylindical shroud overtop of. As for the gun itself, I've had some with plastic mechboxes and they faired pretty well. However you are in luck as I have a TM ak mechbox shell (Ver. 3 i believe) that I am not using. Full metal and should work perfectly with your kraken parts, PM me if your interested.

Whats the length of the AKS-74U?

I'm mostly doing this modification for looks rather than internals, so I'd rather spend as least money as I can. (Its more for a "Look what I have"/wall hanger. :P Thus why a cheap Kraken or something around that price range would work. )

EDIT: Thats a good idea. I could see if I could get a small lowcap mag, and just put a cylinder tube around it. It'd be the easy way out. :P

I think you should take heed of peoples advice, The information you seek is easily available to you already man.

I dont follow you mitchell. Yes, I know I can spend a good amount of money and get a gun that will last me a long time. And heck, if I get a job before I start making this, then hell yea. I'll do that. Get a Kalash or something. :) (Which, would be a better idea to wait until a job than to start this now and then have a POS gun fall apart on me.)

The poster above my other post "Pounce-The-Jaguar", had a good idea. With the whole "Get a small lowcap and put it inside a PVC pipe" thing.

Seems the AKS-74U is 730mm including stock.

Start with the aksu as said, the kurz is a plastic pos

I mean that advice has been given to the extent that it pretty much can be. Your pretty much in uncharted waters. It's good you found something on your own though ;)