WE 4.1 Hi-Capa Problem!

Freeze · December 17th, 2011, 21:51

For some reason, my GBB has a ton of problems and I suspect they all have something to do with the slide.

1: Gas is expelled like there is no tomorrow. The first three shots expel a ton of gas, and then the next shots have next to no gas expelled.

2: Slide doesn't cycle completely when firing.

3: When mag is empty, it still shoots and cycles, but the cycles go like halfway and don't reach the catch, and therefore the cycling isn't stopped.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated -.-"

EDIT: Also, I just lubricated it, so I don't think its that thats a problem.

HKGhost · December 17th, 2011, 22:00

Nozzle may have cracked. Very common problem in WE hi-capas.

Freeze · December 17th, 2011, 22:08

Thnx for the input! I'm looking into it now.

This gun has been fired a total of 4 mags x 30, so 120 times.
I kinda expect a gun to last at least 400-500 rounds on original parts. -.-"

I just did a quick google search on an upgraded nozzle and can't seem to find any. Could you point me in the right direction? Or is it non-existent?

ILLusion · December 17th, 2011, 22:12

100% agreed. Sounds like a cracked nozzle. Upgraded aftermarket nozzles that fit Marui will fit WE as well.

Take it apart and check the nozzle for cracks.

I just received a bunch in stock. Message me if you want one, and I'll send you details. Haven't had a chance to post them up in my sales thread yet.

Freeze · December 17th, 2011, 22:44

You have been PMed, ILLusion.

Also, I can't seem to take the damn assembly apart without using a method that seems like it would break it. Argh. No amount of googling will do me any good and I have given up for now. Because I am sleepy and tired.

ILLusion · December 17th, 2011, 22:58

The assembly should just drop right out after you've removed the screw from the back of the slide, and the top of the rear sight. Confirm it's cracked before we look in to buying a nozzle.

The other potential cause of the problem is a non functioning floating valve, but the design is generally very reliable. Chance of failure is very low, but you can check that at the same time you check the nozzle. If you see no crack on the nozzle, then you can go deeper to check the floating valve.

Freeze · December 18th, 2011, 00:18

Oh thats how! Thnx!

The nozzle has no apparent cracks.

I think I'm just going to send this back to the place that I got it from because they said that there was a 3 month warrenty for GBBs.

Thnx for all the help and I think that now I have a general idea of where the problem is to be found.

I also forgot to mention in the openeing post: After I expelled all of the gas and refilled it, it would barely fill for about 3 seconds before gas started to leak. Is that a problem?

ILLusion · December 18th, 2011, 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freeze

I also forgot to mention in the openeing post: After I expelled all of the gas and refilled it, it would barely fill for about 3 seconds before gas started to leak. Is that a problem?

Yep. That's a problem. It's also probably because it's a WE... but that's for another post...

Freeze · December 18th, 2011, 08:53

So are you saying that my mag is a lemon and that I should get it replaced? Or is it easily fixable?

ILLusion · December 18th, 2011, 11:32

Check one of the few mag sealing guides on this forum. It's a common problem with WE magazines.

Search for "gasket" in the Doctor's corner - look for a thread made by "z0ng", and another made by "coachster"

Freeze · December 18th, 2011, 14:38

Ah, thnx, I'm going to attempt a remedy now.

EDIT: On second thought, I'm going to let the peeps who I bought it from look at the whole gun and the mag first so that I don't end up accidentally "fixing" the wrong problem.

EDIT 2: Upon further diagnostics, it cycles fine and locks up fine when the mag is empty, but normal cycling and locking only happens sometimes. Other times, the stuff that I mentioned above happens...

Freeze · December 19th, 2011, 19:39

I just thought of something that I didn't think of before.

If the mag is too cold...does that cause a problem? Because after firing off 30 shots, the mag feels just about frozen and then the gun itself starts to get cold. Around the second time I use the mag, it starts to screw up...

ILLusion · December 19th, 2011, 21:27

This is typical of cooldown effect.

Looks like we'd overlooked it. This is content for GBB 101.

Freeze · December 19th, 2011, 21:55

Wait, so it's SUPPOSED to happen?

OMFG -.-

ILLusion · December 19th, 2011, 22:06

Some guns/setups and propellent types will suffer from it more than others. Firing in rapid succession does not help.

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December 17th, 2011, 21:51	#1
Freeze Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mississauga	WE 4.1 Hi-Capa Problem! For some reason, my GBB has a ton of problems and I suspect they all have something to do with the slide. 1: Gas is expelled like there is no tomorrow. The first three shots expel a ton of gas, and then the next shots have next to no gas expelled. 2: Slide doesn't cycle completely when firing. 3: When mag is empty, it still shoots and cycles, but the cycles go like halfway and don't reach the catch, and therefore the cycling isn't stopped. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated -.-" EDIT: Also, I just lubricated it, so I don't think its that thats a problem. __________________ VFC HK416C Crushed Orchid - VFC SR16 BCM ZTW TM G17 Loki Tactical Pink - TM G19 TTI Combat Master Last edited by Freeze; December 17th, 2011 at 21:53..

