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I use these pants and I love them!!! I have played for over a season here in British Columbia with these pants and they held up great to the rock abrasions and wear and tear of everyday gaming. The knee pads work fine they are only maybe 1/2 inch thick but serve the purpose. They are in no means as protective as a full knee pad. I am a 5.11 dealer as well and have not had one bad comment from any customers on these pants. Give a pair a try I am sure you will be pleased.
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