Which gun should i get?

[Flavoie]

Hello everyone,

I was simply wondering which gun would be better to buy in terms of the internal and external quality of these guns.

http://www.torontoairsoft.com/Veloci...re_p_3814.html


--) Velocity Arms M4 4" TX CQB /w 200mm Silencer Power Up - Made by DeepFire (Custom made for Canada - Rare)

Or

http://www.uppercanadatactical.com/C...sion_p_73.html


--) Classic army M15A4 Full metal carbine - Spartan Version

I've heard many good reviews on Classic Army; great internals and externals although I've also heard that Deepfire are one of the best in terms of internal quality.

Thanks in advance,

[pestobanana]

If it has to be between those two a deep fire is better. Saving for a VFC is highly recommended.

[chaz]

I hope that 2016 brings an end to these threads. ugh

[localfreerider]

could we have an F.A.Q. sticky covering this subject and then make every new member read it and agree not to ask about it again? As for which one I would choose, I concur with pesto Deep fire internals look much better quality.

[Brengun]

Well... I get it. Some people have been around, and have seen these questions come up a lot. On the other hand, here is someone that may be new to the sport/hobby, and who is actively seeking advice from the people that have been around.

Online reviews are usually biased. It's like reading a TripAdvisor review... you have to read a fuckton of them, and then make up your own mind. And technology changes. What good is a FAQ from 12 or 18 months ago?

Or... you could ask someone that may have a lot of first-hand knowledge and experience. I know that, 2 years ago when I started into Airsoft, I felt intimidated to ask the exact same question.

If these questions are so bothersome, I would suggest just ignoring them. But if you feel like maybe encouraging someone new, then take 30 seconds and answer the question (which, at least, you did).

Originally Posted by localfreerider

could we have an F.A.Q. sticky covering this subject and then make every new member read it and agree not to ask about it again? As for which one I would choose, I concur with pesto Deep fire internals look much better quality.

[Kozzie]

Hey look, another thread where we complain about new guys asking new guy questions. No wonder the trend is to abandon this forum for Facebook. I hope 2016 brings an end to the whining.

[pestobanana]

The problem with stickied posts is most of them are extremely out of date and should be deleted. Stuff that says TM and CA AEGs are good, the import thread, prices in the classifieds... Those stickies should really be cleaned up or taken down. The Deep Fire guns are also fairly new on the market in Canada.

[hollywood...]

Originally Posted by Brengun

Or... you could ask someone that may have a lot of first-hand knowledge and experience. I know that, 2 years ago when I started into Airsoft, I felt intimidated to ask the exact same question.

^---- this

People need to stop flaming noobs for asking a simple question and maybe, just maybe people will come back to this site as opposed to the ASC FB page.

Technology and product are constantly changing and if you are new to the game, advice from a vet might be well worth taking the time to ask.

I would rather steer someone in the right direction and help the person potentially not waste money than flame someone.

Like Pesto said, save up for a VFC or a KWA
(the bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten)

[lurkingknight]

not everyone reads the stickies... there are some that will still demand their entitlements be spoonfed to them on a silver spoon.


however, this thread is doing a specific comparison between 2 models, not just a "I don't know what to get" thread. So this guy already has a budget and 2 models in mind, which is far more than what some noobs out there do before getting to the point of asking a very open what to buy thread.

honestly, my choice would be neither if budget is a concern. I'd go lower end to save money just to get playing, there is not as much difference between low end vs mid level guns except maybe 100-150$ difference. My argument is that you could spend that difference on some good upgrades like air seal and sorbo on a lesser gun and end up with a better shooter than the mid level gun. The quality difference of parts out of the box is not very noteworthy. From my point of view I'd be gutting both a 200$ gun and a 400$ gun.

[Curo]

also bear in mind cause a retailer says its rare doesnt mean its actually rare.

And if its rare on the field its either crappy and no one uses it, or its actually rare (like WA magna rare or marushin rare)

[BioRage]

Originally Posted by pestobanana

The problem with stickied posts is most of them are extremely out of date and should be deleted.

But bro I wanna know about old school guns.. Mp7 aep and wa gbbrs!

[Handsonic]

Since people would rather talk about whether or not we should help the new guy, I'll help the new guy.

Keep away from Classic Army guns, they will break very quickly. VA is meh, keep away from that gun too. For a beginner, I HIGHLY recommend a G&G M4 or Ares Amoeba series gun. They are both great for their price points and will allow you to figure out what style of play suits you best

[Cliffradical]

IMHO, buy a plain-jane M4 if an AR is what you want, learn to use it as it is, then add cool bits as you need them. Save up a bit more money and buy a better base gun, like a VFC as others have suggested.

The reason for this is that as you play the game more, you may 'outgrow' one of the guns you posted, or encounter parts failures, and then it's toast. Something like a VFC will hold up better overall, and accept more/ better internals, upgrades, and accessories as you want/ need them.

90% of the stuff that gets pasted onto an AR is fluff and flair, and confers no actual benefit to the user except where the user already has some familiarity with the platform and knows exactly what function the part serves, when, and why.
I see lots of very competent players who suddenly become clueless when handed a stock AR, or one that isn't configured exactly like their own.
Stuff like suppressors are especially bad for this, because they literally serve no function other than to make a carbine as long as a rifle, and/ or hide an extended inner barrel.

Fun time pretty stuff money is always better spent on going up a tier with the base gun. Buying one with a rail kit is probably a good idea, but by the time you'll be putting fancy crap all over your AR, you might want a fancy rail kit that you special order or whatever anyway.




Edit: As for the eternal ASC dramalama bing-bong, maybe just stay out of the weekly "Make up my mind" threads if you think they're annoying. Some of us like coddling newbies if we have the time, and especially where the stickies are as obselete as a Sten Mk II, somebody's got to do it. The whole "Fuk u, lurk moar" culture died the day social media opened the flood gates.

If ASC is going to stay relevant at all it's got to brand itself as a bastion of quality information that is also accessible. If someone jumps in with something truly retarded, fine, fuck'em. Taking the time to register, float around, and ask a question is so far above the bar for people's attention spans these days it pretty much deserves to be rewarded.

[Slodin]

man, idk, i won't choose any of those 2...
DF i barely heard about them, CA is sorta EHHHHH...

Comparing to CA I would rather go for a KA. The internal seem really nice to me (im not a gun doc or anything, but it seems pretty good)
DF SOUNDS great if you play both CQB and outdoors..but how the internals are is remain unknown unless you can find someone that have it and opened it.

IF you are short on cash, I'd rather get a brand people know...or even just a G&G LOL

EDIT: Since M4 mags are pretty much universal (ofc not exactly), switching to a another M4 usually works out. So buy good mags...

[Cliffradical]

I haven't opened a new KA in years, but they definitely used to be 'Highly Acceptable'.
Pretty nice bodies and fitment, bad trigger harnesses, pretty underwhelming compression system, but definitely a good starting point.

I'm still using one that got gutted and rebuilt. I'll probably be using it for years to come. Unless they really shit the bed in the last 3-4 years, I'd call them a solid middle-of-the-road. Run it till it dies, then upgrade kind of thing.