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ThunderCactus · May 11th, 2013, 22:40

Yeah but you missed the two big ones, range and accuracy.

PTW's come stock with high quality barrels, and they're thicker walled which means they stay straighter. You can also get a higher quality barrel for about the same cost as a prometheus barrel.

We haven't seen compelling evidence that R-hops give better range than high quality hop rubbers yet, and the PTW uses a hop chamber similar to an M14, which is the best kind of hop adjuster. Coupled with the tack/mac mod, they shoot ridiculously far and accurately. Also, it IS possible to R-hop a PTW, both on the stock adjuster, and with the new chamber that allows you to use inferior AEG barrels.

The air nozzle on the PTW is really where everything comes together. The lack of a tappet plate reduces friction, vibration, bounce, delay and all the other tappet plate problems. You're guaranteed that the air nozzle is forward AND stopped moving when the piston is released. It's the reason why PTW's are so much more accurate than AEG's during full auto.

Already comes with a mosfet and is ready to use an 11.1v LiPo with stock electronics (that are able to handle up to 16v). But the biggest advantage by far in trigger response is it's 3mm trigger pull. You wouldn't believe how many PTW users get accused of using full auto when they're actually in semi.
There's also a new FCC trigger you can buy to cut down the trigger pull to 1mm, and the pull force down to 12 or 4oz.

ROF, I've seen them go as high as 23RPS, might be able to get a bit more, but they don't have DSGs so you can absolutely get higher ROF on an AEG. But without a shortened trigger pull you'll have a hard time trying to get shots off faster in semi.

Now I used to argue you could build an AEG to perform as well as a PTW too. Well, you can build an AEG to perform as good as or better than a stock PTW. But you'll have a damned hard time trying to get it to perform better than a hop-modded PTW.
Even then every component you buy for your AEG, the AEG body itself, needs to be top quality and extremely accurate. And you need to have a crack gunsmith put it all together, and pull out every trick in the book to stabilize and shim everything.

If we're debating cost of upgrading the guns to be perfect, costs $275 to upgrade a PTW to be amazing, that's a hop and motor mod. You don't actually need new electronics, I bought an FCC mosfet to have a shorter board so I could put a LiPo in the buffer tube, still using the systema optics board which is an '08.
Costs over $800 and a REALLY good gunsmith to make an AEG shoot as well and RELIABLY as a PTW. Assuming there are no defects in the AEG body, quirks in the mechbox, hop chamber issues, etc.

The only other gun that performs on par with or better than a PTW is a bolt action rifle, and like I said, it even gave my VSR-10 a run for it's money.

May 11th, 2013, 22:40	#14
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	Yeah but you missed the two big ones, range and accuracy. PTW's come stock with high quality barrels, and they're thicker walled which means they stay straighter. You can also get a higher quality barrel for about the same cost as a prometheus barrel. We haven't seen compelling evidence that R-hops give better range than high quality hop rubbers yet, and the PTW uses a hop chamber similar to an M14, which is the best kind of hop adjuster. Coupled with the tack/mac mod, they shoot ridiculously far and accurately. Also, it IS possible to R-hop a PTW, both on the stock adjuster, and with the new chamber that allows you to use inferior AEG barrels. The air nozzle on the PTW is really where everything comes together. The lack of a tappet plate reduces friction, vibration, bounce, delay and all the other tappet plate problems. You're guaranteed that the air nozzle is forward AND stopped moving when the piston is released. It's the reason why PTW's are so much more accurate than AEG's during full auto. Already comes with a mosfet and is ready to use an 11.1v LiPo with stock electronics (that are able to handle up to 16v). But the biggest advantage by far in trigger response is it's 3mm trigger pull. You wouldn't believe how many PTW users get accused of using full auto when they're actually in semi. There's also a new FCC trigger you can buy to cut down the trigger pull to 1mm, and the pull force down to 12 or 4oz. ROF, I've seen them go as high as 23RPS, might be able to get a bit more, but they don't have DSGs so you can absolutely get higher ROF on an AEG. But without a shortened trigger pull you'll have a hard time trying to get shots off faster in semi. Now I used to argue you could build an AEG to perform as well as a PTW too. Well, you can build an AEG to perform as good as or better than a stock PTW. But you'll have a damned hard time trying to get it to perform better than a hop-modded PTW. Even then every component you buy for your AEG, the AEG body itself, needs to be top quality and extremely accurate. And you need to have a crack gunsmith put it all together, and pull out every trick in the book to stabilize and shim everything. If we're debating cost of upgrading the guns to be perfect, costs $275 to upgrade a PTW to be amazing, that's a hop and motor mod. You don't actually need new electronics, I bought an FCC mosfet to have a shorter board so I could put a LiPo in the buffer tube, still using the systema optics board which is an '08. Costs over $800 and a REALLY good gunsmith to make an AEG shoot as well and RELIABLY as a PTW. Assuming there are no defects in the AEG body, quirks in the mechbox, hop chamber issues, etc. The only other gun that performs on par with or better than a PTW is a bolt action rifle, and like I said, it even gave my VSR-10 a run for it's money.