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Originally Posted by Thenooblord
unfortuneately for G&P/WA and everything built on the platform, the design is old, archaic and overly complicated with several serious missteps in crucial design features that WE easily overshadows by simply being designed better, even if the pot metal WE uses is still crap, id take an upgraded steel WE over ANY of the ridiculously expensive super custom WA pattern M4s
as an example of what im talking about, the flat face to face mag to nozzle interface that rakes across and tears itself apart slowly with each shot, or the valve locking system being in the mag so every mag with different tolerances has a different valve dwell time
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The WA platform has a proven track record. If the WA system was designed poorly then Vipertech, Innokatsu, G&P, GHK would not be using their system today. WE is not designed any better to be quite honest. Using crap materials and choosing the "cheapest" design method to make a GBB isn't of my interest.
There is a reason why WE copies companies like TM instead of innovating their own designs. Their "own" designs have only resulted in lemons that need constant revisions of parts to get it finally working.
The flat face magazine to nozzle design is a VERY good design. Not only does WA systems utilize it but also VFC. If the nozzle is designed properly with rounded edges it won't cut up the rubber even the rubber is swollen.
Any how, I am not going to debate about this any longer. There are endless threads on multiple forums on which is the "best brand".
The best functioning and affordable M4 right now is the WA-based GHK M4.
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Originally Posted by Zack The Ripper
Aftermarket parts are actually usually what cause many of the performance issues in WE rifles aside from hop issues. That's the fault of the manufacturers of said aftermarket parts, not the fault of WE. Most classic example is people putting RA Tech trigger assemblies in WE trigger boxes, or even full RA Tech trigger boxes, and having nothing but problems. Or, using RA Tech carriers and/or nozzles and having cycling issues (been there myself). Funny how switching back to the stock bolt group made it function flawlessly. Again, this goes back to Non-WE parts not being 100% spec'd to WE. Fitment and alignment issues lead to performance issues.
WE parts are stupidly inexpensive and really, the only thing people really worry about breaking in a WE rifle is a nozzle. Considering I have seen a ton of aluminum nozzles break (including mine personally), I'd rather pay $20-25 for a plastic replacement than $90-100 for an aluminum one. Not to mention the fact that aluminum nozzles tend to have even worse consistency than plastic nozzles in terms of gas efficiency and muzzle velocity.
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If the gun was designed properly and not a lemon, there would be no problems with the nozzle. The nozzle should last quite a long time if the gun is well maintained and properly handled with the right lubricants. WA parts are not expensive as there are plastic replacements (quite affordable actually), not only aluminium.
I haven't had a nozzle fail on me before, I actually have many nozzles that I switch around for the sake of FPS change. Neither of them have been ever damaged to the point where I needed to replace them. Sure an O-ring might fail due to over lubrication, but that is a very cheap fix.
RA-Tech stuff is just trash, and the only reason why RA-Tech is still alive on the market is because WE guns are made with the lowest grade materials.
On a last note, I just want to say. I do not "HATE" WE. I respect WE for producing some rare and affordable pistols.
WE has really made it as a budget company, kinda like Honda. Its affordable by the masses and relatively cheap to replace or fix.