December 17th, 2011, 22:00	#2
HKGhost Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Mississauga, ON	Nozzle may have cracked. Very common problem in WE hi-capas. __________________ Please email me as I'm not on ASC too often. Custom Build \| Upgrades \| Repairs \| Maintenance Contact: ghostgunwork@gmail.com / Private Message

December 17th, 2011, 22:08	#3
Freeze Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mississauga	Thnx for the input! I'm looking into it now. This gun has been fired a total of 4 mags x 30, so 120 times. I kinda expect a gun to last at least 400-500 rounds on original parts. -.-" I just did a quick google search on an upgraded nozzle and can't seem to find any. Could you point me in the right direction? Or is it non-existent? __________________ VFC HK416C Crushed Orchid - VFC SR16 BCM ZTW TM G17 Loki Tactical Pink - TM G19 TTI Combat Master

December 17th, 2011, 22:12	#4
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	100% agreed. Sounds like a cracked nozzle. Upgraded aftermarket nozzles that fit Marui will fit WE as well. Take it apart and check the nozzle for cracks. I just received a bunch in stock. Message me if you want one, and I'll send you details. Haven't had a chance to post them up in my sales thread yet. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

December 17th, 2011, 22:44	#5
Freeze Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mississauga	You have been PMed, ILLusion. Also, I can't seem to take the damn assembly apart without using a method that seems like it would break it. Argh. No amount of googling will do me any good and I have given up for now. Because I am sleepy and tired. __________________ VFC HK416C Crushed Orchid - VFC SR16 BCM ZTW TM G17 Loki Tactical Pink - TM G19 TTI Combat Master

December 17th, 2011, 22:58	#6
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	The assembly should just drop right out after you've removed the screw from the back of the slide, and the top of the rear sight. Confirm it's cracked before we look in to buying a nozzle. The other potential cause of the problem is a non functioning floating valve, but the design is generally very reliable. Chance of failure is very low, but you can check that at the same time you check the nozzle. If you see no crack on the nozzle, then you can go deeper to check the floating valve. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed Last edited by ILLusion; December 17th, 2011 at 23:00..

December 18th, 2011, 00:18	#7
Freeze Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mississauga	Oh thats how! Thnx! The nozzle has no apparent cracks. I think I'm just going to send this back to the place that I got it from because they said that there was a 3 month warrenty for GBBs. Thnx for all the help and I think that now I have a general idea of where the problem is to be found. I also forgot to mention in the openeing post: After I expelled all of the gas and refilled it, it would barely fill for about 3 seconds before gas started to leak. Is that a problem? __________________ VFC HK416C Crushed Orchid - VFC SR16 BCM ZTW TM G17 Loki Tactical Pink - TM G19 TTI Combat Master

December 18th, 2011, 08:53	#9
Freeze Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mississauga	So are you saying that my mag is a lemon and that I should get it replaced? Or is it easily fixable? __________________ VFC HK416C Crushed Orchid - VFC SR16 BCM ZTW TM G17 Loki Tactical Pink - TM G19 TTI Combat Master

December 18th, 2011, 11:32	#10
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Check one of the few mag sealing guides on this forum. It's a common problem with WE magazines. Search for "gasket" in the Doctor's corner - look for a thread made by "z0ng", and another made by "coachster" __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

December 18th, 2011, 14:38	#11
Freeze Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mississauga	Ah, thnx, I'm going to attempt a remedy now. EDIT: On second thought, I'm going to let the peeps who I bought it from look at the whole gun and the mag first so that I don't end up accidentally "fixing" the wrong problem. EDIT 2: Upon further diagnostics, it cycles fine and locks up fine when the mag is empty, but normal cycling and locking only happens sometimes. Other times, the stuff that I mentioned above happens... __________________ VFC HK416C Crushed Orchid - VFC SR16 BCM ZTW TM G17 Loki Tactical Pink - TM G19 TTI Combat Master Last edited by Freeze; December 18th, 2011 at 15:02..

December 19th, 2011, 19:39	#12
Freeze Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mississauga	I just thought of something that I didn't think of before. If the mag is too cold...does that cause a problem? Because after firing off 30 shots, the mag feels just about frozen and then the gun itself starts to get cold. Around the second time I use the mag, it starts to screw up... __________________ VFC HK416C Crushed Orchid - VFC SR16 BCM ZTW TM G17 Loki Tactical Pink - TM G19 TTI Combat Master

December 19th, 2011, 21:27	#13
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	This is typical of cooldown effect. Looks like we'd overlooked it. This is content for GBB 101. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

December 19th, 2011, 21:55	#14
Freeze Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mississauga	Wait, so it's SUPPOSED to happen? OMFG -.- __________________ VFC HK416C Crushed Orchid - VFC SR16 BCM ZTW TM G17 Loki Tactical Pink - TM G19 TTI Combat Master

December 19th, 2011, 22:06	#15
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Some guns/setups and propellent types will suffer from it more than others. Firing in rapid succession does not help. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

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