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Oborous · February 17th, 2010, 16:32

My experience is strong elbow in, but for slightly different reasons than posted here.

The elbow in allows you to use bone to 'rest' the weight of the rifle, it's not using muscle to hold the gun up as if you were 'chicken-winging'. The chicken wing (strong elbow out) is what many people find more natural, but it fatigues you. Like mentioned above, somethings are hunting based, some are LE based, and some are Mil based. If you're having to keep your weapon at ready for extended periods of time, then you tire and get sloppy.

The squaring to the target (i.e. squared front plate for maximum armor) or offset starts arguments from what I've seen. Basically it ended up being what would allow you to accurately shoot quickly. You cannot shoot fast enough to afford to miss, but if you're making every shot an "X", then you're not shooting fast enough. Hitting the kill zone with your shots is most important, not placing rounds for a clean IPSC/IDPA/3-gun shoot.

If someone starts ranting about the above, ask them how they shoot pistol. If your TTP is to square up against the target, but you're shooting pistol in a weaver stance, haven't you just comprimised your principles?

Also, how often are you going to be out in the open blazing away at someone? Hopefully you're behind cover or taking a knee. If you're in the open, then you have a buddy behind cover that should be engaging the target while you complete your movement. Complete your movement, then engage. This is important to consider, because if you're squaring up perfectly, are you going to be doing that behind cover? Maybe. Shooting on a square range is not shooting in a dynamic environment.

I'm told waving your gun around (i.e. not moving your head, moving your whole body) was an '80's thing. Moving just your head is much faster and doesn't have something in the foreground (i.e. your rifle) also moving against the background. It's also a great deal more fatiguing.

Part of this is 'what are you actually going to do in SHTF scenarios', try running with your kit, then having someone yell at you while doing some drills. Are you sloppier, you betcha, are you still in the same stance, maybe.

You can overthink this. You're trying to shoot the target and not being shot yourself. Shooting is not going to be clean like on a range, there is going to be rubble on the ground, you're going to be shot at while the bad guy is behind cover, you're going to try and get cover or concealment.

February 17th, 2010, 16:32	#11
Oborous Trader rating Join Date: May 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB	My experience is strong elbow in, but for slightly different reasons than posted here. The elbow in allows you to use bone to 'rest' the weight of the rifle, it's not using muscle to hold the gun up as if you were 'chicken-winging'. The chicken wing (strong elbow out) is what many people find more natural, but it fatigues you. Like mentioned above, somethings are hunting based, some are LE based, and some are Mil based. If you're having to keep your weapon at ready for extended periods of time, then you tire and get sloppy. The squaring to the target (i.e. squared front plate for maximum armor) or offset starts arguments from what I've seen. Basically it ended up being what would allow you to accurately shoot quickly. You cannot shoot fast enough to afford to miss, but if you're making every shot an "X", then you're not shooting fast enough. Hitting the kill zone with your shots is most important, not placing rounds for a clean IPSC/IDPA/3-gun shoot. If someone starts ranting about the above, ask them how they shoot pistol. If your TTP is to square up against the target, but you're shooting pistol in a weaver stance, haven't you just comprimised your principles? Also, how often are you going to be out in the open blazing away at someone? Hopefully you're behind cover or taking a knee. If you're in the open, then you have a buddy behind cover that should be engaging the target while you complete your movement. Complete your movement, then engage. This is important to consider, because if you're squaring up perfectly, are you going to be doing that behind cover? Maybe. Shooting on a square range is not shooting in a dynamic environment. I'm told waving your gun around (i.e. not moving your head, moving your whole body) was an '80's thing. Moving just your head is much faster and doesn't have something in the foreground (i.e. your rifle) also moving against the background. It's also a great deal more fatiguing. Part of this is 'what are you actually going to do in SHTF scenarios', try running with your kit, then having someone yell at you while doing some drills. Are you sloppier, you betcha, are you still in the same stance, maybe. You can overthink this. You're trying to shoot the target and not being shot yourself. Shooting is not going to be clean like on a range, there is going to be rubble on the ground, you're going to be shot at while the bad guy is behind cover, you're going to try and get cover or concealment.